2024 Draft Thread

[tigersnake]

Some talk here on Academy's. Leysy's view.

Not stressed about interstate clubs academy's. The AFL are on record that it will all change and clubs paying a truer worth compared to the joke it is now. The only question is this year of next. For our sake with all our later picks let's hopefully it is next year.

The NGA is the one am worried about. You can hear the jungle drums that some clubs and the AFL want to open this up. i.e. If you have an NGA product you can draft him anywhere. Bad Bad move. Most of these players would have been drafted anyway. Unlike club academy's in growing states, you aren’t bringing these guys into the game, they come in on a pathway the same as everyone else. Look at Mac Andrew - One of the very very best players of his draft year and a future star you can build a club around. He would have went to Melbourne who had won that years flag. On the back of doing very litttle to develop him. Ugle-Hagen similar.

They aren't expanding the game and there are two very big downsides:

1. It will even more compromise the draft. Between Academy's and NGA half the first round (or more) in any given year will be academy selections.
2. And even more importantly, it will be impossible to make zones equal. Some clubs will get fantastic zones that will have a truckload of talent. Similar to the 80's where Hawthorn's era was largely built on being gifted the best recruiting zone in the league. Whilst other's will have a scarce supply of talent - year after year. Unfortunately can see it happening as interstate clubs are pushing heavily for it. Can also see it being an unmitigated disaster that will absolutely cruel some clubs. The whole NGA academy's should be wound up, not expanded.

agree 100%. Not against the northern academies, I understand the case for having them, just against the price paid for the player, which is free basically. And the NGAs are fundamentally flawed, irrepairable.

 

[jokershoppe]

Some talk here on Academy's. Leysy's view.

Not stressed about interstate clubs academy's. The AFL are on record that it will all change and clubs paying a truer worth compared to the joke it is now. The only question is this year of next. For our sake with all our later picks let's hopefully it is next year.

The NGA is the one am worried about. You can hear the jungle drums that some clubs and the AFL want to open this up. i.e. If you have an NGA product you can draft him anywhere. Bad Bad move. Most of these players would have been drafted anyway. Unlike club academy's in growing states, you aren’t bringing these guys into the game, they come in on a pathway the same as everyone else. Look at Mac Andrew - One of the very very best players of his draft year and a future star you can build a club around. He would have went to Melbourne who had won that years flag. On the back of doing very litttle to develop him. Ugle-Hagen similar.

They aren't expanding the game and there are two very big downsides:

1. It will even more compromise the draft. Between Academy's and NGA half the first round (or more) in any given year will be academy selections.
2. And even more importantly, it will be impossible to make zones equal. Some clubs will get fantastic zones that will have a truckload of talent. Similar to the 80's where Hawthorn's era was largely built on being gifted the best recruiting zone in the league. Whilst other's will have a scarce supply of talent - year after year. Unfortunately can see it happening as interstate clubs are pushing heavily for it. Can also see it being an unmitigated disaster that will absolutely cruel some clubs. The whole NGA academy's should be wound up, not expanded.

As it is now,it's useless as gcs got their 4 unbelievably cheap and previously also took Melbourne's only nga in 8 years so the system allows northern academies to pick nga plus 100% of their own.
Yes better scrapped than the farce it is nowm

 

[spook]

No they wouldn't. They'd just yawn and match with a heap of junk picks with a big fat 10% discount, just like last year.

If say Smillie and FOS end up being standout top 2, the scenario is moot, it won't happen, but if LL Cool J is in the convo, they'll match.

They'd have to use pick 3 to match. Or trade it at the draft. And they'd have to trade it into next year or the picks they traded it for would be swallowed up.

Hey, what if we traded for it? Our 2025 first-rounder for pick 3 in 2024. Take Vontae and one of Lalor/Allan/Jagga/Hotton. Then make finals next year with a full list and GC will have traded picks 10 and 12 for pick 14!

 

[tigersnake]

They'd have to use pick 3 to match. Or trade it at the draft. And they'd have to trade it into next year or the picks they traded it for would be swallowed up.

Hey, what if we traded for it? Our 2025 first-rounder for pick 3 in 2024. Take Vontae and one of Lalor/Allan/Jagga/Hotton. Then make finals next year with a full list and GC will have traded picks 10 and 12 for pick 14!

Sorry I don't follow. They have pick three? Won't they just put it up for auction like usual? Match with whatever picks they end up with? The league won't change any rules this year. Suns will get LL and Uwland regardless of how high they climb. That's all they will be concerned with, and whatever other academy players are in the frame. What am I missing?

 

[tigerdell]

No they wouldn't. They'd just yawn and match with a heap of junk picks with a big fat 10% discount, just like last year.

If say Smillie and FOS end up being standout top 2, the scenario is moot, it won't happen, but if LL Cool J is in the convo, they'll match.

If they trade for pick 3 and then Lombard is bid at 2, then they must use pick 3 to match*

*maybe there is a loophole with live trading.
That should be closed up this year imo

 

[tigerdell]

I posted this a month ago.
Gold coast don't need points, they have enough junk picks for Lombardo.

So they need to move 10 amd 12 and their 2nd either upor into next year.
Next year safer and CatsSaints and Dogs will be good partners to trade.


If they trade up for pick 3 / 4 then its a risk. But with intell they'llknow when a bid is likely

 

[spook]

Sorry I don't follow. They have pick three? Won't they just put it up for auction like usual? Match with whatever picks they end up with? The league won't change any rules this year. Suns will get LL and Uwland regardless of how high they climb. That's all they will be concerned with, and whatever other academy players are in the frame. What am I missing?

You're clearly missing my original post when they traded up for pick 3 to get ahead of a Lombard bid. Then Leysy 'what-iffed' us bidding at 2.

Keep up, snake!

 

[tigersnake]

You're clearly missing my original post when they traded up for pick 3 to get ahead of a Lombard bid. Then Leysy 'what-iffed' us bidding at 2.

Keep up, snake!

I'm completely lost. Why would they trade up? Trading down like a plutonium half life is where its at for them.

 

[eZyT]

This is a good example of what separates Vontae O'Cotchin for me. Bear in mind this is R5 last year, so over a year ago when he was yet to turn 17. The pace, the line-breaking, the one-touch, the step, the hops, the smarts and anticipation.

For me he's a clear #1.

At this stage I'd go:
1. O'Sullivan
2. Smillie
3. Lombard. I've revised him upwards, just too explosive, quick and damaging to ignore.
4. Ashcroft
5. Jagga

* Lalor and Allan on the watch for when they get a run at it. I rate both very highly but they've barely played so hard to place them. I could see either or both pushing for top 3.

Yeah lombard is very good. If he was 10cm taller could be harley reid good. Who was the last 16yo to contribute to a state league premiership? Hope tigers bid and make GC pay cause id be quite comfortable if they didnt match.

I remain firmly a jagga smith man

 

[spook]

I'm completely lost. Why would they trade up? Trading down like a plutonium half life is where its at for them.

To get ahead of a Lombard bid. If he's expected to get bid on at 3, 4 or 5, they can trade for pick 3, draft Jagga or whoever, and match Lombard.

 

[eZyT]

To get ahead of a Lombard bid. If he's expected to get bid on at 3, 4 or 5, they can trade for pick 3, draft Jagga or whoever, and match Lombard.

Surely north draw a line and *smile* that *smile* up with a bid at 1?

Surely theres some collective sense if duty to hinder expansion club rorting?

 

[spook]

Surely north draw a line and *smile* that *smile* up with a bid at 1?

Can't see that. They'll pick Guy Smillie. We just have to not win too many and Vontae's ours.

 

[tigerdell]

Surely north draw a line and *smile* that *smile* up with a bid at 1?

Surely theres some collective sense if duty to hinder expansion club rorting?

Nah North pick what's best for Norf.
We'd want it the same way.
The AFL will fix it up next year

(knowing the afl it will be a fixFU that causes other foreseen problems)

 

[tigerdell]

I'm completely lost. Why would they trade up? Trading down like a plutonium half life is where its at for them.

GCS have points without using their first picks. They can get Lombardy with points.
But they naturally will want to get Lombo AND another top talent.

So the draft up or out to next year

 

[Leysy Days]

Depends on salary cap, but they are also likely to trade out one of those picks for a player.

They'll be shopping for a half back.

 

[tigersnake]

To get ahead of a Lombard bid. If he's expected to get bid on at 3, 4 or 5, they can trade for pick 3, draft Jagga or whoever, and match Lombard.

OK I get it. Wont happen though. Teams don't trade those high picks unless incentive is very high, its not here. What a joke of a system that that is even a possibility.

Without having to break a sweat, they'll match LL. Depending on where Uwland ends up in the rankings, either Draft a player then match on Uwland, or vice versa. Then match/draft or rookie Millane/ Nancarrow etc.

Or as Leysy said, trade a first for an established player, maybe bundled with a future, thats a smarter move, and still match all the bids they need to match.

 

[spook]

OK I get it. Wont happen though. Teams don't trade those high picks unless incentive is very high, its not here. What a joke of a system that that is even a possibility.

I'm positing that it might be worth it. That after Vontae, Guy, LL Cool J and Levis Strausscroft, it's chuck a blanket time.

 

[Redford]

Interested to see how Harry O’Farrell goes over the next few weeks.

An apostrophe double awaits…..

 

[tigersnake]

I'm positing that it might be worth it. That after Vontae, Guy, LL Cool J and Levis Strausscroft, it's chuck a blanket time.

Its an interesting posit, but won't happen.

 

[YeOldeTiger]

Yeah lombard is very good. If he was 10cm taller could be harley reid good. Who was the last 16yo to contribute to a state league premiership? Hope tigers bid and make GC pay cause id be quite comfortable if they didnt match.

I remain firmly a jagga smith man

I think the last 16yo to contribute to a State League flag might have been Stephen Coniglio who kicked 4 and had about 25 possies in a WAFL grand final for Swan Districts about 12 years ago. Andrew Krakouer had a field day that day too and won the medal but Coniglio was awesome.