10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

[ROLLS ROYCE]

One year is the obvious option.

What.....u think he might be in Saints of Lions colours in 2010. No, this is BC's last stop and we r in the driving seat.

Trust the club, despite a few bumbles over the past week, to have people smart enough to have him sign a deal with our best interests at heart.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Welcome aboard Benny, Hope you don't get gifted a game round 1 but get a game through pre-season form.

 

[the claw]

3 monthly contracts. the amount of time a hair test can trace drugs back. all this shoulder slapping he hasnt played a game yet or passed a hair test.

i can smell blood and more than likely it will be from the rfc veins. the only answer to this is lets wait and see.

people are treating cousins as a messiah it can only end in tears. we have him as a player i look on him as a vampire with access to the blood bank hes not to be trusted. he has a lot of proving himself to do.

 

[powerful and brave 12]

Welcome to tigerland cuz i hope it works out for all of us. as every other Victorian club will be waiting for you to fall. once you get in to punt road
and feel the ghosts of tiger greats past all around you it will feel like home. just don't use brownies moisturizer he hates that!
good luck champ your one of us now......"utrinque paratus"

 

[momentai]

One year is the obvious option.

What.....u think he might be in Saints of Lions colours in 2010. No, this is BC's last stop and we r in the driving seat.

Trust the club, despite a few bumbles over the past week, to have people smart enough to have him sign a deal with our best interests at heart.

Have to agree that 1 year was the correct option.

As to his drug history it is now the case that unlike any other licensed player he is denied the three strikes rule and will be sacked by the AFL if there is even one breach, either that he tests positive or refuses a test request, or otherwise makes himself unavailable which almost certainly now includes shaving to prevent a hair folicle test.

Have to say there is a bit of them against us in this, especially when you look at the number of twice outed players who successfully participated in last years final series.

It has now been about a month since he joined us and all indications are that he has got through this unscathed.

Warmest congratulations Ben and in the words of the immortal, 'Stick it up em'.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Agree ToO and I think that is all we have given him.

Am pleased the club took the cautious approach to his contract Westie.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

It has now been about a month since he joined us and all indications are that he has got through this unscathed.

Warmest congratulations Ben and in the words of the immortal, 'Stick it up em'.

He has a long way to go yet. Agree with your sentiment though, I hope he is using all the parasites in the media (or jealous supporters of other clubs waiting for him to fall over over) as motivation to really put them all to shame.

 

[Rosy]

Have to say there is a bit of them against us in this, especially when you look at the number of twice outed players who successfully participated in last years final series.

Without mentioning names how many players who successfully participated in the finals series were twice outed, who were they outed by and what exactly were they outed for?

 

[momentai]

I'll reply privately.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Interesting to see that Benny was saying in a recent surf mag that he pulled his Hip Flexor while surfing on a surf trip in May. He had hoped to get back to the trip but had to stay home at Perth when it turned into a 6-8 week injury.

Gives some more light on all those rumours he had hurt himself again training during the year.

 

[rexy]

Without mentioning names how many players who successfully participated in the finals series were twice outed, who were they outed by and what exactly were they outed for?

The fact that we have to gag ourselves on this issue but can openly report names involved in drunken rampages and sordid extra marital affairs is just wrong.

 

[Rosy]

The fact that we have to gag ourselves on this issue but can openly report names involved in drunken rampages and sordid extra marital affairs is just wrong.

I'm not questioning whether it's wrong or not, although I'm sure the same rules apply for the scenarios you mention. You can't make inaccurate or fabricated claims naming individuals, especially with no evidence to support the claims. 

There have been repeated comments on PRE regarding players being outed with 2 strikes, I've even been told the same about one of our own players, but as far as I'm aware, and thus my question to momentai, there has been no official confirmation of the allegations.  It all seems to be rumour and innuendo and it puts us at serious risk of legal action.

The fact is I have been contacted by senior solicitors representing both the media and the AFL in regard to naming players and to do so without factual evidence jeopardises the future of PRE.  I can't afford, either financially or emotionally, to fight a legal battle.

P.S. The AFL were successful in the case in regard to players not being named for positive drug tests.  It is illegal to do so.

 

[the claw]

I'm not questioning whether it's wrong or not, although I'm sure the same rules apply for the scenarios you mention. You can't make inaccurate or fabricated claims naming individuals, especially with no evidence to support the claims.

There have been repeated comments on PRE regarding players being outed with 2 strikes, I've even been told the same about one of our own players, but as far as I'm aware, and thus my question to momentai, there has been no official confirmation of the allegations. It all seems to be rumour and innuendo and it puts us at serious risk of legal action.

The fact is I have been contacted by senior solicitors representing both the media and the AFL in regard to naming players and to do so without factual evidence jeopardises the future of PRE. I can't afford, either financially or emotionally, to fight a legal battle.

P.S. The AFL were successful in the case in regard to players not being named for positive drug tests. It is illegal to do so.

everyone knows who the 3 players were on two strikes they were named in the media before their names were quickly removed.
and yes one them is a tiger and no its not ben cousins.

 

[Rosy]

....... the 3 players were on two strikes they were named in the media .....

....one them is a tiger and no its not ben cousins.

Piffle. There weren't any Richmond players named in the media for being on 2 strikes.

 

[WesternTiger]

Piffle. There weren't any Richmond players named in the media for being on 2 strikes.

Wasn't at the time but he is now.

Come on Rosy you know who it is!

 

[Rosy]

Wasn't at the time but he is now.

Where has he been named in the media? A link would be appreciated. I'd be amazed if a player has been named after the court ruling on the matter and I'd be even more amazed if one of our players was publicly named and it didn't cause a furore on PRE.

Come on Rosy you know who it is!

Come on Rosy nothing. I don't "know" who it is at all. I know who it's alleged to be, then again I've heard 2 players mentioned so who knows. That doesn't make it fact though. I'm not aware of any official media claims regarding a Richmond player on 2 strikes so as far as I'm aware it's nothing but rumour.

The conflicting claims only add to my concerns about naming players on PRE.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Pretty sure the names were released by Ch7 until an injunction was placed on them and the information suppressed pretty quickly.

Wasn't some woman charged over leaking the info? Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[Rosy]

That's the case I'm referring to that I was contacted by the solicitors over ToO. The players named were all from one club and it wasn't Richmond. Charges were laid against the people who stole the records and it was in court in the last few weeks.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Drugs claim rocks AFL

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/drugs-claim-rocks-afl/2007/08/24/1187462527275.html

Dan Silkstone | August 25, 2007 The AGE

THE AFL illicit drugs policy was in crisis last night as confidential medical records identifying two players who had tested positive to illegal drugs were sold to a commercial television station.

The documents contain explosive claims against two players from the same club and became the subject of a legal injunction last night, taken out by the doctor who is treating the two men.

The documents also contain claims that other players at the club regularly use drugs.

The legal action came too late to stop Channel Seven airing the allegations as part of its news bulletin. The report did not identify the players but did disclose their club, as well as details about the frequency and nature of their drug use.

The club was scrambling last night to try to learn the names of the players from the AFL, damaged by the public leak of information that senior club officials were not entitled to be told.

Under the AFL's controversial three-strikes illicit drug policy, clubs cannot be told of a player's drug use until he has returned a third positive test. That system — attacked by the Federal Government as too lenient in recent months — was in crisis last night.

The documents, which were paid for by Channel Seven, appear to be medical records of two players, referred to Ivanhoe's Victorian Addiction Centre by the clubs.

Under the three-strikes policy, after the second positive test, a club doctor is told.

The chief executive of the club involved reportedly had said he was not aware of the positive test.

Several officials from clubs have been vocal opponents of the AFL's policy.

Lawyers acting for the doctor treating the players — Professor Gregory Whelan — sought and obtained an injunction last night, preventing publication of the players' names or the club they represent. During its news program, Channel Seven said it had decided not to identify either player at the present time but was "continuing our investigations".

A woman interviewed as part of the Seven report claimed she found the papers in the gutter outside the Ivanhoe facility and could not return them because a gate to the centre was locked.

"I was just walking down the street when I saw some papers floating. I thought I'd pick them up and put them in the bin … I had a look and I recognised the names," said the woman, whose identity was obscured by the network. "I thought it was a shame I'd found them in the street."

Instead, she said, she sold the records to Channel Seven because she thought it would help the players involved. The Age understands the claim that the papers were found in the gutter is disputed. The centre's management said last night that it had no comment.

Last year, several media organisation were refused permission to name three players who had tested positive twice to illicit drugs under the AFL regime.

The three strikes policy has been attacked by the Federal Government this year as being excessively lenient. Sport Minister George Brandis has argued that the AFL policy sends the wrong message because players are not punished after returning a single positive test.


My bad. Seemed they weren't named publicly by the media.(see story above)..

That's the case I'm referring to that I was contacted by the solicitors over ToO. The players named were all from one club and it wasn't Richmond. Charges were laid against the people who stole the records and it was in court in the last few weeks.

Thanks rosy. I wasn't sure been a fair bit of water under the bridge since then dedicated to a current Richmond player.. ;D

 

[Rosy]

A couple more articles for you ToO. I was even questioned by the solicitors in regard to people requesting PMs naming the players even though the names had been removed from the forum.