I read he had a ripper last quarter to help VC get over the line.Gus said:
Is consistency his issue?
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2014 Draft/2014 Nat Champs
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Is consistency his issue?
100% agree Scoop
Take Nahas and White out of our side and look at the results and they were not that great but they broke the lines- we need midfield speed.
Take Nahas and White out of our side and look at the results and they were not that great but they broke the lines- we need midfield speed.
tigersnake said:
Having Luke Williams on board will help. He was part of the Geelong team that put together there current list. And Geelong has had success plucking pacey classy types later in the draft (Steve Motlop at 39 in 2008, Taylor Hunt at 49 in 2008, Allen Christensen at 40 in 2009, Mitch Duncan at 28 in 2009, George Horlin-Smith at 33 in 2010, Jordan Murdoch at 48 in 2011) and these are exactly the types that we lack and cant get on the list. Look at these names. All with picks after 28.
And every one of those players would be in our best 22. Some would be in our best 12. Why can't we get them? What we are doing wrong? Why aren't we looking at these types? Hopefully Francis listens to Luke and begins to change the criteria we judge talent on after the first round.
All those names spread from the contest, take the game on with run & carry, can win their own ball and can kick. That's the mantra.
Agree, Scoop. I didn't make it down on Sunday so I was wondering your thoughts on the key forwards (Gus too). Is there anyone looking capable of being a top-line POWER forward? If so, is there the depth in the mids that if we gained another top-20 pick we could spend our first on that forward and say picks 20, 25, 45 on mids?
SCOOP said:
yes but these players developed in the geelong system where they practice and play this brand of football, where everyone is on the same page. had they been recruited by us they'd be fumbling, indecisive, running in circles, going backwards. there needs to be a complete revamp of our playing style and game plan philosophy which needs to be drilled into every player preseason after preseason so it becomes second nature. once it's imbedded into the senior players it will rub off onto the juniors that follow. agree we need to get better with the later picks, but our environment and system does not help develop our players. Taylor Hunt in our system would be a complete spud.
SCOOP said:
Agree 100% with everything you say here draft strategy wise, and I'm glad that you're glad about Williams.
I will say one thing though about the Geelong players you mention, to me they're still unproven, they are good and fit in well due, IMO to the great leadership of Geelong older champs. We'll see how they go in 3 years time, I don't think they are poor players, just aren't convinced they are champs that will continue the Geelong success at the very top.
Or, to put another way, stick Ellis, Conca, and say McDonough in their side they look great, stick Hunt, Christenson and Murdoch in our side and they look poor.
But all that is beside the point, they are all good players, just a matter of how good. you make a good arguement and I agree.
Peter Wright is a given. But he'll be gone. Similar to Vickery. But more advanced.
Hugh Goddard is another, reckon he is a great running target. Reminds me of Roughead. Really classy when the ball hits the deck.
If we could move Vickery for another pick before 25, then I would consider a key forward for sure. 20,25, 45 on mids could net you some talent if you follow the Geelong model of picks around them.
Hugh Goddard is another, reckon he is a great running target. Reminds me of Roughead. Really classy when the ball hits the deck.
If we could move Vickery for another pick before 25, then I would consider a key forward for sure. 20,25, 45 on mids could net you some talent if you follow the Geelong model of picks around them.
SCOOP said:
Arrrrggghh Jordan Murdoch. Leysy was mad keen on him that draft. Amazed watching it that year and he kept getting overlooked. We need his type in our sloooowwww forward half so bloody badly. We prefer to let pace go rather than add to it though.
Leysy Days said:
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tigersnake said:
Again Snakey I get what your saying but you've got to look at the price paid.
Conca is pick 6, Ellis is pick 15. They should be high calibre AFL players. Picks inside the first round need to be core footballers at the very least.
We are judging the value of players we take at 6 & 15 (McDonough is a fair comparison) against players taken at 40, 48, 49. The return on investment matters.
Your justifying our first rounders against third and fourth rounders.
Theres a criteria geelong really value has told to me in conversation with stephen wells, and thats looking at players improvements over a season, given two equaled talented choices wells chooses player who has improved to that level believing this is a indication of what he will do at the highest level, and this philosophy seems to have great merit
SCOOP said:
He's been on the radar for a couple of years. This might set him back a bit
"NORWOOD is confident youngster Peter Bampton’s hopes of being drafted this year will not be hurt by his absence from the national under 18 championship.
Bampton will be sidelined for eight weeks because of ligament damage and his ankle will be in a moon boot for several weeks.
The midfielder landed awkwardly and rolled his ankle in the final quarter of the victory over Adelaide last Friday night and the Redlegs immediately suspected significant damage. The cure is rest and he could miss up to seven games, starting with tonight’s clash against Woodville-West Torrens at The Parade"
