The first 8 picks are highly possible, leaving us with a difficult decision. Gibcus a long term elite defender.
After that it plays out well.
maybe would change T Brown out, say for Fejo, but its a minor quibble.
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2021 Draft Thread
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After that it plays out well.
maybe would change T Brown out, say for Fejo, but its a minor quibble.
That's a good batch, I wouldn't be complaining and taking Gibcus allows us to focus on the midfield with the later picks. Fair chance you get 3 A graders with that strategy.
These decisions at the top can shape everything below, you take the best defender on offer over the best inside mid & then you pick off all the best mids down the order. Throw in a top 3 flanker and the odds of a royal flush are real. This is a good example of finding value at each selection & meeting list demands. It maybe missing a key forward but there's always next year.
Exactly right
You cant take an inferior player just because they fit a position, Very soon end up with a Todd Elton / Ben Griffiths whilst missing out on a Parker type player.
I wouldn’t be taking Gibcus just because he’s the best defender on offer, I would only take him if he’s the best player on offer.
And if he lasts to our pick, he may well be the best player on offer.
I’ll preface this by saying I know nowt about drafting, but it seems logical that if a specific list need has been identified, which I suspect would be the case, we would draft the most suitable candidate to fill that need, be it a KB, KF, inside mid, or whatever.
Once that has been done, you fill your list with the then best available player.
Once that has been done, you fill your list with the then best available player.
Dusty, Greene, Gray, not a bad trio of mid forwards by any measure. Think we might just have got the good one though.
Nah. Wrong way around.
Jack Watts n Paddy McCartin, Both touted as very early picks in their draft years, but neither " best available " selected to fill needs. Watts, good player not excellent. McCartin destroyed by his concussion issues, but I'm not sure he'd ever have got to elite status either.
Best players generally make others around them better players regardless. Best available for specific needs generally just fills a hole n is best suited to when the rest of the road is already smooth.
McCartin brother is better.
And thats before the concussion issues.
Stkilda is now the most useless club when it comes to drafting
Thanks all been some great info on the potential draftees on this thread .
Totally understand both arguments re best available and needs , to me there’s no point taking a player I.e ruck just because we need a big doofus if he’s no bloody good . We are in a tricky situation as we have cubs young enough on the list to make up along term midfield, however are they good enough ? For me with such a rare bunch of high picks we really need to take best available , our 8 midfielders come round 1 2024 could be just about all new names . Our key forwards are a big worry , however again no point taking a tall with big queries over another midfielder just because his tall . The draft is not the only way to ad players .
Im hoping we go best available and it just happens to have a couple of KPP , a genuine bull midfielder and a couple of silky highly skilled mids and just maybe a goal kicking small forward .
Totally understand both arguments re best available and needs , to me there’s no point taking a player I.e ruck just because we need a big doofus if he’s no bloody good . We are in a tricky situation as we have cubs young enough on the list to make up along term midfield, however are they good enough ? For me with such a rare bunch of high picks we really need to take best available , our 8 midfielders come round 1 2024 could be just about all new names . Our key forwards are a big worry , however again no point taking a tall with big queries over another midfielder just because his tall . The draft is not the only way to ad players .
Im hoping we go best available and it just happens to have a couple of KPP , a genuine bull midfielder and a couple of silky highly skilled mids and just maybe a goal kicking small forward .
for the draft watchers, if Mac Andrew is available at our first pick, how do you play the hand. Do we let him through and focus on mids or take him and get the mids later.
They'd be after Gibcus.
They might throw the kitchen sink at us for pick 9.
I’ll stick my neck out and say that I think I have ‘chol trauma’ and I wouldn’t be surprised if a few on here have it too. It’s aka ‘McBean syndrome’. Silky, slight tall players with shitloads of ability and potential/versatility who could be anything but much of the time end up half baked. They polarise supporters with their flashes of brilliance. I am backing Mac as I think part of my judgment is based on reptile brain profiling aka racial profiling and therefore flawed. The question with Mac is ‘how hungry/competitive is he?’. That’s all he’ll need imo given his crazy skilz. Others who have watched full games could tell us how hard at it and hungry Mac is???
Agree
theres no chance pick 7 will be used on any "potential' kid but a more safer/reliable pick.
Pick 7 will be Hobbs or Ward
Well, in formulating a ranking you would need to place some sort of value on particular positions. That is generally obvious for say flankers, most of whom get snapped up in the second round. The same can be said about state league talent, these are generally better players given they have had extra development time. So picking the best player not so clear cut and you have to draft for upside. It's also like me having to choose between Rance or Riewoldt, who is the better player? They are both elite for their position so how do you split them? I personally have Gibcus higher than Hobbs based on upside, the fact his position is harder to fill & the fact his athletic profile might be enough to get him operating as a key forward. This has nothing to do with him being the better player at this given moment, it's about where I see him in 5 years time.
Remember the 2004 draft? Clarkson debriefed the media by stating he has made the spine the focus of the rebuild, he placed extra value on key position forwards given their scarcity. Lurking in the background was Wallace congratulating himself on grabbing the best outside runners in the land, something he would repeat the following year with Oakley-Nicholls. These decisions are as much about philosophy as they are about assessing raw talent. Aaron Fiora was better performed than Pavlich, he was the 'better' player based on senior exposure, that didn't turn out too well either. From my perspective you need to grab tall forwards in the first round, if not the top 10. The stats don't lie where this is concerned and despite the fact that there's a 50% chance you will get a bust you have to roll the dice at some point.
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