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10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

Will Ben Cousins Be Playing In The AFL Next Year?

  • Yes, At The Eagles

    Votes: 9 3.4%

  • Yes, At Another Club

    Votes: 92 35.0%

  • No

    Votes: 136 51.7%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 26 9.9%
  • Total voters
    263
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

momentai said:
Top 6!! Only Geelong, Hawthorn, North, Adelaide and possibly Brisbane have better lists. ;D

Ben as a trainer has few peers and would show our boys what is needed to make it to the top.
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You hang a lot of your assumptions on his training ability, but it has yet to be established that he retains his mental capacity for such training. Like I said, in theory check it out, in practice I've heard it ain't there.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

mld
I havnt heard any whiff of a suggestion that Ben has been training in a team situation since his suspension. Sure your not making this up?
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

momentai said:
Top 6!! Only Geelong, Hawthorn, North, Adelaide and possibly Brisbane have better lists. ;D

Ben as a trainer has few peers and would show our boys what is needed to make it to the top.
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so i take it you are expecting a top 6 finish.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

momentai said:
mld
I havnt heard any whiff of a suggestion that Ben has been training in a team situation since his suspension. Sure your not making this up?
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I didn't say that he had been. I've simply heard that he isn't in a mental position to resume training.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

mld said:
I didn't say that he had been. I've simply heard that he isn't in a mental position to resume training.
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So you are mates with his psychiatrist?
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

the claw said:
why is that oldie what has changed to all of a sudden make cousins lose his ability. for what its worth if we were a top 6 side i would go after him alas we are not.
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Largely for the reasons Mopsy outlined in his post claw.

Ben Cousins was a gun no doubt. It was quite amazing the way he came back after the first time out of the game and picked up 38 disposals after his initial stint in rehab but as we know now he wasn't rehabilitated at the time.
By the time we rock around again after his suspension, it will have been almost two years without footy(aside from the cameo) and most importantly, one outside of a football environment and off the gear.. Primarily for those reasons, at 31 I'd suggest he's on the slope.

The hamstring injury at the end of '07 was a sign that his body wasn't right and his commitment to the game had clearly waned in the early stages of last season. Momentai goes on about him being a peerless trainer but he wasn't even showing up to training before the Eagles punted him.
After so much free time out of the game, can he rediscover the hunger?

Whilst there's no evidence only speculation, you can't help but wonder what effect his mental state is like once he comes off the stuff he's been on.
I'm not talking match days, just in general. When/if he renters the game Cousins won't be able to blow his nose without being watched or tested.
The party days will have to be over for Cuz if he re enters the AFL & Benny does like a party. Does he want that scrutiny more than his career which is near the end?

I actually met him briefly last month in Thailand and was fortunate enough to have had a chat with him.
Nice enough guy, although he seemed a little distant and walked like a Jones boy. Mind you it was 6.30 am in the morning.
I also met some guys who'd been drinking with a couple of nights before, they had some interesting things to say but I won't air them here.
No it wasn't drug related.

I wish Cousins all the best but the proof is in the pud as to whether he can come back or even wants to.
Those around him will know where Benny is at more than any of us here so we can only speculate until then.
It will all unfold in due course.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

And if he does fail you will sit back and finger your high collar and think to yourself how right I was. :beer
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

Not now. If we were in "the window" so to speak and ihad immensely strong leaders then maybe. That said, I would love our youngsters to witness his work rate at training .. apparently it was unbelievable. Cousins, Crawford and Rob Harvey stand out to me as the elite endurance athletes of the last 10-15 years. Apparently Cuz would spew up after most games such was his willingness to run. For that alone I commend him.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

I'm happy for our players to witness Foley's work rate at training.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

we've stars by the dozens, who needs a cousins?

Leave the fuzz to deal with the cuzz
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

momentai said:
A lot of West Coast people think that Ben Cousins was the greatest player in the history of the club. I agree with them. I would also argue that he has been their greatest ever on field leader.

He is no longer an Eagle and there is a very good chance that he is now looking for a new home.

Put yourself in his shoes. Is he going to go into the PSD with the strong probability of being drafted by Melbourne, Essendon or Freemantle- which is what will happen if he starts playing in the VFL or SANFL or does he go underground and enter into an arrangement with someone like Malthouse, who knows only too well how good a trainer Ben is and what he could mean to the Pies premiership aspirations.

All I am asking is that we don't allow ourselves to be lulled into doing nothing and that we talk to him at every opportunity.

Don't give up on the idea that we will soon have an opportunity to get one of the greatest players of the modern era to our club and do so at the expense of the Pies.
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The answer would be No.
It comes down to his attitude.
If he can let his Club down [West Coast] like he did where he was at the club for 10yrs or so and a Captain of the club,There is no way in hell he,ll settle down with us or any other club for that matter.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

Apparently I am misunderstood. :-\
All I have said is that at this point there is every liklihood that Ben will nominate for the PSD and also a big chance that Malthouse has already spoken to him about his progress and the possibility that if he doesn't play AFL/SANFL his chances of slipping to Collingwoods pick in the PSD will strengthen.

As for all this criticism about Ben letting the Eagles down by whatever means, I think some of you need to take a step back and appreciate that he has been a drug addict and that that activity has had an adverse effect on all aspects of his life.

What we need to do now as a football club is to meet and talk with Ben (and maybe his medical advsers?) to help assess whether he is likely to be able to make a return to footy. Tiger of Old and others who think they are in a position to make that decision for the RFC themselves, based on their own views of drug taking, limited experience and no understandind of Bens current situation, (necessarily) provide uninformed opinion on that question.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?


momentai said:
Apparently I am misunderstood. :-\
All I have said is that at this point there is every liklihood that Ben will nominate for the PSD ...
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As I understand it Ben Cousins CANNOT nominate for the PSD.

He has to nominate for the ND. And IMO there is no way he will slip through that unless he is 100kg plus. Sorry forgot about Stuart Dew. Make that 150kg plus.

That leaves Sydney or StKilda to use its first rounder. Maybe. Although I sincerely hope Collingwood does. Or even better- Carlton. But I don't think we should.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

Bit of a surprise if true Jack. Last year he was destined for the PSD until he was suspended. Don't understand what has changed? For the record I wouldn't want to use our no 16 pick on Ben either.
 
Re: Ben Cousins, approach or stand back and let the wowsers have their way?

He is NOT the future of our club.

We are not at the stage where we can top up with an older type player.

Leave well alone, damaged goods.
 
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