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10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]
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Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Ben Cousins is defianately a player that can turn 2008 inside out for the RFC..both on and off the field
Gee I hope he really wants to play footy and I hope we secure his services.
And until proven as a drug addict hearsay will not stand.
Ben Cousins is defianately a player that can turn 2008 inside out for the RFC..both on and off the field
Gee I hope he really wants to play footy and I hope we secure his services.
And until proven as a drug addict hearsay will not stand.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
What an extroadinary screw up by Andy and the Eagles, not to mention West Australian police. Not surprised though as this was the first attempt at prosecution under new legislation and Ben's lawyer was always confident of success.
It is also worth remembering that this wasn't an adjournment application by an addict wanting time to show he was moving towards recovery. This was an application by the prosecution to give them time to prepare their case.
And of course they messed up as did the AFL as well as the Eagles, who have sacked Ben without cause and now leave themselves open to the possibility that action for wrongful dismissal will follow.
In the mean time of course Ben heads off to LA and also screws up as only an addict knows how. :
I think everyone will now be looking for an out and that Ben might still be permitted to register for the pre-season.
His Melb lawyer is highly decorated and my guess is that he will be looking for a compromise which will,
1 see the AFL and WC off the hook in terms of any wrongful dismissal action.
2 see the AFL adjourn the bringing the game into disrepute charge, until the end of the 08 season.
3 see the AFL appoint a team of medical experts to monitor Bens recouperation and report to the Commission from time to time on his addiction and rehabilitation.
4 allow Ben to register for the PSD, and later to play, if and when the Commission acting on the advice of their medical panel consider that he is fit to do so.
Would seem to be a fair result?
What an extroadinary screw up by Andy and the Eagles, not to mention West Australian police. Not surprised though as this was the first attempt at prosecution under new legislation and Ben's lawyer was always confident of success.
It is also worth remembering that this wasn't an adjournment application by an addict wanting time to show he was moving towards recovery. This was an application by the prosecution to give them time to prepare their case.
And of course they messed up as did the AFL as well as the Eagles, who have sacked Ben without cause and now leave themselves open to the possibility that action for wrongful dismissal will follow.
In the mean time of course Ben heads off to LA and also screws up as only an addict knows how. :
I think everyone will now be looking for an out and that Ben might still be permitted to register for the pre-season.
His Melb lawyer is highly decorated and my guess is that he will be looking for a compromise which will,
1 see the AFL and WC off the hook in terms of any wrongful dismissal action.
2 see the AFL adjourn the bringing the game into disrepute charge, until the end of the 08 season.
3 see the AFL appoint a team of medical experts to monitor Bens recouperation and report to the Commission from time to time on his addiction and rehabilitation.
4 allow Ben to register for the PSD, and later to play, if and when the Commission acting on the advice of their medical panel consider that he is fit to do so.
Would seem to be a fair result?
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
Sensible reading of the landscape.
momentai said:What an extroadinary screw up by Andy and the Eagles, not to mention West Australian police. Not surprised though as this was the first attempt at prosecution under new legislation and Ben's lawyer was always confident of success.
It is also worth remembering that this wasn't an adjournment application by an addict wanting time to show he was moving towards recovery. This was an application by the prosecution to give them time to prepare their case.
And of course they messed up as did the AFL as well as the Eagles, who have sacked Ben without cause and now leave themselves open to the possibility that action for wrongful dismissal will follow.
In the mean time of course Ben heads off to LA and also screws up as only an addict knows how. :
I think everyone will now be looking for an out and that Ben might still be permitted to register for the pre-season.
His Melb lawyer is highly decorated and my guess is that he will be looking for a compromise which will,
1 see the AFL and WC off the hook in terms of any wrongful dismissal action.
2 see the AFL adjourn the bringing the game into disrepute charge, until the end of the 08 season.
3 see the AFL appoint a team of medical experts to monitor Bens recouperation and report to the Commission from time to time on his addiction and rehabilitation.
4 allow Ben to register for the PSD, and later to play, if and when the Commission acting on the advice of their medical panel consider that he is fit to do so.
Would seem to be a fair result?
Sensible reading of the landscape.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
Not a good week for the Police Force in any state.
Right now he does not have a case to answer too with the AFL. They bought the charges against him from the current crop of charges. Now they are gone, so are the AFL's chances of hauling him over the coals. They might roll out the old "the current charges had nothing to do with us calling Ben before us" but they will look like Muppet's if that is used to save face.
PSD and Benny. Hmm. Lot of water to go under the bridge before anything happens.
Not a good week for the Police Force in any state.
Right now he does not have a case to answer too with the AFL. They bought the charges against him from the current crop of charges. Now they are gone, so are the AFL's chances of hauling him over the coals. They might roll out the old "the current charges had nothing to do with us calling Ben before us" but they will look like Muppet's if that is used to save face.
PSD and Benny. Hmm. Lot of water to go under the bridge before anything happens.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
That is spot on for all fronts.
momentai said:What an extroadinary screw up by Andy and the Eagles, not to mention West Australian police. Not surprised though as this was the first attempt at prosecution under new legislation and Ben's lawyer was always confident of success.
It is also worth remembering that this wasn't an adjournment application by an addict wanting time to show he was moving towards recovery. This was an application by the prosecution to give them time to prepare their case.
And of course they messed up as did the AFL as well as the Eagles, who have sacked Ben without cause and now leave themselves open to the possibility that action for wrongful dismissal will follow.
In the mean time of course Ben heads off to LA and also screws up as only an addict knows how. :
I think everyone will now be looking for an out and that Ben might still be permitted to register for the pre-season.
His Melb lawyer is highly decorated and my guess is that he will be looking for a compromise which will,
1 see the AFL and WC off the hook in terms of any wrongful dismissal action.
2 see the AFL adjourn the bringing the game into disrepute charge, until the end of the 08 season.
3 see the AFL appoint a team of medical experts to monitor Bens recouperation and report to the Commission from time to time on his addiction and rehabilitation.
4 allow Ben to register for the PSD, and later to play, if and when the Commission acting on the advice of their medical panel consider that he is fit to do so.
Would seem to be a fair result?
That is spot on for all fronts.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
I don't think the Weagles stuffed up at all, I'm not sure about Andy until we hear more and the police definitely did, but remember that was on technicalities rather than offences not being commited.
Are you saying Ben agreed to go back to rehab in LA just to buy time to prepare the case momentai? The reason given for the adjournment was to enable Ben to attend rehab and it's reasonable to believe that considering he went over for rehab.
The Weagles made it clear Ben's dismissal wasn't directly related to the police action so not sure how the wrongful dismissal scenario applies.
Indicates how deep Ben's problems are and imo make it questionable if he's in the right frame of mind and health to put himself in the public spotlight so soon. He obviously needs a lot of help but how it's best organised isn't really for any of us to speculate over.
Not sure about the AFL but I suspect there's no case to answer with the Weagles, and of course a lot depends on the actual clauses and conditions put on Ben...something we aren't privy to.
I don't agree with adjourning the disrepute charge for a year. It will always be hanging over Ben's head and there will be unecessary scrutiny on his every movement. Better to deal with it now, clear it up and everybody move on.
momentai said:
I don't think the Weagles stuffed up at all, I'm not sure about Andy until we hear more and the police definitely did, but remember that was on technicalities rather than offences not being commited.
momentai said:
Are you saying Ben agreed to go back to rehab in LA just to buy time to prepare the case momentai? The reason given for the adjournment was to enable Ben to attend rehab and it's reasonable to believe that considering he went over for rehab.
momentai said:
The Weagles made it clear Ben's dismissal wasn't directly related to the police action so not sure how the wrongful dismissal scenario applies.
momentai said:In the mean time of course Ben heads off to LA and also screws up as only an addict knows how. :
Indicates how deep Ben's problems are and imo make it questionable if he's in the right frame of mind and health to put himself in the public spotlight so soon. He obviously needs a lot of help but how it's best organised isn't really for any of us to speculate over.
momentai said:
Not sure about the AFL but I suspect there's no case to answer with the Weagles, and of course a lot depends on the actual clauses and conditions put on Ben...something we aren't privy to.
I don't agree with adjourning the disrepute charge for a year. It will always be hanging over Ben's head and there will be unecessary scrutiny on his every movement. Better to deal with it now, clear it up and everybody move on.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
The AFL may warn off all clubs from taking him after belatedly allowing him to enter the PSD.
Geez I hope we stick it up everyone and draft him. What a player Teflon would have been if not an addict.
The AFL may warn off all clubs from taking him after belatedly allowing him to enter the PSD.
Geez I hope we stick it up everyone and draft him. What a player Teflon would have been if not an addict.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Hearsay. Do you know the meaning of the term. He has admitted himself he has a "substance abuse problem". 5 day bender on Cocaine in LA. 911 call transcripts, admissions from the hospital of his admission.
He won't be turning anything inside out in 2008, first he has to turn himelf around. At the moment his is on a big slippery slide heading down hill at a rate of knots.
Media articles are saying the advice he has got from his father and David Grace QC is to tell all at his AFL hearing and it is reported that he is agreeable to this course of action.
If this happens, what other excuses will people find for Ben.
That is the whole problem, people have been making excuses for him for too long.
No one wants to see Ben fail, but he has to face up to reality and then decide he wants to change the direction he is heading. If he doesn't it will only end up a tragedy.
daoula said:
Hearsay. Do you know the meaning of the term. He has admitted himself he has a "substance abuse problem". 5 day bender on Cocaine in LA. 911 call transcripts, admissions from the hospital of his admission.
He won't be turning anything inside out in 2008, first he has to turn himelf around. At the moment his is on a big slippery slide heading down hill at a rate of knots.
Media articles are saying the advice he has got from his father and David Grace QC is to tell all at his AFL hearing and it is reported that he is agreeable to this course of action.
If this happens, what other excuses will people find for Ben.
That is the whole problem, people have been making excuses for him for too long.
No one wants to see Ben fail, but he has to face up to reality and then decide he wants to change the direction he is heading. If he doesn't it will only end up a tragedy.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
Spot on Zero.
He was charged, just not convicted. That doesn't make him innocent.
ZeroGame said:
Spot on Zero.
He was charged, just not convicted. That doesn't make him innocent.
Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]
Fanciful after his recent escapades in the US I would have thought.
Last reports in the Media were that his father and Lawyer were advising him to confess all.
Maybe in the hope of giving him a chance to resume his career in 2009.
Forget wrongful dismissal. Don't think there is a hope in hell after a 5 day cocaine binge given his supposed contract clauses.
How are the AFL off the hook, they face a league initiated investigation. This aint gonna go away that easily.
Momentai you continue to blame all and everyone for Cousins demise except the person himself.
If by some miracle Cousin's is permitted to enter the draft I doubt there will be a club who would touch him with a 40 ft Barge Poll. Would have been stretching it prior to the LA incident, but now I think he has blown any hope he had.
momentai said:What an extroadinary screw up by Andy and the Eagles, not to mention West Australian police. Not surprised though as this was the first attempt at prosecution under new legislation and Ben's lawyer was always confident of success.
It is also worth remembering that this wasn't an adjournment application by an addict wanting time to show he was moving towards recovery. This was an application by the prosecution to give them time to prepare their case.
And of course they messed up as did the AFL as well as the Eagles, who have sacked Ben without cause and now leave themselves open to the possibility that action for wrongful dismissal will follow.
In the mean time of course Ben heads off to LA and also screws up as only an addict knows how. :
I think everyone will now be looking for an out and that Ben might still be permitted to register for the pre-season.
His Melb lawyer is highly decorated and my guess is that he will be looking for a compromise which will,
1 see the AFL and WC off the hook in terms of any wrongful dismissal action.
2 see the AFL adjourn the bringing the game into disrepute charge, until the end of the 08 season.
3 see the AFL appoint a team of medical experts to monitor Bens recouperation and report to the Commission from time to time on his addiction and rehabilitation.
4 allow Ben to register for the PSD, and later to play, if and when the Commission acting on the advice of their medical panel consider that he is fit to do so.
Would seem to be a fair result?
Fanciful after his recent escapades in the US I would have thought.
Last reports in the Media were that his father and Lawyer were advising him to confess all.
Maybe in the hope of giving him a chance to resume his career in 2009.
Forget wrongful dismissal. Don't think there is a hope in hell after a 5 day cocaine binge given his supposed contract clauses.
How are the AFL off the hook, they face a league initiated investigation. This aint gonna go away that easily.
Momentai you continue to blame all and everyone for Cousins demise except the person himself.
If by some miracle Cousin's is permitted to enter the draft I doubt there will be a club who would touch him with a 40 ft Barge Poll. Would have been stretching it prior to the LA incident, but now I think he has blown any hope he had.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Passes through the system fairly quickly, but still makes you wonder if he was tested at all when he eventually did front up at his plush rehab centre.
However treatment at the hospital probably meant that his system had been flushed anyway after such a binge.
Passes through the system fairly quickly, but still makes you wonder if he was tested at all when he eventually did front up at his plush rehab centre.
However treatment at the hospital probably meant that his system had been flushed anyway after such a binge.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
If the AFL give him an oppotunity to play in 2009 & rest a year, would you consider the option of RFC snapping him up in a PSD on minimal wages for a year of a 2 year contract & placing him on the long term injury list for a year.
Similar to Roos (sydney) said, but I rather we secure him now for some cost and should he not get better a termination clause tighter than a flea's backside
gustiger12 said:
If the AFL give him an oppotunity to play in 2009 & rest a year, would you consider the option of RFC snapping him up in a PSD on minimal wages for a year of a 2 year contract & placing him on the long term injury list for a year.
Similar to Roos (sydney) said, but I rather we secure him now for some cost and should he not get better a termination clause tighter than a flea's backside
