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2024 Draft Thread

You don't let 198cm athletic types go. That's Sam Taylor size, Nick Larkey size, that's Ben Miller size.

You can never have enough. Let's hope.
We also have 2 NGA Player's in Vic Country u16,Tanner Armstrong from Murray /Shepp a 178 cm mid ,forward,he's quite good,,,He goes to bording school in Melbourne.
We also have Russell Clark Bendigo/Mildura ,he was playing seniors at 14,a 176cm forward/mid
 
We also have 2 NGA Player's in Vic Country u16,Tanner Armstrong from Murray /Shepp a 178 cm mid ,forward,he's quite good,,,He goes to bording school in Melbourne.
We also have Russell Clark Bendigo/Mildura ,he was playing seniors at 14,a 176cm forward/mid
Hope he makes it, we need more Russells in the comp.
 
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They'd have to use pick 3 to match. Or trade it at the draft. And they'd have to trade it into next year or the picks they traded it for would be swallowed up.

Hey, what if we traded for it? Our 2025 first-rounder for pick 3 in 2024. Take Vontae and one of Lalor/Allan/Jagga/Hotton. Then make finals next year with a full list and GC will have traded picks 10 and 12 for pick 14!

I think we should at least consider trading next year's first round into this year. Our injuries and current ladder position could mask our actual ladder potential ie we could improve next year on the back of lower injury count and even if we finish with a pick 8 to 12 we could get a top 5 pick this year. Having multiple top 5 picks allows us to get two quality players to grow together, like Rowell and Anderson at the Gold Coast
 
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I think we should at least consider trading next year's first round into this year. Our injuries and current ladder position could mask our actual ladder potential ie we could improve next year on the back of lower injury count and even if we finish with a pick 8 to 12 we could get a top 5 pick this year. Having multiple top 5 picks allows us to get two quality players to grow together, like Rowell and Anderson at the Gold Coast

Thats a good point and I'd definitely consider it as part of a package with Gold Coast. If they can't trade up their 2 1sts to a top 3 pick, then I'm certain they will try and trade them into next year. They currently have 5334 points (based on current ladder position) take out 8 and 11 and they still have 2,454 points to bid on Lombard which still gives them enough points to match a bid at Pick 1 if the bidding system doesn't change (and I don't think it will this year).

Pick 8 is likely to slide out to Pick 10, which is still above where our future 1st is likely to end up. Maybe something like Pick 8 and 20, for our future 1st and 33? Would that work?

Before any other trades, that would put us with Pick 2, 8, 20, 22, 40, 41, 51, 58, 66 and 71. We could maybe include some of the other later picks in there with those picks to balance it out, of even so we can add Alex Davies in there.

I'd hope we'd have a good package then to hopefully put on the table for the Lions 1st to go with that group. Thats all before any potential Baker trade.
 
Lalor,Faull,and Fos not playing for Vic Country on Sunday.
Watch for a bottom ager Ben Rongdit has a huge vertical leap.
 
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Some talk here on Academy's. Leysy's view.

Not stressed about interstate clubs academy's. The AFL are on record that it will all change and clubs paying a truer worth compared to the joke it is now. The only question is this year of next. For our sake with all our later picks let's hopefully it is next year.

The NGA is the one am worried about. You can hear the jungle drums that some clubs and the AFL want to open this up. i.e. If you have an NGA product you can draft him anywhere. Bad Bad move. Most of these players would have been drafted anyway. Unlike club academy's in growing states, you aren’t bringing these guys into the game, they come in on a pathway the same as everyone else. Look at Mac Andrew - One of the very very best players of his draft year and a future star you can build a club around. He would have went to Melbourne who had won that years flag. On the back of doing very litttle to develop him. Ugle-Hagen similar.

They aren't expanding the game and there are two very big downsides:

  1. It will even more compromise the draft. Between Academy's and NGA half the first round (or more) in any given year will be academy selections.
  2. And even more importantly, it will be impossible to make zones equal. Some clubs will get fantastic zones that will have a truckload of talent. Similar to the 80's where Hawthorn's era was largely built on being gifted the best recruiting zone in the league. Whilst other's will have a scarce supply of talent - year after year. Unfortunately can see it happening as interstate clubs are pushing heavily for it. Can also see it being an unmitigated disaster that will absolutely cruel some clubs. The whole NGA academy's should be wound up, not expanded.
The scam that drives me insane about the NGA is claiming any kid with one parent from another country as an NGA candidate. No mind that the kid is born in Australia and in most cases started footy in Auskick. Take for example the Quaynors. Aussie Mum, Dad from Africa (I think) but all the kids born out Doncaster way and have been playing footy since age 5 at Auskick at Beverley Hills JFC. There are many examples like this, it’s a total scam and just devalues the entire drafting system.
For me, to qualify as NGA the kid must have been born overseas and not played any sort of footy until after age 10.
 
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The scam that drives me insane about the NGA is claiming any kid with one parent from another country as an NGA candidate. No mind that the kid is born in Australia and in most cases started footy in Auskick. Take for example the Quaynors. Aussie Mum, Dad from Africa (I think) but all the kids born out Doncaster way and have been playing footy since age 5 at Auskick at Beverley Hills JFC. There are many examples like this, it’s a total scam and just devalues the entire drafting system.
For me, to qualify as NGA the kid must have been born overseas and not played any sort of footy until after age 10.

Same with Mitch Owens I think. Born in Australia, mum born in China I think so is an NGA graduate. As you say its a massive rort having that.
 
The scam that drives me insane about the NGA is claiming any kid with one parent from another country as an NGA candidate. No mind that the kid is born in Australia and in most cases started footy in Auskick. Take for example the Quaynors. Aussie Mum, Dad from Africa (I think) but all the kids born out Doncaster way and have been playing footy since age 5 at Auskick at Beverley Hills JFC. There are many examples like this, it’s a total scam and just devalues the entire drafting system.
For me, to qualify as NGA the kid must have been born overseas and not played any sort of footy until after age 10.
Yeah Quaynor talks like Slim Dusty.
 
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Thats a good point and I'd definitely consider it as part of a package with Gold Coast. If they can't trade up their 2 1sts to a top 3 pick, then I'm certain they will try and trade them into next year. They currently have 5334 points (based on current ladder position) take out 8 and 11 and they still have 2,454 points to bid on Lombard which still gives them enough points to match a bid at Pick 1 if the bidding system doesn't change (and I don't think it will this year).

Pick 8 is likely to slide out to Pick 10, which is still above where our future 1st is likely to end up. Maybe something like Pick 8 and 20, for our future 1st and 33? Would that work?

Before any other trades, that would put us with Pick 2, 8, 20, 22, 40, 41, 51, 58, 66 and 71. We could maybe include some of the other later picks in there with those picks to balance it out, of even so we can add Alex Davies in there.

I'd hope we'd have a good package then to hopefully put on the table for the Lions 1st to go with that group. Thats all before any potential Baker trade.

Yes that works. Could we then bundle picks and trade for another top 10 pick?
 
The scam that drives me insane about the NGA is claiming any kid with one parent from another country as an NGA candidate. No mind that the kid is born in Australia and in most cases started footy in Auskick. Take for example the Quaynors. Aussie Mum, Dad from Africa (I think) but all the kids born out Doncaster way and have been playing footy since age 5 at Auskick at Beverley Hills JFC. There are many examples like this, it’s a total scam and just devalues the entire drafting system.
For me, to qualify as NGA the kid must have been born overseas and not played any sort of footy until after age 10.

100% this.

It should be wound up, but all the jungle drums are that it is going to be loosened right up. :(
 
100% this.

It should be wound up, but all the jungle drums are that it is going to be loosened right up. :(
disagree. It is exactly like the early days of the northern club academies. The game needs to attract way more multi-cultural players. There is also a crisis in getting indigenous kids through the pathways and into the draft. Sure there are rorts at this time with a bunch of kids who were always going to play footy, but that is the price for getting Clubs to invest in the academy and cast a wide net to attract and keep new players into the system. Who knows if Heeney would have played footy anyway, but no doubt overall the northern academy system is working to do this.
 
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disagree. It is exactly like the early days of the northern club academies. The game needs to attract way more multi-cultural players. There is also a crisis in getting indigenous kids through the pathways and into the draft. Sure there are rorts at this time with a bunch of kids who were always going to play footy, but that is the price for getting Clubs to invest in the academy and cast a wide net to attract and keep new players into the system. Who knows if Heeney would have played footy anyway, but no doubt overall the northern academy system is working to do this.
U just can't have a system that gifts a grand final side in Sydney a number 1 pick followed by another top 3 pick followed by 3 more guns,it allows them a unbelievable leg up to always be good.
Another club with the exact same effort won't be as successful, if u put the 5 Sydney academy players into another vic club , it changes them significantly.
 
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The northern academies is allowing these clubs access to their guns on their own plus access to guns from Victoria where 10 clubs are.
 
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The scam that drives me insane about the NGA is claiming any kid with one parent from another country as an NGA candidate. No mind that the kid is born in Australia and in most cases started footy in Auskick. Take for example the Quaynors. Aussie Mum, Dad from Africa (I think) but all the kids born out Doncaster way and have been playing footy since age 5 at Auskick at Beverley Hills JFC. There are many examples like this, it’s a total scam and just devalues the entire drafting system.
For me, to qualify as NGA the kid must have been born overseas and not played any sort of footy until after age 10.

I haven't looked up the specifics, but have heard of this business with claiming a player who has forebears in another country. I don't get it. How the F^%ck does someone's relos from another country have anything to do with them playing a game only played in Australia?

Just as an aside, what countries did we get, Central African Republic, Mauritania, Burkina Faso, Niger?

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disagree. It is exactly like the early days of the northern club academies. The game needs to attract way more multi-cultural players. There is also a crisis in getting indigenous kids through the pathways and into the draft. Sure there are rorts at this time with a bunch of kids who were always going to play footy, but that is the price for getting Clubs to invest in the academy and cast a wide net to attract and keep new players into the system. Who knows if Heeney would have played footy anyway, but no doubt overall the northern academy system is working to do this.

No issues with the Northern Academies at all. They should stay - They are integral in developing talent in regions the game isn't typically strong and they have clubs located in these regions. So long as what the clubs pay for the talent is fair - and that will be tightened.

But NGA is different. As others have said, typically players have been in areas with strong pathways already in place. They have had very little to do with developing these players like Quaynor, Andrew etc.

The AFL should be spending the money and investing resources in programs in rural communities for indigenous talent - that's not for clubs to do.
 
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This is a good example of what separates Vontae O'Cotchin for me. Bear in mind this is R5 last year, so over a year ago when he was yet to turn 17. The pace, the line-breaking, the one-touch, the step, the hops, the smarts and anticipation.


For me he's a clear #1.

At this stage I'd go:
1. O'Sullivan
2. Smillie
3. Lombard. I've revised him upwards, just too explosive, quick and damaging to ignore.
4. Ashcroft
5. Jagga

* Lalor and Allan on the watch for when they get a run at it. I rate both very highly but they've barely played so hard to place them. I could see either or both pushing for top 3.
Give him the #9 straight away.
 
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Just watched the U16 match Metro vrs Country which country won by a few goals.
My observations are what the hell is going on with skills,,lot's of player's with average or ordinary kicks ,surely chaos style football is not responsible for this.
And another thing that pisses me off ,is player's getting too close to the player on the mark ,when having a set shot,it happens to much these days ,even in the AFL.

Loved the game of metro Ruck Harry Van Hattum a 202 cm from Northern Knight really mobile and agile,and takes a mark and kicks goals,has hardness as well.
He was up against the Bevis Brothers ,twins who are both 201cm and don't turn 16 until oct,

Cody Walker who is eligible for our NGA but is a Carlton f/s was good for country ,our NGA Tanner Armstrong was quite good ,uses the ball well.
Quite a few tall types and medium talls which is good for the 2026 draft.
 
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Why would a club like Melbourne or Richmond put money into nga just to see gcs,gws ,get theirs and ours as well with their 20.million early picks,mac Andrew,etc.
 
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