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10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

Will Ben Cousins Be Playing In The AFL Next Year?

  • Yes, At The Eagles

    Votes: 9 3.4%
  • Yes, At Another Club

    Votes: 92 35.0%
  • No

    Votes: 136 51.7%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 26 9.9%

  • Total voters
    263
Well said Remote....Cuz is very important down there at Tigerland, Ive watched him often at training, and the young guys just feed off his enthusiasm and hang off every word.....he's done it all, yes i know some of it forgetable, but on field leads by example and when the "s" was going to hit hte fan late in tha last quarter it was Cuz who took it by the balls and said, "Ok boys its Cuz time....off to Newy then lace out to Jack....quick, simple efficient.....game over.

He'll be there next year just watch... :clap
 
RemoteTiger said:
ToO you have never truly liked the idea of an exjunkie playing in the Yellow and Black and you have been against Cousins coming to Tigerland.

Don't think it's a great secret that I didn't want Cousins at the time Remote.

Though it was a consideration, that decision was not purely because he was an 'exjunkie' (which I along with 15 other teams thought carried a significant risk).
I also thought we should be investing in a younger player given where we were at in terms of our list.

I worried about adding to a pile of 30+ plus players who were a lot closer to the end than the beginning.
I saw us taking a punt on Ben as yet another quick fix in the hope of making the 8 in Wallet's last year.
The rest is history.

Most of those 30+ year olds have now departed as the club rebuilds.
Now going forward our focus is on youth & Hardwick would not have taken Ben in the PSD this year.

However Remote Tiger, putting aside the club's reasons for Ben's initial recruitment, no doubt there have been added benefits to having him at Richmond since.
His experience & leadership has been useful, that's now apparent & I have credited him & the club with his personal recovery more than once on these boards.

I argue that these peripherals have been largely unquantifiable in terms of usefulness but it's clear that it's been on the positive side of the ledger.
Again though that he has been able to provide these benefits has been an added bonus to the main reason he was recruited in 2009.

Purely from a playing perspective which is more measurable, Cousins been above average in his 25 games for us with a mixture of the very good and the ordinary.
He's not near the highly decorated player he was, that's for certain but is still contributing albeit at a reduced level.

RemoteTiger said:
Today when the game was there to be won - Cousins burst through a pack of players scrummaging for the ball - picked up that ball deftly handpassed it to Newman who drilled it lace our to Jack. Goal to the Tigers.

Yes he was very good in that particular instance.

I also saw him caught with the ball on a few occasions, struggle with pace and his disposal was again scratchy in several instances.
He is a shadow of the player he was at West Coast.

RemoteTiger said:
Cousins further marshalled the troops

Newman is our skipper. That won't change next season with or without Ben.
As I have already said Cousins leadership has been useful but we now have several young leaders beginning to emerge who should be able go on with it from here.

RemoteTiger said:
and put his body on the line numerous times to shephard and protect his team mates.

I expect all our players to put their bodies on the line. Ben is no exception.

RemoteTiger said:
And the scene at the end of the game where Cousins who could barely raise a trot because he had given his all, jogged up to Delidio and the two embraced in a victory hug - you could tell that Delidio and his fellow young players have so much respect for their on-field mentor.

All our players celebrated the victory as you would expect. Ben was no exception.

RemoteTiger said:
And you could tell he was rapt with the way his young team mates stood up and played today.

Lots of our players were rapt with the way we played. Ben is just one of them.

RemoteTiger said:
if he continues next year will continue to be very good for this RFC team. And thats a fact.............

That's not a fact at all, that's your opinion. Which you are entitled to of course.
In my opinion Cousins is no certainty to continue next year.

I gave him a wrap last week and thought he was excellent against Brisbane.
That's the level of output I expect at a minimum from a veteran player to get another year.
I didn't see that performance yesterday. Like I have said he was ok.

Overall though his season has been pretty ordinary so far by his previous standards and I believe his form still needs to get better to justify his place on the list going forward.

As I have said before, the end can come very quickly for players at Ben's age.
As we have seen with the likes of K Johnson, Bowden, Brown, Simmonds etc. it doesn't take much to go from a team leader to a list clogger once you are on the downward slope of your career.

If Ben gets another contract it should be based purely on form, not the intangible peripherals that many seem to think is enough of a reason.
I still see a player in decline and will continue to call it as I see it no matter who likes it and who doesn't.

The best of Cousins is over. I would rather be giving opportunities to a young player on the way up, than one on the way down.
It is the youngsters who are getting me excited and giving me hope for the future.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Don't think it's a great secret that I didn't want Cousins at the time Remote.

If Ben gets another contract it should be based purely on form, not the intangible peripherals that many seem to think is enough of a reason.
I still see a player in decline and will continue to call it as I see it no matter who likes it and who doesn't.

The best of Cousins is over. I would rather be giving opportunities to a young player on the way up, than one on the way down.
It is the youngsters who are getting me excited and giving me hope for the future.

Firstly - thank you for a sane argument rather than name calling.

Secondly the youngsters today and next season need a mentor on the ground - particularly in close matches where positioning and quick decisions can determine a game. Cousins is doing that to perfection at the moment IMO. Newman is our captain but he is not in the mid-field as much as Cousins and it is in the mid-field where the game is won or lost.

I feel with the remaining games of this year and all 22 rounds of next year our young mid-field being on-field mentored by Cousins will be ready in 2012 to take on the best mid-fields of the comp without the need of a mentor.

Our youngun's are not quite ready to fly solo - not just yet!..........
 
Tigers of Old said:
Don't think it's a great secret that I didn't want Cousins at the time Remote.

Though it was a consideration, that decision was not purely because he was an 'exjunkie' (which I along with 15 other teams thought carried a significant risk).
I also thought we should be investing in a younger player given where we were at in terms of our list.

I worried about adding to a pile of 30+ plus players who were a lot closer to the end than the beginning.
I saw us taking a punt on Ben as yet another quick fix in the hope of making the 8 in Wallet's last year.
The rest is history.

Most of those 30+ year olds have now departed as the club rebuilds.
Now going forward our focus is on youth & Hardwick would not have taken Ben in the PSD this year.

However Remote Tiger, putting aside the club's reasons for Ben's initial recruitment, no doubt there have been added benefits to having him at Richmond since.
His experience & leadership has been useful, that's now apparent & I have credited him & the club with his personal recovery more than once on these boards.

I argue that these peripherals have been largely unquantifiable in terms of usefulness but it's clear that it's been on the positive side of the ledger.
Again though that he has been able to provide these benefits has been an added bonus to the main reason he was recruited in 2009.

Purely from a playing perspective which is more measurable, Cousins been above average in his 25 games for us with a mixture of the very good and the ordinary.
He's not near the highly decorated player he was, that's for certain but is still contributing albeit at a reduced level.

Yes he was very good in that particular instance.

I also saw him caught with the ball on a few occasions, struggle with pace and his disposal was again scratchy in several instances.
He is a shadow of the player he was at West Coast.

Newman is our skipper. That won't change next season with or without Ben.
As I have already said Cousins leadership has been useful but we now have several young leaders beginning to emerge who should be able go on with it from here.

I expect all our players to put their bodies on the line. Ben is no exception.

All our players celebrated the victory as you would expect. Ben was no exception.

Lots of our players were rapt with the way we played. Ben is just one of them.

That's not a fact at all, that's your opinion. Which you are entitled to of course.
In my opinion Cousins is no certainty to continue next year.

I gave him a wrap last week and thought he was excellent against Brisbane.
That's the level of output I expect at a minimum from a veteran player to get another year.
I didn't see that performance yesterday. Like I have said he was ok.

Overall though his season has been pretty ordinary so far by his previous standards and I believe his form still needs to get better to justify his place on the list going forward.

As I have said before, the end can come very quickly for players at Ben's age.
As we have seen with the likes of K Johnson, Bowden, Brown, Simmonds etc. it doesn't take much to go from a team leader to a list clogger once you are on the downward slope of your career.

If Ben gets another contract it should be based purely on form, not the intangible peripherals that many seem to think is enough of a reason.
I still see a player in decline and will continue to call it as I see it no matter who likes it and who doesn't.

The best of Cousins is over. I would rather be giving opportunities to a young player on the way up, than one on the way down.
It is the youngsters who are getting me excited and giving me hope for the future.
In summary....... I, ToO, admit I was wrong about us getting Cuz but one day I may be proven right. In the meantime Cuz has given great value to RFC 8)
 
If Ben can continue his form of the past 4-5 weeks, I don't think there's any reason why he can't go around again, even in the knowledge that it will be a reduced role. It may be left in his hands though as we may not want him on our list when he releases his controversial DVD, that being said, I think it will only shine a positive light of the RFC and having him around when he does will offer further structure and support he can focus on while the fallout from the information released is processed.

He's effectively a playing assistant coach out there now and I'm happy to admit I got it wrong in thinking we shouldn't have brought Ben Cousins to Tigerland back before the PSD in 2008.
 
He's effectively a playing assistant coach out there now .......


Exactly right Zero.

Great support for Newman who's leadership style seems to be a 'walker' rather than a 'talker'.

Great for Hardwick, wouldn't any coach love to be able to have a quick word with a player, right after the play, rather than wait till a break, drag the player ot send out a runner.

Great example for the young players. Seems to me that he is a huge part of the new attitude and team first philosophy at Richmond.
Seems to me he is saying, that no matter what happens off the field, ignore past mistakes. On the field it is you, your mates and support staff against everyone else.


Leave nothing behind, no regrets.
 
ZeroGame said:
If Ben can continue his form of the past 4-5 weeks, I don't think there's any reason why he can't go around again, even in the knowledge that it will be a reduced role. It may be left in his hands though as we may not want him on our list when he releases his controversial DVD, that being said, I think it will only shine a positive light of the RFC and having him around when he does will offer further structure and support he can focus on while the fallout from the information released is processed.

He's effectively a playing assistant coach out there now and I'm happy to admit I got it wrong in thinking we shouldn't have brought Ben Cousins to Tigerland back before the PSD in 2008.

Interesting point Mr Nothing. As long as there's nothing we need to worry about, the DVD could be worth a fair bit as publicity for the club. Not just because people will be talking about a Tiges player, but if it shows a transition from a troubled soul, to recovering addict, to re-focussed maturer person, with the RFC the only one prepared to give him a fair go, it could gives us a real positive kick. Much better that the sort of slimey publicity the tankers got over Ju$$.

It would really complement nicely a push up the ladder next year.
 
look I dont think Ben Cousins is anywhere near his best playing days - but he should be given another year, why because at the price we would pay him we would get a great return on the investment.

How many premiership players do we have on our list?
 
tigertime2 said:
look I dont think Ben Cousins is anywhere near his best playing days - but he should be given another year, why because at the price we would pay him we would get a great return on the investment.

How many premiership players do we have on our list?

Agree, more to the point, when Cuz retires, RFC should make damn sure he is kept on as an Assistant Coach under Dimma, we cannot afford to lose Cuz's experience and knowledge, not now.
 
I don't get excited when I watch Cousins play, not matter how good he is. I get excited when I see our young kids do well.

That's not to say I don't enjoy watching him when he plays well for us, it just doesn't excite me because he's not our future.

How good is he at being a leader, inspiration, whatever to our young kids ? I guess we'll find out at years end. On pure football form, as a 32yo, I don't think he warrants another year. I would rather have another kid out there. But if Beavis and crew agree with the Cousins Lovers (are they all Tasmanians by any chance ?) that his ability to lead and inspire is too good to lose, he'll be running around again next year.
 
Ben Cousins has just been rushed to Intensive care!



Witnesses say Cousins appeared unconscious as he was wheeled on a stretcher after arriving by ambulance at approximately 11.45am today.

Richmond officials have been unavailable for comment.

More details to follow ...
 
michael roach said:
Ben Cousins has just been rushed to Intensive care!



Witnesses say Cousins appeared unconscious as he was wheeled on a stretcher after arriving by ambulance at approximately 11.45am today.

Richmond officials have been unavailable for comment.

More details to follow ...

Where did u get this from?
 
Nothing in the Hun or Age Breaking News sections about all this. Ditto ABC News, Fox Sports News and Sky News, nothing mentioned.

Perhaps Channel 9 jumped the gun somewhat, I'm surprised there is no mention of Cuz on the other news sites, or television channels.
 
Just wondering what folks thought of Cousins game today?

I notice he's almost universally been given the tick as our best player against the Roos. I too thought he was near our best if not our best.
Not that it said much..

I couldn't say with confidence that he beat his opponent and despite his number of possessions I sat there thinking he's having little impact on the contest and still looks very slow.
I was actually very surprised to see his stats at game's end.

I'll no doubt cop flak from his numerous supporters but personally speaking if that's the best Ben's got to give at this stage, then there's no way known I would give him another year. I expect several players would pass him.

Also I think our young side showed more passion without him there last week than with him there today. So go figure that.
 
Thought he was good today, if he was a youngster coming on , it would be very exciting, still think he adds good value, though I think come rd 1 2011 it will be Foley IN Cuz Out ;)
 
Played well in the first half.
The short pass inside 50 prior to 1/2 time was a bad decision. We had some momentum and the kick needed to be long.
Wont be at Richmond next year.