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10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

Will Ben Cousins Be Playing In The AFL Next Year?

  • Yes, At The Eagles

    Votes: 9 3.4%
  • Yes, At Another Club

    Votes: 92 35.0%
  • No

    Votes: 136 51.7%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 26 9.9%

  • Total voters
    263
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This 4 Corners story on the ABC is worth a repost in light of recent events.

It's about the effects of 'ICE' and follows local addicts. It was shown earlier this year.

Well worth checking out if you haven't seen it.

http://abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20060320/
 
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Its so easy for people to harshly comment on Ben. I guess if you had experienced addiction problems firsthand, you wouldnt be so quick to degrade him as a human being.

Whats most sad, is that he is still one of the best players in the afl. His comeback proved this.
 
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He is one of the best players, it is really a shame.

I hope Ben wants to get better because it would be a shame if anything bad happens to him. I would suggest that unlike the a lot of people with addictions, he seems to have a fair amount of people willing to help, that is if he wants to help himself, that is really the first step in fighting addictions.


P.S. I do not hide the fact that I have always thought he was a cocky little b.
 
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Elmer said:
Addiction (by definition) is not something you turn off at the tap when it suits. From what has been reported he is addicted to a hard core narcotic and is not some 15yo caught smoking pot in their room. It's laughable and incredibly harsh the flawless characters who sit in judgement and say 'go *smile* yourself' you've had your one chance.

How does anyone know the efforts he's gone to? I would of thought flying to the other side of the world and entering rehab for a month to begin long-term rehabilition is admirable. For others it was nothing but a holiday camp or a place to run and hide. The fact that he has been afforded better support than most (not that we would all want the best for ourselves or our family in the same situation) seems an extra reason to ridicule, chide and dismiss.

It is a crying shame that someone (anyone) relatively young has thrown a great career and opportunities away and is now apparently fighting for his mental wellbeing. I suppose he wanted to be fired from the only thing he known since he was 16? Probably doesn't care about the public shame and disgrace he is bought on himself, family etc. I enjoyed watching him play and he was star that I would have loved to have seen in a Tigers jumper. I think offering a little bit of understanding and sympathy is pretty easy (and natural) and it certainly doesn't cost me or anyone else anything.

I don't condone what he's done. He's stuffed up royaly and will regret it for the rest of his life. Unfortunately now it seems he only 'cares' about drugs because he's an addict. It's highly regretable and a tradgedy for Ben. But there are some real heartless toss pots around here, happy to scream blue murder about bloody draft selections yet just at home viciously vilifying someone for failing the first step in rehab. Glad they're in the Tigers corner.

Smile you, *smile* head! Sick of do gooder idiots sucking up to spoilt brats.
Cusins is a tool! Nobody else in society gets all these chances thrown at them.
You think entering rehab is admirable, what a joke, he didnt pay for it mate.
Most junkies could never afford such luxuries. You idiots feeling sorry for a party boy, Joke!
Tell me what good has he done for society? Just cause hes a top sportsman everybodys there to lend a hand.
Com'on tell me, other than footy what makes him any more of a hard luck case than anyother user.
 
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the claw said:
i disagree cousins did what would allow him to continue playing footy he doesnt think he has a problem.as for his parents well they can only try but as with nearly all addicts there is not a thing they can do unless the addict is willing to admit he has a problem and let them help him. if you think parents have some sort of control over an addict or anybody you are gravely mistaken, this is what tears most families apart because parents have no say.

as for your hitting rock bottom comment you may be right some may learn to control their addiction before rock bottom most dont. in fact few addicts ever overcome their addictions.

Your spot on Claw. Serious addicts do not care about family or friends they are driven by the drug that drives them. Maybe dont care is not the right choice of words, but they are very singled minded at this time and who gets hurt in the process is of no consequence to them when in need. Here in lies the problem claw talks about in hitting rock bottom. Most won't admit or don't believe they are out of control until the sudden jolt at the bottom. Then it can be too late.

As Claw said many families are torn apart because parents don't really understand the reality of the situation they face. They let their love get in the way of sound judgement and emotion rules. Professional help only goes so far unless the person really wants that help and is prepared to make the sacrifices to make it work.
 
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Tigers of Old said:
Mainwairing toxicology reported on ch9 news.

Cocaine.
Ecstasy.
Cannabis.
Roaccutane.
Anti-depressants.
Alcohol.

:(

Thats one hell of a cocktail. The guy has obviously spiralled out of control at a rate of knots. Sad end to such a life.
 
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Roaccatane is a weird one-that's an acne drug.
 
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Robbo1 said:
Dont blame the AFL drugs policy - its not the problem. It will help those who want to be helped.
Cousins has continually believed he is above the law, hung out with the wrong people and avoided being brought to task over any wrongdoings. Others are to blame for this, not Ben.
But - he's refused to admit to his problems and had others do this for him. He shows no remorse, only a smugness that indicates he's bulletproof.
He has the means, family support and and entire club infrastructure around him to assist with his problems if he wanted to. He appears not to have utilised these.
I feel sorry for adicts and others with problems without any support network - I do not feel sorry for Ben.
Keep him away from RFC.

Yeah do blame the AFL drug policy. In so far as it failed to detect a player who has been a regular user of drugs during part of his time in the game. It shows it is not working and needs to be modified.

But your right in that it is not to blame for Cousins behaviour, just the fact that it failed to identify his problems earlier. I think it shows the need for more positive action to be taken earlier if a player is tested positive to try and prevent a repeat of this.

As you say Ben is his own worst enemy in this one.
 
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evo said:
mb64 said:
evo said:
Hmm,I'm not so sure the AFL will deregester Benny Boy.

On what legal basis could they do it?

He's never tested positive to the AFL sanctioned drug tests.All he's been done for is refusing to give a blood sample and a possession of Valium.
There will some clause he has breached.

Such as?

I'd say bringing the game into disrepute would be a fair start evo.
 
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Demetriou has stated that because the Eagles have delisted him he is no longer a registered player of the AFL.

If he wanted to nominate for the draft, his re-registration would have to be agreed to by the commission which he said would be highly unlikely.
 
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gustiger12 said:
I'd say bringing the game into disrepute would be a fair start evo.
yeah,thats what the AFL will hang it's hat on.

Personally it seems a pretty weak excuse to me.

Did Jeff Farmer bring the game into disrepute when he was done for belting his wife? Has Krakeour?

Has any number of other players over the years?

Doesn't bother me personally,they can deregister him (refuse to re-register him to be more accurate)if they like.Just seems excessive restaint of trade to me considering the 'evidence' they have against him.
 
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evo said:
gustiger12 said:
I'd say bringing the game into disrepute would be a fair start evo.
yeah,thats what the AFL will hang it's hat on.

Personally it seems a pretty weak excuse to me.

Did Jeff Farmer bring the game into disrepute when he was done for belting his wife? Has Krakeour?

Has any number of other players over the years?

Doesn't bother me personally,they can deregister him (refuse to re-register him to be more accurate)if they like.Just seems excessive restaint of trade to me considering the 'evidence' they have against him.

Agree. The AFL moral police only come out to play when the soccer mum community become outraged.
 
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An interesting point Evo. Krak woud probably escape as first offender, but Jeff Farmer mustn't be far behind Cousins as a serial offender.
 
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All Cousins needs to do is get his manager to ring the AFL to say they are going to court and HQ will fold.
 
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gustiger12 said:
Robbo1 said:
Dont blame the AFL drugs policy - its not the problem. It will help those who want to be helped.
Cousins has continually believed he is above the law, hung out with the wrong people and avoided being brought to task over any wrongdoings. Others are to blame for this, not Ben.
But - he's refused to admit to his problems and had others do this for him. He shows no remorse, only a smugness that indicates he's bulletproof.
He has the means, family support and and entire club infrastructure around him to assist with his problems if he wanted to. He appears not to have utilised these.
I feel sorry for adicts and others with problems without any support network - I do not feel sorry for Ben.
Keep him away from RFC.

Yeah do blame the AFL drug policy. In so far as it failed to detect a player who has been a regular user of drugs during part of his time in the game. It shows it is not working and needs to be modified.

But your right in that it is not to blame for Cousins behaviour, just the fact that it failed to identify his problems earlier. I think it shows the need for more positive action to be taken earlier if a player is tested positive to try and prevent a repeat of this.

As you say Ben is his own worst enemy in this one.


Hang on, are you saying that the gas chromatograph the drug testers used to test Ben is wrong, and the media and internet forums are right in saying that Ben Cousins is a drug addict?

Has it occured to any of you that the 17 odd times Ben was drug tested in the last couple of years he was clean of drugs, the testing methods with recreational drugs are very reliable, and if he was genuinely taking ice he would have had to have been clean for probably 3-4 days before the test.

So even assuming he was a regular drug user and he rolled the dice and won every single time, there were 68 days in the last couple of years that he wasn't on drugs. And with the nature of the drugs he was taking these were consecutive days.

Appart from the one press conference that Ben gave where he danced around the full story, the only people to call Ben a drug addict have been outside agencies, like the press because it sells newspapers, and the AFL because then he can be catagorised as having a medically treated addiction.

Has it occured to anybody that perhaps Ben isn't an "addict" and is quiet capable of going long periods of time without drugs if it suits him. Perhaps he is just a ratbag who thumbs his nose at the law and society and likes to go out and party hard with his mates for days on end.

I know heaps of people like Ben who hold down normal jobs and go several days during the week without taking drugs, and have no desire to do so. But on weekends they go for 24-36 hours on various uppers before taking a benzo, and passing out for 16 hours, and then get up and go to work again for another week. Ever heard of terrible Tuesdays? I don't call any of these people addicts.

I think if you really want to know what Ben is, forget about addict and get out your dictionary and look up "sociopath".
 
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evo said:
Just seems excessive restaint of trade to me considering the 'evidence' they have against him.

Hang on. This is hardly his first stoush with the law.

Who knows what we aren't aware of.

It's not a stretch to see why he's been de-registered by his club particularly in light of his recent contract re-negotiations.
 
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linuscambridge said:
gustiger12 said:
Robbo1 said:
Dont blame the AFL drugs policy - its not the problem. It will help those who want to be helped.
Cousins has continually believed he is above the law, hung out with the wrong people and avoided being brought to task over any wrongdoings. Others are to blame for this, not Ben.
But - he's refused to admit to his problems and had others do this for him. He shows no remorse, only a smugness that indicates he's bulletproof.
He has the means, family support and and entire club infrastructure around him to assist with his problems if he wanted to. He appears not to have utilised these.
I feel sorry for adicts and others with problems without any support network - I do not feel sorry for Ben.
Keep him away from RFC.

Yeah do blame the AFL drug policy. In so far as it failed to detect a player who has been a regular user of drugs during part of his time in the game. It shows it is not working and needs to be modified.

But your right in that it is not to blame for Cousins behaviour, just the fact that it failed to identify his problems earlier. I think it shows the need for more positive action to be taken earlier if a player is tested positive to try and prevent a repeat of this.

As you say Ben is his own worst enemy in this one.


Hang on, are you saying that the gas chromatograph the drug testers used to test Ben is wrong, and the media and internet forums are right in saying that Ben Cousins is a drug addict?

Has it occured to any of you that the 17 odd times Ben was drug tested in the last couple of years he was clean of drugs, the testing methods with recreational drugs are very reliable, and if he was genuinely taking ice he would have had to have been clean for probably 3-4 days before the test.

So even assuming he was a regular drug user and he rolled the dice and won every single time, there were 68 days in the last couple of years that he wasn't on drugs. And with the nature of the drugs he was taking these were consecutive days.

Appart from the one press conference that Ben gave where he danced around the full story, the only people to call Ben a drug addict have been outside agencies, like the press because it sells newspapers, and the AFL because then he can be catagorised as having a medically treated addiction.

Has it occured to anybody that perhaps Ben isn't an "addict" and is quiet capable of going long periods of time without drugs if it suits him. Perhaps he is just a ratbag who thumbs his nose at the law and society and likes to go out and party hard with his mates for days on end.

I know heaps of people like Ben who hold down normal jobs and go several days during the week without taking drugs, and have no desire to do so. But on weekends they go for 24-36 hours on various uppers before taking a benzo, and passing out for 16 hours, and then get up and go to work again for another week. Ever heard of terrible Tuesdays? I don't call any of these people addicts.

I think if you really want to know what Ben is, forget about addict and get out your dictionary and look up "sociopath".


So why did he go and get treatment for what his father termed a substance abuse problem?
 
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Cousins was hit with a number of conditions when he returned to football from drug rehab.

They are believed to include a zero tolerance clause to testing positive to banned substances, staying away from underworld figures and not falling foul of the law.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22606549-2,00.html
 
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Tigers of Old said:
Hang on. This is hardly his first stoush with the law.
It's the first time he's been busted for anything though.

The only other previous 'stoush' was the questioning with Gardy over the buisness in the pub.

Didaks was just as bad as that.Wheres my pound of flesh there! :mad: :mad:

Who knows what we aren't aware of.
Well exactly,he's apparantly "bringing the game into disrepute" because of media speculation and soccer mums imagination.Hows he responsible for that?

What has he actually done though that we know for sure about though?Facts.

So far,he's admitted he had a drug a probelem(in which he took action for) and refusing to give a blood test.

ooooooh.