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Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
I have visions of JB staggering the streets alone crying into his Bacardi Breezers come Monday night.
I have visions of JB staggering the streets alone crying into his Bacardi Breezers come Monday night.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
As previously suggested I think Ben may be permitted to register for the PSD and later play, subject to him passing a series of medical reviews over say the next 12 months.
One issue which may weigh against him simply being deregistered altogether for 2008, is that if he he is left to stand out of the game next year, there will be an even greater incentive for teams to tank, after say the first half of next season.
This last season saw the competition blatently compromised by the approach taken by Carlton. I don't think the AFL would like to see that repeated in 08.
As previously suggested I think Ben may be permitted to register for the PSD and later play, subject to him passing a series of medical reviews over say the next 12 months.
One issue which may weigh against him simply being deregistered altogether for 2008, is that if he he is left to stand out of the game next year, there will be an even greater incentive for teams to tank, after say the first half of next season.
This last season saw the competition blatently compromised by the approach taken by Carlton. I don't think the AFL would like to see that repeated in 08.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Agree we must think carefully and that the playing group should be consulted before taking such a step. There would also need to be a clear plan put to Cousins and his family, which should probably include a compulsory 3-6 months residential stay here in Melbourne, coupled with ongoing medical and psychiatric support, all agreed to by Cousins.
If we take him on say a two year contract and implement such a plan and Cousins walks out on us, surely the spin could only possibly be that we did our best.
TOO,Tigers of Old said:
Agree we must think carefully and that the playing group should be consulted before taking such a step. There would also need to be a clear plan put to Cousins and his family, which should probably include a compulsory 3-6 months residential stay here in Melbourne, coupled with ongoing medical and psychiatric support, all agreed to by Cousins.
If we take him on say a two year contract and implement such a plan and Cousins walks out on us, surely the spin could only possibly be that we did our best.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
What concerns me most is that the once mighty eagles:
1. Have players punching on with each other, not once, but several times;
2. An alleged history of a drug culture;
3. Sacked a former Captain, premiership player, and brownlow medallist;
4. Their Captain in Judd, a Premiership player, a brownlow medallist and arguably the best player in the land walked;
5. Rumours Embley wants out;
6. Now being investigated by the league,
yet some people still want to risk taking a player who is alleged to be a central figure in much of this turmoil
To think that the club will not cop bad publicity out if it if it all goes peared shaped is niave IMHO. Does anyone remember the Jay *smile* saga.
Yes he was a great player. but the risks are simply too great for mine
What concerns me most is that the once mighty eagles:
1. Have players punching on with each other, not once, but several times;
2. An alleged history of a drug culture;
3. Sacked a former Captain, premiership player, and brownlow medallist;
4. Their Captain in Judd, a Premiership player, a brownlow medallist and arguably the best player in the land walked;
5. Rumours Embley wants out;
6. Now being investigated by the league,
yet some people still want to risk taking a player who is alleged to be a central figure in much of this turmoil
To think that the club will not cop bad publicity out if it if it all goes peared shaped is niave IMHO. Does anyone remember the Jay *smile* saga.
Yes he was a great player. but the risks are simply too great for mine
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
I will wait until after the hearing Monday to comment further but my Christmas wish is that Teflon Benny is a Tiger soon.
I think I will take up drinking again myself if what you think will happen - happens. That may mean I need to brace myself for something very nasty - I dont want to be sober when they call out ***** whispers softly ****** Richards :shakehead
I will wait until after the hearing Monday to comment further but my Christmas wish is that Teflon Benny is a Tiger soon.
gustiger12 said:I have visions of JB staggering the streets alone crying into his Bacardi Breezers come Monday night.
I think I will take up drinking again myself if what you think will happen - happens. That may mean I need to brace myself for something very nasty - I dont want to be sober when they call out ***** whispers softly ****** Richards :shakehead
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
:hihi
The bottom line is that whatever occurs at 30 yrs of age Teflon Benny's best is behind him not in front of him.
You are better off concentrating your efforts on hoping a youngster like Conners or Edwards becomes the next Teflon rather than wishing what might have been.
jb03 said:
:hihi
The bottom line is that whatever occurs at 30 yrs of age Teflon Benny's best is behind him not in front of him.
You are better off concentrating your efforts on hoping a youngster like Conners or Edwards becomes the next Teflon rather than wishing what might have been.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Only issue with this is Vlad.
If and it is a massive IF, Vlad actually allows him to nominate, it will only be under legal threat from the AFLPA and the Cousins camp.
IN response Vlad will move on the clubs with a simple message......one false step by Benny Boy and you will be treated the same as the WCE, you know of the problem, you are taking him on, you have the responsibility to manage it or deal with the consequences.
Anyone who doubts the AFL would issue these kind of under the table threats, ring the Kangas for their opinion.
jb03 said:
Only issue with this is Vlad.
If and it is a massive IF, Vlad actually allows him to nominate, it will only be under legal threat from the AFLPA and the Cousins camp.
IN response Vlad will move on the clubs with a simple message......one false step by Benny Boy and you will be treated the same as the WCE, you know of the problem, you are taking him on, you have the responsibility to manage it or deal with the consequences.
Anyone who doubts the AFL would issue these kind of under the table threats, ring the Kangas for their opinion.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
I think this speculation is pointless from a Tiger perspective. Forget the off-field issues, look at the footballing facts.
I can't see Cousins being allowed to play next year. By the time 2009 comes round, he will be rising 31, having played 6 games in the previous 2 years. Those 6 games were preceeded by, and ended by, hamstring injury. I can't see him being physically able to come back in a meaningful way.
I just do not believe that he would be anything more than a week by week proposition at best if he came back tomorrow, let alone in 2009. Maybe, if you were a premiership contender needing that last little bit of class top-up to get you a flag, you'd consider him.
I think this speculation is pointless from a Tiger perspective. Forget the off-field issues, look at the footballing facts.
I can't see Cousins being allowed to play next year. By the time 2009 comes round, he will be rising 31, having played 6 games in the previous 2 years. Those 6 games were preceeded by, and ended by, hamstring injury. I can't see him being physically able to come back in a meaningful way.
I just do not believe that he would be anything more than a week by week proposition at best if he came back tomorrow, let alone in 2009. Maybe, if you were a premiership contender needing that last little bit of class top-up to get you a flag, you'd consider him.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Bollocks. The AFL are on WCE because they knoew of the issues and covered it up. I don't think RFC are exposed at all by taking Benny on, unless he continues his partying and we cover it up - unlikely.
The AFL are a world of empty threats and the fact that a team as weak as north even exist is a testament to this.
Tiger74 said:
Bollocks. The AFL are on WCE because they knoew of the issues and covered it up. I don't think RFC are exposed at all by taking Benny on, unless he continues his partying and we cover it up - unlikely.
The AFL are a world of empty threats and the fact that a team as weak as north even exist is a testament to this.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Front page of today's Age headline "Ben lands in Richmond...to shop.
Front page of today's Age headline "Ben lands in Richmond...to shop.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Article in the hun stating that it will be likely that he will have to sit out for 2008 and miss this PSD.
Article in the hun stating that it will be likely that he will have to sit out for 2008 and miss this PSD.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
this story does go on to say that Benny may come clean and sit out for 12 months - my thinking here is why would he do that. Vlad has no new evidence to charge Ben with at the moment except for long ago indiscretions but the AFL did not charge him when that all went down - the way it stands today is that Ben does not have three, two or one drug stikes and no charges against him so I wonder how the Commission will get around that.
If I was Benny I would be saying - show me what you have against me please. When Vlad and his mates fail to produce anything of value, Benny should then advise them that he WILL be nominating for the PSD and if the Commission block that then they will see them in court. Benny's lawyers should have the papers ready to serve on the Commission.
I can't see how the Commission can win as they allowed Ben to return to footy - they sanctioned it in fact and since then Teflon has had nothing stick against him so technically he is clean with the law.
Monday is looming and the Commission will be spending today I would say, trying to figure out how to stop Ben going into the draft - but the only way that can happen I would think is if Benny told them he would sit it out.
I will look out tomorrow for the outcome with interest. :hihi
YinnarTiger said:
this story does go on to say that Benny may come clean and sit out for 12 months - my thinking here is why would he do that. Vlad has no new evidence to charge Ben with at the moment except for long ago indiscretions but the AFL did not charge him when that all went down - the way it stands today is that Ben does not have three, two or one drug stikes and no charges against him so I wonder how the Commission will get around that.
If I was Benny I would be saying - show me what you have against me please. When Vlad and his mates fail to produce anything of value, Benny should then advise them that he WILL be nominating for the PSD and if the Commission block that then they will see them in court. Benny's lawyers should have the papers ready to serve on the Commission.
I can't see how the Commission can win as they allowed Ben to return to footy - they sanctioned it in fact and since then Teflon has had nothing stick against him so technically he is clean with the law.
Monday is looming and the Commission will be spending today I would say, trying to figure out how to stop Ben going into the draft - but the only way that can happen I would think is if Benny told them he would sit it out.
I will look out tomorrow for the outcome with interest. :hihi
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
that is right - but he will be delisted straight after the National Draft - they could not do it before this date or they ran the risk of Cousins suing them and it coming out of this years finances - which would have put them over the salary cap. They have stated that they will delist him after the draft as that signals the new financial year for salary cap and if he sues them it will not affect this years salary and no penalties for them.
nwonash said:
that is right - but he will be delisted straight after the National Draft - they could not do it before this date or they ran the risk of Cousins suing them and it coming out of this years finances - which would have put them over the salary cap. They have stated that they will delist him after the draft as that signals the new financial year for salary cap and if he sues them it will not affect this years salary and no penalties for them.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Don't be suprised if this is not over by tomorrow night. The AFL will find him guilty (don't what of) because if they dont they will look very very silly. This will then leave Cousin's lawyers, player agent etc no other option but to follow this through in the courts. Its going to get mesy folks, make no mistake about it. The Kremilin are baying for blood but Cousins and Co won't fall over that easily.
Don't be suprised if this is not over by tomorrow night. The AFL will find him guilty (don't what of) because if they dont they will look very very silly. This will then leave Cousin's lawyers, player agent etc no other option but to follow this through in the courts. Its going to get mesy folks, make no mistake about it. The Kremilin are baying for blood but Cousins and Co won't fall over that easily.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
If Benny's lawyers win the day, and he can nominate, a club will take him. The AFL however will be humilated by this outcome, so I can guarantee that the AFL will be putting massive backroom pressure on the clubs to "pass" on him for 2008, and one of the ways they can do this is threatening repercussions if he repeats the issues of 2007.
hutstar said:
If Benny's lawyers win the day, and he can nominate, a club will take him. The AFL however will be humilated by this outcome, so I can guarantee that the AFL will be putting massive backroom pressure on the clubs to "pass" on him for 2008, and one of the ways they can do this is threatening repercussions if he repeats the issues of 2007.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
If we want cuz our only chance is getting him this year. A year out of the game and coming back a la watson will only be beneficial to a mature club on the cusp of a flag which i don't think we will be. I agree with most that this is going to get messy and like everyone will be waiting the outcome of the meeting hoping all is revealed.
If we want cuz our only chance is getting him this year. A year out of the game and coming back a la watson will only be beneficial to a mature club on the cusp of a flag which i don't think we will be. I agree with most that this is going to get messy and like everyone will be waiting the outcome of the meeting hoping all is revealed.
