2014 Draft/2014 Nat Champs

[Gus]

Another one I really liked, Cody Ellis. Magic left footer. Pure class.

Duggan was also very good from the Jets.

 

[St Kevin]

We badly need some more midfield class, ahead of gun talls imo. Brayshaw should be there if we maintain our current ladder position.

 

[St Kevin]

Double post.

 

[Scoop]

Gus, got another Callan Ward up your sleeve?

 

[pahoffm]

I read that the genuine midfielders to watch are:

TAC
Angus Brayshaw (Sandy Dragons), 187cm
Corey Ellis (Western Jets), 185cm

Interstate
Peter Bampton (Norwood, SA), 182cm
Isaac Heeney (Swans Academy), 186cm, Sydney zone
Alec Waterman (Claremont, WA), 183cm, Weagles F/S
Lachie Weller (Southport, Qld), 181cm

And pacy goal-kickers

TAC
?

Interstate
Justin Pickett (South Freo, WA), 178cm

 

[Gus]

Gus, got another Callan Ward up your sleeve?

I have one from WA that might fly under the radar. More about him somewhere down the track.
Ward was a pretty easy pick to be honest. I can recall a few on here saying he was a C grader but I don't think they had really seen him and simply read that others were ahead of him so marked him down the list.

I was really impressed with the guys on display today though. Some very athletic talls which a lot of clubs will be keen on.

Which players stood out for you?

 

[zippadeee]

I've thought about what our tact should be for not totally gutting the side but still moving us forward into a regular finals side.

I would build the midfield. Use every pick on mids for the next two years. We still don't have midfield depth and we have too many butchers on the periphery. If we get smart ball movement and mids who play both ways, the backs and forward look better.

Our spread, run & carry and kicking stills are way under were they need to be. Fix that and every one looks better.

Look at Luke Parker, he was found at pick 40. Look at the role he played at the Swans building up to being A grade mid. High half forward, some run with roles and limited midfield exposure. That's the trajectory we need another 4-6 starting.

Get a job at punt road. You leave them for dead.
Midfielders by the truck load.

 

[mtench]

Very good, one to watch for next year.

Goddard was kept quiet by McLaren, however McCartin was very good.

Wouldn't want to be the recruiter to pick between Goddard and McCartin.

Have heard McCartin has gone past Goddard. The pressure of being touted as a possible #1 pick might have got to Goddards head I'm told.
How did young Parish go?

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Some of the PRE junior scouts have more of an idea than our actual recruiting team. Have any of you tried knocking on their door?

Batchelor over Parker? He stood out like dogs balls and we went for the hbf with the horrendous kicking action. *smile* me dead. I'm still shaking my head over that one.

 

[Scoop]

Some of the PRE junior scouts have more of an idea than our actual recruiting team. Have any of you tried knocking on their door?

Batchelor over Parker? He stood out like dogs balls and we went for the hbf with the horrendous kicking action. *smile* me dead. I'm still shaking my head over that one.

The Parker one killed me. I wanted Parker at that pick. I'll go it in to it later but he was touted as a top 5 pick as a underager and then had a so so second carnival and was picked apart for no good reason. It's in the search history. But I wanted Parker.

No, I've never tried knocking on the door but I would do anything to help. Wouldn't want any cash either.

 

[tigertim]

The Parker one killed me. I wanted Parker at that pick. I'll go it in to it later but he was touted as a top 5 pick as a underager and then had a so so second carnival and was picked apart for no good reason. It's in the search history. But I wanted Parker.

No, I've never tried knocking on the door but I would do anything to help. Wouldn't want any cash either.

Go and offer your services as a volunteer scout, you never know your luck. We have a guy on the coaching panel who played EFL 4th division so there's a precedent!

At worst go offer yourself to a VFL club, they'd be short of staff at a guess.

 

[Scoop]

At worst go offer yourself to a VFL club, they'd be short of staff at a guess.

Scouting VFL wouldn't be my go. It's looking at the TAC that I like, forecasting VFL futures is limited. The scope of TAC comp is much bigger.

I watch a fair bit most years, just keep it simple and pick the blokes who get it more than others is what I try and do.

 

[evo]

Scouting VFL wouldn't be my go. It's looking at the TAC that I like, forecasting VFL futures is limited. The scope of TAC comp is much bigger.

I watch a fair bit most years, just keep it simple and pick the blokes who get it more than others is what I try and do.

yeah, it is not usually that hard to spot the guys who will make good AFL footballers.

 

[tigersnake]

Scouting VFL wouldn't be my go. It's looking at the TAC that I like, forecasting VFL futures is limited. The scope of TAC comp is much bigger.

I watch a fair bit most years, just keep it simple and pick the blokes who get it more than others is what I try and do.

I have no doubt about your talent spotting scoopy, but fixating on exceptions rather than the rule is low percentage.

Each year the undiscovered gems that fall in the draft get less and less. There are always a few, no doubt, but only a few and getting fewer. As a broad rul, class gets lower as the draft gets deeper.

Agree with your needs assessment, although I don't think the extent is as much as you, fair enough.

We need 4 classy fast players, don't care if the are 170 or 190, don't care if they are specialist mids, rovers, flankers, wingers, small forwards, call 'em whatever you want, we need 4 of 'em badly. 2 urgently. Ugrade our second of first pick with a player to get 2 first rounders this year, preferably 2 top 10 (we'll have 1, hopefully we can parcel a player up with our second rounder for a top 10-15.

Love to find a parker, but odds are against it, even a good solid fast citizen with our third would be good. To be clear, we should do our damndest to get a 3rd round top-liner, just saying the odds are against it.

Also scoop, you're pretty good on the talent i.d, you should send a data package to the club based on your obs, couldn't hurt!

 

[tigertim]

Scouting VFL wouldn't be my go. It's looking at the TAC that I like, forecasting VFL futures is limited. The scope of TAC comp is much bigger.

I watch a fair bit most years, just keep it simple and pick the blokes who get it more than others is what I try and do.

Sorry I didn't mean scout watching VFL I meant scout watching TAC FOR VFL clubs. My brother did it for one VFL club.

 

[Scoop]

I have no doubt about your talent spotting scoopy, but fixating on exceptions rather than the rule is low percentage.

Each year the undiscovered gems that fall in the draft get less and less. There are always a few, no doubt, but only a few and getting fewer. As a broad rul, class gets lower as the draft gets deeper.

Agree with your needs assessment, although I don't think the extent is as much as you, fair enough.

We need 4 classy fast players, don't care if the are 170 or 190, don't care if they are specialist mids, rovers, flankers, wingers, small forwards, call 'em whatever you want, we need 4 of 'em badly. 2 urgently. Ugrade our second of first pick with a player to get 2 first rounders this year, preferably 2 top 10 (we'll have 1, hopefully we can parcel a player up with our second rounder for a top 10-15.

Love to find a parker, but odds are against it, even a good solid fast citizen with our third would be good. To be clear, we should do our damndest to get a 3rd round top-liner, just saying the odds are against it.

Snakey, I'm not taking about gems. I'm talking second rounders and what we deem best value at a pick.

We picked Batchelor ahead of Luke Parker at 26. They both came from Dandenong. It's not like we weren't watching those games.

How we came to decide that was the pick is my concern. The process we are using is flawed. We don't draft genuine mids early. We take flankers and try to turn them into something they are not & I don't mean Batch. Take the ball winners. Take the blokes who kicks well. Take the bloke who kicks goals. Take the bleating obvious.

If a bozo like me can see that, why can't those who are doing the job for RFC? Because clearly our talent identification and the criteria we use to judge players on is flawed.

Collingwood got Steele Sidebottom & Dayne Beams in one freaking draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We took Jayden Post. And don't tell me it was a one off because Daniel Hannerbery went at 30 and Rory Sloane went at 44 in the same draft. We took two talls, Vickery & Post and traded pick 42 for Adam Thompson.

READ THAT AGAIN. Walk away with Vickery, Beams and Sloane and this conversation doesn't happen. And its not about what if's, its about how we decide who to pick.

We can't get one of a Sidebottom or a Beams in three drafts. What we value in junior talent outside of first rounders is flawed.

Massively. Take midfielders.

 

[tigersnake]

thats a convincing post scoop.

This year, I'd like to see us trade for another early pick, and concentrate on fast mids, for the whole draft.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

The Parker one killed me. I wanted Parker at that pick. I'll go it in to it later but he was touted as a top 5 pick as a underager and then had a so so second carnival and was picked apart for no good reason. It's in the search history. But I wanted Parker.

No, I've never tried knocking on the door but I would do anything to help. Wouldn't want any cash either.

Yep for sure. I had a guy at work who's son played along side Parker at the Stingrays so knew a bit about him. Yep he was touted a top 10 pick and I couldn't believe he was still on the board by our second pick. What a complete balls up.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Snakey, I'm not taking about gems. I'm talking second rounders and what we deem best value at a pick.

We picked Batchelor ahead of Luke Parker at 26. They both came from Dandenong. It's not like we weren't watching those games.

How we came to decide that was the pick is my concern. The process we are using is flawed. We don't draft genuine mids early. We take flankers and try to turn them into something they are not & I don't mean Batch. Take the ball winners. Take the blokes who kicks well. Take the bloke who kicks goals. Take the bleating obvious.

If a bozo like me can see that, why can't those who are doing the job for RFC? Because clearly our talent identification and the criteria we use to judge players on is flawed.

Collingwood got Steele Sidebottom & Dayne Beams in one freaking draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We took Jayden Post. And don't tell me it was a one off because Daniel Hannerbery went at 30 and Rory Sloane went at 44 in the same draft. We took two talls, Vickery & Post and traded pick 42 for Adam Thompson.

READ THAT AGAIN. Walk away with Vickery, Beams and Sloane and this conversation doesn't happen. And its not about what if's, its about how we decide who to pick.

We can't get one of a Sidebottom or a Beams in three drafts. What we value in junior talent outside of first rounders is flawed.

Massively. Take midfielders.

Great post. There's been some bloody good posting by pre members of late. It's a shame those who aren't paid the big bucks can see the obvious but those that are cannot. It's a *smile*' disgrace.

 

[Bill Haverchuck]

We take flankers and try to turn them into something they are not & I don't mean Batch.

One of the most annoying things about the RFC for as long as i have followed them.

Given the midfield is arguably the most important factor in winning games and our desperate
search for success i dont understand why we haven't gone all out and prioritised the midfield at stages
over the years.