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2024 Draft Thread

Let's say we do end up just rolling with 1 and 6 and Norf flipped 2 to someone other than us.

Who's the better combo: Donut Guts and Smillie or FOS and Smillie ?
 
Travaglia seems to have the necessary competiveness you want when building a list to win a Premiership, also seems a good athlete and smart aggressive footballer , however my querie on him is he a good enough disposer of the ball for that classic modern day half back I.e Suns superstar Rioli D ?

I don’t have the ego of some so feel free to tell me I’m wrong , however if this draft is as good as media are talking it up I expect a player like Travaglia to be a pick in the 20s not talked about from 7-12 , so many after the first couple seem to have obvious deficiencies, of course all players do , however so many seem to lack foot skills or competitiveness or consistency or pace or endurance, as long as we get 7 of the best 10 it’ll be ok 😉
If you’re wanting someone who is good at most things then Xavier Lindsay ticks the most boxes. Accumulates, Is okay overhead , tackles, has pace and is one of the best kicks I’ve seen. Appears to have a good footy IQ also. Seems the least likely bust.
 
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From what I've seen he's not elite at ball winning, he's more the next rung in the chain where he can then use his kicking. Thing the Bont receiving from Libba.

The Bont is possibly the best player in the comp so sets a high standard and kind of backs up what you say. You are either 1 of the best players in the comp or you struggle.

Its why I've been so iffy on him, sure his ceiling is very high, but he also has high bust potential, if he can't generate elite endurance like the Bont has.
Here's a list of the successful 190cm players over the past 10 years

Contested Specialists - Cripps, Fyfe, Josh Kennedy, Tom Green
Elite Kicks - Mundy, Yeo
Elite Agility - Pendlebury, Macrae
Elite Goal Kicking Mids - Marcus Bontempelli

Where does Smillie fit? Does he slide alongside Mundy & Yeo? Is his kicking in that class?

Or can you develop his inside game to the level of the contested specialists?

Smillie's stats very closely aligned to Will Brodie, low 20s production, Brodie never lifted those numbers to elite levels and bar one season has found himself on the outer. Smillie also has limited overhead ability, that's another issue to consider.

If there's a chance Smillie could be pushed back into defence then maybe he becomes a unique prospect like Daniel Talia, a longshot but it is possible.
 
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GWS 15 and F2 for F1 doesn't sound right to me from Norf's perspective.

And that's why I say again they have limited options outside of us - unless they do a complicated 3 or 4 way deal.
Who knows ? What we do know is that it appears splitting pick 2 is not as enticing as it would normally be given the perceived strength of the picks this year and North will be the one paying the premium.
 
There is another possibility which is north will deal their F1 and keep pick 2.
For instance would GWS swap pick 15 and say their F2 for north’s F1?
They could offer us their F1 for our pick 11 ( which I probably wouldn’t take)
Yeah, I covered that Sin.
 
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Here's a list of the successful 190cm over the past 10 years

Contested Specialists - Cripps, Fyfe, Josh Kennedy, Tom Green
Elite Kicks - Mundy, Yeo
Elite Agility - Pendlebury, Macrae
Elite Goal Kicking Mids - Marcus Bontempelli

Where does Smillie fit? Does he slide alongside Mundy & Yeo? Is his kicking in that class?

Or can you develop his inside game to the level of the contested specialists?

Smillie's stats very closely aligned to Will Brodie, low 20s production, Brodie never lifted those numbers to elite levels and bar one season has found himself on the outer. Smillie also has limited overhead ability, that's another issue to consider.

If there's a chance Smillie could be pushed back into defence then maybe he becomes a unique prospect like Daniel Talia, a longshot but it is possible.
Shaun Grigg, Jack Crisp.
 
Shaun Grigg, Jack Crisp.
I like the lateral thinking but these guys are gut runners, the big knock I keep hearing is his inability to run out games. His time trial looks sound but that's not the impression I'm getting reading through some of the comments.
 
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We'll know when Twomey does his phantom Monday night.

Yes it's a tougher draft this year, but history says he gets the vast majority of the top 10 correct.

If he locks Smillie in at 6 then, he's very short odds to be called out 6 draft night.

Twomey does indeed have good intel, but this year will be his toughest.

With 6 first rounders, we will have shown intetest in all of em.

His last rankings had every player in the top 20 'in richmonds sights'

With the form Blairs in , I still reckon we could take Jagga at 1
 
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Who knows ? What we do know is that it appears splitting pick 2 is not as enticing as it would normally be given the perceived strength of the picks this year and North will be the one paying the premium.
That's why I said they can eat an entire *smile* sandwich or they can have a couple of bites.
 
Here's a list of the successful 190cm players over the past 10 years

Contested Specialists - Cripps, Fyfe, Josh Kennedy, Tom Green
Elite Kicks - Mundy, Yeo
Elite Agility - Pendlebury, Macrae
Elite Goal Kicking Mids - Marcus Bontempelli

Where does Smillie fit? Does he slide alongside Mundy & Yeo? Is his kicking in that class?

Or can you develop his inside game to the level of the contested specialists?

Smillie's stats very closely aligned to Will Brodie, low 20s production, Brodie never lifted those numbers to elite levels and bar one season has found himself on the outer. Smillie also has limited overhead ability, that's another issue to consider.

If there's a chance Smillie could be pushed back into defence then maybe he becomes a unique prospect like Daniel Talia, a longshot but it is possible.
Connor Nash , 197 cm
 
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If you’re wanting someone who is good at most things then Xavier Lindsay ticks the most boxes. Accumulates, Is okay overhead , tackles, has pace and is one of the best kicks I’ve seen. Appears to have a good footy IQ also. Seems the least likely bust.
Agreed and is a player I would take at 10 if still onboard.
 
That's why I said they can eat an entire *smile* sandwich or they can have a couple of bites.
In the end however there is no point in them paying the premium and not getting what they want.

That's why I think it is more likely they pay a big premium in off loading their F1 and keeping pick 2 than splitting, unless we include 6 which we appear not inclined to do
 
Connor Nash , 197 cm
Nash is an interesting one, probably the output you could expect from Smillie, averaged 18 disposals this year & 23 last year. Very little scoreboard influence, I think Smillie will do better where that's concerned.
 
Here's a list of the successful 190cm players over the past 10 years

Contested Specialists - Cripps, Fyfe, Josh Kennedy, Tom Green
Elite Kicks - Mundy, Yeo
Elite Agility - Pendlebury, Macrae
Elite Goal Kicking Mids - Marcus Bontempelli

Where does Smillie fit? Does he slide alongside Mundy & Yeo? Is his kicking in that class?

Or can you develop his inside game to the level of the contested specialists?

Smillie's stats very closely aligned to Will Brodie, low 20s production, Brodie never lifted those numbers to elite levels and bar one season has found himself on the outer. Smillie also has limited overhead ability, that's another issue to consider.

If there's a chance Smillie could be pushed back into defence then maybe he becomes a unique prospect like Daniel Talia, a longshot but it is possible.

It's interesting to look through. Grant Birchill was tall as well. But is there a reason so many focus on Smillie's height instead of his weight, shoe size, hairstyle, etc?
 
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Nash is an interesting one, probably the output you could expect from Smillie, averaged 18 disposals this year & 23 last year. Very little scoreboard influence, I think Smillie will do better where that's concerned.
yeah Nash is not an A grader but he is a good B grader. The only reason I mentioned him is that he is probably the biggest mid in the game now.
 
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Is there a reason so many keep focusing on Smillie's height instead of his weight, shoe size, hairstyle, etc?
I doubt Smillie would be matched against Lachie Neale or Zac Butters, he will be playing alongside taller opponents, 196cm as a midfielder is rare air. All I'm doing asking a few question related to his role at AFL level.
 
Top of head also - Tom Green, Hayden Young, Nat Fyfe, Noah Anderson, Josh Dunkley etc etc.

His height won't matter. His ability below his knees will and he's fine in that area.

Other things hold bigger obstacles.
 
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And that's why the 190cm class is so difficult to pierce, these are the elite footballers of the AFL, there is no middle ground, there are no jack of all trades but master of none types who stick around and play 200 games. You either demonstrate elite ball winning ability like Green or Cripps, elite kicking like Mundy or Yeo, elite agility like Pendlebury or you wind up having a short career like scores of other 190cm types.

And I'm asking a pretty basic question which few can seemingly answer. What is Smillie's AFL area of expertise? How is he going to compete against the best in the competition or how is he going to lift his productivity to match a player like Green? If one can't answer that question then it's probably a risky pick and one which has a fair degree of bust potential.
Re Smillie not sure what the fuss is about to be honest. Probably the most likely of the top 10 in becoming a bust at AFL level.
 
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I doubt Smillie would be matched against Lachie Neale or Zac Butters, he will be playing alongside taller opponents, 196cm as a midfielder is rare air. All I'm doing asking a few question related to his role at AFL level.
Fair questions Bully for me at 10 or 11 I don't think Smillie lasts either. Unless the club rates him at 6. Personally I'll still pick Langford, Tauru and Smith over him at 6. Bully what's your views on Murphy Reid at 10 and 11.