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2023 mid-season rookie draft

Harry Taylor? He went before Rance, Grimes a very astute pick but more a third tall, although he did fill in on occasion. Wilke not really a key back either, he's in that Luke Ryan class of rebounder, these types are the very players I was referring to when I mentioned back flanks. You would be hard pressed to get an AA centre half back outside of the main draft, Tom Lonergan probably the best example and he's what I'd consider a dour negating type rather than a playmaker. Rutten in that class as well, great picks but not necessarily the headline acts.

i meant Taylor young .

Not sure why you are excluding pre season picks and supp list players from this analysis ?

In any case suit yourself with whatever narrative you want to push

As far as the club is concerned, I have heard them say it myself, firsthand

They have done the numbers

KPD, small fwds and rucks are the best ROI for these picks, now if you want to say Grimes is not a KPD , I don't agree.
 
2013-2018 drafting from the rookie draft (centurians)

2013

2. James Harmes (143)
7. Charlie Cameron (187)
25. Kayne Turner (125)
29. Sam Gray (103)
40. Jake Kelly (139)
50. Neville Jetta (118)

2014

1. Jack Sinclair (152)
11. Jayden Short (145)
25. Adam Saad (162)
29. Jason Castagna (134)
35. Nic Newman (97)........3 games off but will get there in June
46. Kane Lambert (135)
60. Mason Cox (100)

2015

14. Tom Papley (140)
22. Alex McDonald-Tipungwati (132)
45. Dan Houston (132)
48. Hugh Greenwood (112)

Centurians or locks for triple figures

2016
1. Sam Draper (53)
9. Peter Ladhams (52)
11. Rowan Marshall (97)
12. Cameron Zurhaar (93)
16. Jack Henry (109)
37. Oscar McInerney (112)

2017

18. Liam Baker (93)
22. Brody Mihocek (113)
38. Lachlan Murphy (86)

2018

3. Callum Wilke (96)
11. Tom Atkins (93)
58. Mabior Chol (58)

Rucks, small forwards & back flanks make up the lion's share of success stories.
That’s quite the success rate for what are essentially picks 70-100+.
 
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i meant Taylor young .

Not sure why you are excluding pre season picks and supp list players from this analysis ?

In any case suit yourself with whatever narrative you want to push

As far as the club is concerned, I have heard them say it myself, firsthand

They have done the numbers

KPD, small fwds and rucks are the best ROI for these picks, now if you want to say Grimes is not a KPD , I don't agree.
I'm not pushing any narrative, the same would apply to picks from 50-100, PSD picks included. The club went down this path with Silvestor, Calum Moore, Garthwaite, Gourdis & Westhoff. The only time it's sort of come off was Will Thursfield, 77 games was a decent return & he was an ok footballer.

Grimes is a third tall, can play small if he needs to, he slotted in exceedingly well alongside Rance & Astbury. Grimes was also an example of due dilligence on the part of Jackson who watched him train for a month before picking him over 3 other candidates. If the club has done the numbers then they are out of date. It's a bit like suggesting James Hird & Chris Grant are gettable in the fourth round, that stuff doesn't happen anymore.
 
Tyler Young also an ok pick given he's a state league player, can cut and run without investing 4 years of development time. Quick turnover in the rookie draft is key, the only exception is rucks, these guys need 4 years minimum.
 
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Of our VFL players. James Trezise cleary the one for Leysy.

Suits our needs best and far higher scope than the others ILO. Hope we take him plus a small forward or a key forward (though chances of a decent one of the latter will be limited you'd think).
 
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Read that the recruiters are saying there’s slim pickings for the MSD. There’s 43 state league clubs with over 1000 players. You can’t tell me there’s not some quality in there.
 
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Of our VFL players. James Trezise cleary the one for Leysy.

Suits our needs best and far higher scope than the others ILO. Hope we take him plus a small forward or a key forward (though chances of a decent one of the latter will be limited you'd think).
Do you really think he's AFL level?
 
Key Position Prospects Drafted by Richmond from the 4th round onwards (2006-current)

Dean Putt (0 games)
David Goudis (1)
Reece McKenzie (0)
Ryan Garthwaite (14)
Ben Miller (19)
Jarrod Silvestor (5)
Nick Westhoff (0)
Callum Moore (10)
Bigoa Nyoun (1)
Tylar Young (7)
Kaelen Bradtke (0)
Jacob Bauer (0)

It's not been a happy hunting ground so far, Richmond's best rookie draft was exactly what I've been harping on about, Short (back flank), Lambert (state league Fothergill-Round medalist), Castangna (small forward) & Soldo (ruck).
 
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Read that the recruiters are saying there’s slim pickings for the MSD. There’s 43 state league clubs with over 1000 players. You can’t tell me there’s not some quality in there.

Exactly.

They always say that to cover there arse when the player they picked turns out no good.
 
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Key Position Prospects Drafted by Richmond from the 4th round onwards (2006-current)

Dean Putt (0 games)
David Goudis (1)
Reece McKenzie (0)
Ryan Garthwaite (14)
Ben Miller (19)
Jarrod Silvestor (5)
Nick Westhoff (0)
Callum Moore (10)
Bigoa Nyoun (1)
Tylar Young (7)
Kaelen Bradtke (0)
Jacob Bauer (0)

It's not been a happy hunting ground so far, Richmond's best rookie draft was exactly what I've been harping on about, Short (back flank), Lambert (state league Fothergill-Round medalist), Castangna (small forward) & Soldo (ruck).

Add Chol, Broad (pinch hit tall that can beat the best key forward in the game - Cameron), Grimes and Samson (3rd round) and it helps.

But yeah those types are typically best suited. Small (and medium) forwards are a far bigger need than defensive cover (and anywhere else for that matter) anyway.
 
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Of our VFL players. James Trezise cleary the one for Leysy.

Suits our needs best and far higher scope than the others ILO. Hope we take him plus a small forward or a key forward (though chances of a decent one of the latter will be limited you'd think).
 
Add Chol, Broad (pinch hit tall that can beat the best key forward in the game - Cameron), Grimes and Samson (3rd round) and it helps.

But yeah those types are typically best suited. Small (and medium) forwards are a far bigger need than defensive cover (and anywhere else for that matter) anyway.
Ruck/forwards always the best bet, Chol & Ryan fit into this category, Ladhams another hit, I think if you are dealing with a 200cm+ player the odds improve markedly. Blicavs another terrific pick, Mason Cox visionary, McInerney adaptable as well.
 
Key Position Prospects Drafted by Richmond from the 4th round onwards (2006-current)

Dean Putt (0 games)
David Goudis (1)
Reece McKenzie (0)
Ryan Garthwaite (14)
Ben Miller (19)
Jarrod Silvestor (5)
Nick Westhoff (0)
Callum Moore (10)
Bigoa Nyoun (1)
Tylar Young (7)
Kaelen Bradtke (0)
Jacob Bauer (0)

It's not been a happy hunting ground so far, Richmond's best rookie draft was exactly what I've been harping on about, Short (back flank), Lambert (state league Fothergill-Round medalist), Castangna (small forward) & Soldo (ruck).
The only problem I have with this list is that it’s not longer. Garthwaite got 5 years, Nyoun year 4 and counting, Miller year 6 and counting! We should be churning through way more players at the lower end than we have done to date.

As they say, one way to increase your chances of winning the lottery is to just buy more tickets.
 
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The only problem I have with this list is that it’s not longer. Garthwaite got 5 years, Nyoun year 4 and counting, Miller year 6 and counting! We should be churning through way more players at the lower end than we have done to date.

As they say, one way to increase your chances of winning the lottery is to just buy more tickets.
Precisely the reason state league players are your bread & butter when it comes to rookie picks, Tyler Young fine by me, we can make a call at the end of 2024, hopefully he kicks on but if not, just move onto the next prospect. Small forwards are also unique in this regard, many play from year one and most can be assessed after a couple of seasons. Rucks are really the only players who should be getting more time, flankers similar to small forwards although probably rely on physicality a fraction more, they may require a bit more time to fill out.
 
Hmm, surely our need for a key forward surpasses our need for a small forward? Have to go with Hunter wouldn’t we? Trezise is a nice player but has played his best footy down back in our VFL and we’re pretty stocked with backmen. IMG_1142.jpeg
 

Reminds me of Alywn Davey Snr. Happy to have him

Hopefully we take him and Archie May
 
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