There are still tiers of the draft. For example, there is literally no-one saying that FOS or Lalor are the same quality as Jack Whitlock, Tobie Travaglia or Joe Berry as examples. Its more people are saying that its a 2 for 1 deal, but you don't win premierships with those. Look at teams list builds of those that have won premierships, guess where the key players were drafted in most cases.
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2024 Draft Thread
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There are still tiers of the draft. For example, there is literally no-one saying that FOS or Lalor are the same quality as Jack Whitlock, Tobie Travaglia or Joe Berry as examples. Its more people are saying that its a 2 for 1 deal, but you don't win premierships with those. Look at teams list builds of those that have won premierships, guess where the key players were drafted in most cases.
It has been reported that Richmond is unwilling to trade pick 6. If true it makes it difficult for Richmond to obtain pick 2. No matter how many 10 for 13 + 29, then this for that shenanigans and permutations you try, we can be outbid by St Kilda with 7 + whatever it takes if we refuse to give up 6. Because 7 gets Tauru.
Unless we're prepared to take him at 6. Are we? Or are we prepared to give it to Norfs and hope Smillie gets to 10? Do we really have such a powerful hard-on for Smillie, or are we putting it out there that we do so it will seem like a huge concession when we give it up and therefore the secondary pick we give with it is only pick 20 because bloody hell Norfs we've already given up our beloved Smillie play fair you master negotiators?
6 and 20, Norfs, or we take Tauru ourselves?
Do they even want Tauru that badly? Or do they want two top KPP prospects and it would be nice if one of them were Tauru but if two of them were Armstrong and Trainor well that would be alright, even more so if we give them 29 from our 10 for 13 business and they can grab a Mraz or Gerreyn or Sims or whoever as well?
Can Smillie get to 10 if we give up 6?
1. Lalor
2. FOS
3. Draper?
4. Langford?
5. Lindsay?
6. Tauru
7. Does Smillie go here? Or does SOS pick Smith?
8. Reid? Travaglia? Hotton?
9. Armstrong? Smillie? Allan? Smith?
10. Smillie? But *smile* we've traded it for 13 and 29! That's ok, Poorts pick Travaglia, that's why they traded for it!
11. Smillie? Allan? Armstrong? Hotton? Smith?
What if we don't give up 6? Does Tauru go to St Kilda or Melbourne? Does anyone know???
Unless we're prepared to take him at 6. Are we? Or are we prepared to give it to Norfs and hope Smillie gets to 10? Do we really have such a powerful hard-on for Smillie, or are we putting it out there that we do so it will seem like a huge concession when we give it up and therefore the secondary pick we give with it is only pick 20 because bloody hell Norfs we've already given up our beloved Smillie play fair you master negotiators?
6 and 20, Norfs, or we take Tauru ourselves?
Do they even want Tauru that badly? Or do they want two top KPP prospects and it would be nice if one of them were Tauru but if two of them were Armstrong and Trainor well that would be alright, even more so if we give them 29 from our 10 for 13 business and they can grab a Mraz or Gerreyn or Sims or whoever as well?
Can Smillie get to 10 if we give up 6?
1. Lalor
2. FOS
3. Draper?
4. Langford?
5. Lindsay?
6. Tauru
7. Does Smillie go here? Or does SOS pick Smith?
8. Reid? Travaglia? Hotton?
9. Armstrong? Smillie? Allan? Smith?
10. Smillie? But *smile* we've traded it for 13 and 29! That's ok, Poorts pick Travaglia, that's why they traded for it!
11. Smillie? Allan? Armstrong? Hotton? Smith?
What if we don't give up 6? Does Tauru go to St Kilda or Melbourne? Does anyone know???
Agreed. FOS is a generational talent. Impactful. Special. Clear number 1 for me. The minor niggles he had in 24 are of no concern to me.
If this lalor at Pick 1 has been a smokescreen, it has been incredibly well done
This. Been a lot of impressive Indian Rubber Man contortions and Magic puddings, but 6 will have to be part of a deal for 2.
Why would anyone know spook? Moreover why would anyone know for certainty that we are picking Lalor at 1? I would be disappointed if the RFC made clear its intentions.
Suggest there is much smoke and mirrors involved by the RFC and others leading up to the draft. Machiavelli has his fingerprints all over this...
We can all rest assured however. Poirot is on the case!
Would people be happy with a FOS/Smilie combo? That’s what it will most likely be if we keep 6.
Putting aside personal preferences and looking objectively, 1 of Lalor/ FOS and 1 of Smilie/ Smith/ Langford/ Tauru, its a good outcome.
Okay, I'm working on how we get Smillie if we give up pick 6. Maybe we can't.
But let's say we can. (I'm giving 6 and 20 for 2 and F2.)
Let's call this the Wet Dream Draft (WDD):
1. Lalor (RI)
2. Ashcroft (BR)
3. FOS (RI)
4. Draper (CA)
5. Smith (AD)
6. Langford (ME)
7. Tauru (NM)
8. Lindsay (St K)
9. Lombard (GC)
10. Armstrong (St K)
11. Kako (ES) (Taylor continuing the charade he wanted him so he can play Rosa like a fiddle again next year)
12. Allan (ME)
13. Travaglia (PA) (traded with now-16 and 32)
14. Smillie (RI)
15. Reid (Eye of the Potato)
16. J. Whitlock (RI) (it's here or never)
17. Berry (FR)
18. Shanahan (GWS)
19. Oliver (GWS)
20. Hannaford (WB)
21. Hotton (RI)
22+ who even cares
But let's say we can. (I'm giving 6 and 20 for 2 and F2.)
Let's call this the Wet Dream Draft (WDD):
1. Lalor (RI)
2. Ashcroft (BR)
3. FOS (RI)
4. Draper (CA)
5. Smith (AD)
6. Langford (ME)
7. Tauru (NM)
8. Lindsay (St K)
9. Lombard (GC)
10. Armstrong (St K)
11. Kako (ES) (Taylor continuing the charade he wanted him so he can play Rosa like a fiddle again next year)
12. Allan (ME)
13. Travaglia (PA) (traded with now-16 and 32)
14. Smillie (RI)
15. Reid (Eye of the Potato)
16. J. Whitlock (RI) (it's here or never)
17. Berry (FR)
18. Shanahan (GWS)
19. Oliver (GWS)
20. Hannaford (WB)
21. Hotton (RI)
22+ who even cares
I think Langford and Smith will be gone by pick 6. Tauru and Smillie will be on the board IMO.
FWIW I prefer we go with Lalor.
I spoke with the father of a draft prospect ranked in the thirty range. He had a few interesting things to say. One was that clubs have told him that their draft boards are quite different to the consensus phantom drafts outside of the first few.
He said Richmond have spoken to his son once and will talk to him again after the exam embargo lifts. He said we were a bit behind other clubs in terms of interviews due to the Toce tragedy. He did say Richmond were one of the tougher interviews and it was heavily psych based. He was a bit concerned that his son isn't as loud as some draftees and wasn't sure how that would come across. Also he thought that footy isn't an oral game in the end and wondered if the interviews carried a bit much weight.
He said Richmond have spoken to his son once and will talk to him again after the exam embargo lifts. He said we were a bit behind other clubs in terms of interviews due to the Toce tragedy. He did say Richmond were one of the tougher interviews and it was heavily psych based. He was a bit concerned that his son isn't as loud as some draftees and wasn't sure how that would come across. Also he thought that footy isn't an oral game in the end and wondered if the interviews carried a bit much weight.
I think North will go Tauru at #2. Lalor, Tauru, FOS, Draper is what I've heard the most. Means Langford or Smith would be available at #6. Lot's of variables though. Don't like Smillie anywhere near #6. Disposal, especially kicking is poor. Only had 19 disposals, 2.8 marks, 3.5 tackles, half a goal a game in 4 games at championship level. It's not midfield material.
Wasn’t he was forced to play up forward quite a bit during the champs? Apparently also been nursing some kind of injury 2nd half of the year.
His CTL numbers are more insightful as to mid credentials.
That pretty obvious. But we have 7 1st round picks and an 8th which promises to be as important as 20 and 23, all in a draft that is the least certain of any in the last many years.
Difference of opinion as to how we should approach. Did I mention Tasmania or where we are starting from.
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I honestly think we should only take one of FOS or Lalor, I think the haul needs a sprinkling of conservatism to go with the very obvious upside of these two. I personally prefer FOS, I think he's more likely to emulate a long career like Sheds, I think there's probably going to be an element of slow burn with Lalor as he works into an AFL workload, I also think the role he plays is more likely to aggravate any soft tissue vulnerability he may have. It's not standard practice to pick a player at 1 who hasn't demonstrated an elite endurance base, or at the very least, has a 13 beep under the belt.
