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10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

Will Ben Cousins Be Playing In The AFL Next Year?

  • Yes, At The Eagles

    Votes: 9 3.4%

  • Yes, At Another Club

    Votes: 92 35.0%

  • No

    Votes: 136 51.7%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 26 9.9%
  • Total voters
    263
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the claw said:
firstly im not surprised. you dont go away for 10 or 12 weeks and become suddenly over your addiction.in fact you never get over your addiction. i am surprised at people being shocked that something like this has happened.

only one person can decide weather they are going to make a serious effort to beat their addiction and thats the person who is addicted. once an addict decides to help himself in most cases they relapse continually into old habits. it seems the few who do beat serious drug addiction have to hit rock bottom this hasnt happened in cousins case and is unlikely.

i also believe cousins doesnt need help from his employers. he has to help himself he has to be willing to be guided by his family no one else.

imo wce by allowing him to play football this yr have done more harm than good it gave cousins the idea he can ply and do drugs i know i havent said that very well i hope people get the gist of what im saying. for ben to get better he needs to bottom out thats a harsh call but its a fact .people who make excuses for him and bail him out of trouble are killing him with kindness. iknow this because i have seen drugs tear people apart who were dear to me.

its high time as a society we adopted a zero tolerance to drugs in our society before the whole fabric of society is torn apart if it hasnt been already.
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Fair comment, Claw.

Everything that we see from Cousins indicates that he doesn't really believe he has a problem, other than than others are giving him a hard time because they can't see his point of view. He is a very long way away from being healthy. WC played him this year because they wanted to win another flag. The message they sent to Cousins was that they didn't really disapprove of his behaviour and that he was OK as long as he kept out of the public eye.

As you say, he still has a long way to go before he hits rock bottom.

As a society, we are letting our kids down with our double standards. The attitude of WC and the AFL mirror this. Neither has been prepared to make a stand for what they say they think is right. It isn't surprising that our youth is confused.
 
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Benny got charged with possesion without prescription of Diazapan(valium type drug).
 
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do you think maybe he was doing ok until chris mainwaring died and that has sent him backwards...i feel a bit sorry for him actually....i wonder what it is that that underworld figure wants to say to the media but cant? ( that is what i read in todays paper)
 
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thats it? that is all he was charged with? holy shamoly..they obviously were out to get him for some reason....
 
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

TOT70 said:
Everything that we see from Cousins indicates that he doesn't really believe he has a problem, other than than others are giving him a hard time because they can't see his point of view. He is a very long way away from being healthy. WC played him this year because they wanted to win another flag. The message they sent to Cousins was that they didn't really disapprove of his behaviour and that he was OK as long as he kept out of the public eye.
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There are 2 ways to look at this TOT. Maybe they tried to get him back into the game sooner rather than later to try and keep him occupied and away from the scene rather than having him sitting around pondering life as he used to know it.

Its a difficult one, but as I said many times if they had of addressed the root of the issue when they knew about it, it may not have come to this. One thing I have learnt that is if you try to sweep things under the table in this day and age, sooner or later it comes back to bite you on the arse.

This is where Adolf and his three strike rule also fails players. When those first signs are there you must address it or the problem will continue and generally degenerate as it did with Cousins.
 
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ronnit said:
do you think maybe he was doing ok until chris mainwaring died and that has sent him backwards...i feel a bit sorry for him actually....i wonder what it is that that underworld figure wants to say to the media but cant? ( that is what i read in todays paper)
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You mean convicted heroin Trafficker John Kizon. Dare say he could reveal a lot as he was the one Cousins and Gardner were alleged to be associating with sometime back.
 
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the claw said:
firstly im not surprised. you dont go away for 10 or 12 weeks and become suddenly over your addiction.in fact you never get over your addiction. i am surprised at people being shocked that something like this has happened.

only one person can decide weather they are going to make a serious effort to beat their addiction and thats the person who is addicted. once an addict decides to help himself in most cases they relapse continually into old habits. it seems the few who do beat serious drug addiction have to hit rock bottom this hasnt happened in cousins case and is unlikely.

i also believe cousins doesnt need help from his employers. he has to help himself he has to be willing to be guided by his family no one else.

imo wce by allowing him to play football this yr have done more harm than good it gave cousins the idea he can ply and do drugs i know i havent said that very well i hope people get the gist of what im saying. for ben to get better he needs to bottom out thats a harsh call but its a fact .people who make excuses for him and bail him out of trouble are killing him with kindness. iknow this because i have seen drugs tear people apart who were dear to me.

its high time as a society we adopted a zero tolerance to drugs in our society before the whole fabric of society is torn apart if it hasnt been already.
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Don't agee. Addiction is a disease which can be treated successfully well before the addict reaches rock bottom. The thing about Ben is that he knows he has a problem. And he attempted to deal with it. But to go to the US and then to return to the Eagles and to his life in Perth, was always fraught with danger.

Frankly it is clear that his parents relinquished control a long time ago. Not blaming them but they lack the ability to exercise any control now. He needs to move and we have the abilty to provide the support that the Eagles could not. Weightman, Johnson, JON, Richo, Bowden, Lids, Mcguane, Dan Connors.. these with the rest of the team are good kids who are more than capable of 'teaming up' to do the job which is exactly what is needed.

The most important thing is this. If Ben leaves the game in these circumstances, his chances of recovering control over his own life and dealing with his guilt and recrimination while looking at 4 walls in Perth or wherever, are zip...

On the other hand with some considerable effort the Tigers can do him a world of good.
 
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yes him....i forgot his name but yes him...he says he could say a lot of things about what is going on but he wont...naturally! he probably likes to live :)
 
Re: We should seriously look at Ben Cousins.

gustiger12 said:
It is his continuing blatant disregard for the rules that have been imposed upon him, not to mention stipulated in his contract.

The AFL has the right to deregister a player for bringing the game into disrepute and Cousins has done that several times now. He has had more that three chances, its just they were officially listed as strikes.
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You'll get no argument from me there gus.

As for Richmond picking him up?

40ft rule applies.
 
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evo said:
Benny got charged with possesion without prescription of Diazapan(valium type drug).
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Geez. That's what they got him for? Hope my mum's phone's not tapped. She got some from my auntie. Shirtless handcuffing of your mum. How would that be? Lucky she doesn't live in Kentucky. Lucky for us all.

It answers one question I had: how strong does the downer have to be? I was thinking they might need something stronger.
 
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momentai said:
The thing about Ben is that he knows he has a problem. And he attempted to deal with it.
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I disagree. The whole Rehab clinic thing wasn't something he seemed to want to do. He hasn't accepted there is a problem. He doesn't think he has an addiction. he thinks he's in control when sadly he's not. His forced apology showed that he really didn't believe what he was saying.

He hasn't reached that point where he sees it as a problem.
 
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COUSINS is only a sympton of a totally inept drugs policy that has failed all players and clubs badly. It is beyond belief that as a known user the AFL did not test him. They are totally f'd in the head that "the brand must be protected" rules everything they do.
Also, Benny Gale has bought in to the AFL brainwashing club which saddens me immensely.
 
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Sky news Ben cusins sacked from Eagles Press confrence on now live
 
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RFC is a football club not a well paying Rehab centre.

Ben should not be allowed within a 1000 km of the RFC.

He made the choice now suffer the consequences, not one iota of sympathy from me.
 
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Family dobbed him in......"be easy on him, happy for him to be embarrassed"
 
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