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tigertim said:
I read the report you linked to. It says that within two days of the deaths the police had ruled out "foul play by outside persons". This is despite the fact toxicology and gun shot reports hadn't been completed. Not only that but the police found "no reason for the murder-suicide".
The issue is obviously the discrepancies uncovered by investigative journalist Wayne Madsen detailed in the story I linked to which you apparently read. Taken at face value these claims throw huge suspicion onto these events. Any objective judge can see that. This has nothing to do with being desperate. All it is is letting the evidence speak for itself.
You guys invariable write these things off as conspiracy madness. Why? Why do you always have to reach for the high intellectual ground when other seemingly genuine people have far more knowledge of the events than you? Are you so closed minded that you can't even give research such as Madsen's the time of day before writing it off?
antman said:
Surely even you can see how assinine tim's comments were ant.
Wayne Madsen Biography:
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written for The Village Voice, The Progressive, Counterpunch, Online Journal, CorpWatch, Multinational Monitor, News Insider, In These Times, and The American Conservative. His columns have appeared in The Miami Herald, Houston Chronicle, Philadelphia Inquirer, Columbus Dispatch, Sacramento Bee, and Atlanta Journal-Constitution, among others.
Madsen is the author of The Handbook of Personal Data Protection (London: Macmillan, 1992), an acclaimed reference book on international data protection law; Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999 (Edwin Mellen Press, 1999); co-author of America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II (Dandelion, 2003); author of Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates; Overthrow a Fascist Regime on $15 a Day; and The Manufacturing of a President: the CIA's Insertion of Barack H. Obama, Jr. into the White House.
Madsen has been a regular contributor on RT and PressTV. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testify as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government.
Madsen has some twenty years experience in security issues. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen was a Senior Fellow for the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a privacy public advocacy organization.
Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) and the National Press Club.
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written for The Village Voice, The Progressive, Counterpunch, Online Journal, CorpWatch, Multinational Monitor, News Insider, In These Times, and The American Conservative. His columns have appeared in The Miami Herald, Houston Chronicle, Philadelphia Inquirer, Columbus Dispatch, Sacramento Bee, and Atlanta Journal-Constitution, among others.
Madsen is the author of The Handbook of Personal Data Protection (London: Macmillan, 1992), an acclaimed reference book on international data protection law; Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999 (Edwin Mellen Press, 1999); co-author of America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II (Dandelion, 2003); author of Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates; Overthrow a Fascist Regime on $15 a Day; and The Manufacturing of a President: the CIA's Insertion of Barack H. Obama, Jr. into the White House.
Madsen has been a regular contributor on RT and PressTV. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testify as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government.
Madsen has some twenty years experience in security issues. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen was a Senior Fellow for the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a privacy public advocacy organization.
Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) and the National Press Club.
So without reading a word of it you're prepared to write it off as another crazy conspiracy Baloo?
Yeah sorry tim. Querying what the article I originally posted had to do with 9/11 was pretty foolish though. Dragging it out as you did just compounded that.
tigertim said:
Yeah sorry tim. Querying what the article I originally posted had to do with 9/11 was pretty foolish though. Dragging it out as you did just compounded that.
Foolish according to you only.Disco08 said:
I was "dragging it out" by giving you a chance to clarify what you were implying by posting it. Which you still haven't done!
You're quick to be insulted and just as quick to insult others. Odd.
Thats a laugh. But you're not quick to highlight the "conspiracy"?Disco08 said:
The only people who find this odd are truthers. The police haven't and they're the "professionals" doing their job. Unless they are part of the conspiracy?
You don't find the assertion that "All of Marshall’s neighbors believe it was a professional murder, not the murder-suicide claimed by local police" odd? You'd prefer to just write it off because it clashes with the official report. Do you always swallow every official report without question?
Presumably? Some hard hitting investigative work right there.
Given Madsen's other publications, and his obvious 9/11 agenda - as well as the 9/11 agenda of Veterans today, I don't find him a particularly trustworthy witness.
Just another conspiracy shyster looking to make a quick buck from other people's tragedies.
And do you alwaysfeel the need to have the opposite opinion to show how much smarter you are? How you can't be fooled? How you can see thorugh the conspiracy?Disco08 said:
I read the police media release that this guy has domestic violence charges against him. Also that his daughter posted how she wanted to throw the cat at him and clearly didn't like him. And worse of all...he was a truther. Nuff said.
Just goes to show your arrogance that you think from comments made from truthers and neighbours that weren't involved over-ride the impartial authorities.
I asked what YOU were implying by posting it. I was trying to give you a chance to explain yourself, just to clarify that you also believed what the article was implying. You didn't have to be Einstein to see that either.Disco08 said:
That's why you queried what the article had to do with 9/11? How odd.
Where there's evidence - such as in this instance - it needs to be verified. Three people are dead and neighbours apparently didn't hear gunshots, saw the crime scene being illegally cleaned and believe the deaths were the work of professional killers. Perhaps these things can be explained but why did the police close the case after 2 days when they hadn't established motive, had no suicide note and hadn't seen toxicology or gun shot residue reports? Surely this evidence is as crucial in this case as it is in every other case.
How is it even remotely arrogant to want all the evidence properly examined - as opposed to dismissing multiple sources just because they don't confirm the official report?
Do you consider the fact that people may have an agenda because they've seen enough evidence to be convinced there's a cover up going on? Why always write anyone with a "9/11 agenda" off as a shyster?
Madsen's resume is otherwise impressive enough isn't it? Why would you immediately assume that every single truther isn't worth listening to?
tigertim said:
Where there's evidence - such as in this instance - it needs to be verified. Three people are dead and neighbours apparently didn't hear gunshots, saw the crime scene being illegally cleaned and believe the deaths were the work of professional killers. Perhaps these things can be explained but why did the police close the case after 2 days when they hadn't established motive, had no suicide note and hadn't seen toxicology or gun shot residue reports? Surely this evidence is as crucial in this case as it is in every other case.
How is it even remotely arrogant to want all the evidence properly examined - as opposed to dismissing multiple sources just because they don't confirm the official report?
antman said:
Do you consider the fact that people may have an agenda because they've seen enough evidence to be convinced there's a cover up going on? Why always write anyone with a "9/11 agenda" off as a shyster?
Madsen's resume is otherwise impressive enough isn't it? Why would you immediately assume that every single truther isn't worth listening to?
who said the evidence wasnt properly examined?Disco08 said:
All through this thread you,ve talked about listening to experts. The police have spoken but you decide their opinion is tainted. But hey, lets listen to Wayne Madsen shall we?
How could it have been properly examined if they didn't even wait for the toxicology and GSR reports?
Heh. No surprise here that you can't see the difference between my saying you insulted me and me actually being insulted by it. No offense but I have nowhere near enough respect for you to ever be insulted by anything you could say here tim.
So you're going to read it?
tigertim said:
Heh. No surprise here that you can't see the difference between my saying you insulted me and me actually being insulted by it. No offense but I have nowhere near enough respect for you to ever be insulted by anything you could say here tim.
Baloo said:
So you're going to read it?
