Who would you pick at No 9?

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

I disagree Grundy is ready to go Round 1 at this stage. His weight is up but he still has a lot of development to go.

I agree, he already presses 130kgs.
It's daylight between him and the next best ruck prospect.....I'd be shocked if he was still available come our pick.
Averaged 24 hitouts to advantage in 2012 and can snag a goal up forward.

Could be a few surprises in the top 10 you never know...maybe even Stringer is a go.

 

[linuscambridge]

Just check this year's AA team for the answer to that question.

That's one ruck as a part time forward. The Grundy fans on here are proposing we play Maric in the ruck and Vickery and Grundy forward. I don't think it can work.

 

[FitenFitenWin]

I still like Simpson. Put him on the wing and give him short stints as a run with mid for a couple of years until he develops the tank and nous to be a permanent goalkicking mid. After that Garner and Grundy.

Interesting that Emma Quayle didn't have Garlett in her top talent analysis in today's Age. Surely an oversight?

 

[Baloo]

Interesting that Emma Quayle didn't have Garlett in her top talent analysis in today's Age. Surely an oversight?

Probably trying to talk him down in the hope he lasts until Essendons first live pick.

 

[Ripplestick]

Interesting that Emma Quayle didn't have Garlett in her top talent analysis in today's Age. Surely an oversight?

she said elsewhere:
could come back to haunt me but I'm worried about what I hear re off field stuff

off field stuff different to J Darling but wouldnt say what.

 

[brigadiertiger]

Shouldn't a first round pick always be best available talent regardless of position height etc. and then start to think about needs.

 

[Gus]

she said elsewhere:
could come back to haunt me but I'm worried about what I hear re off field stuff

off field stuff different to J Darling but wouldnt say what.

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It's just that he doesn't project the disciplined manner that he needs to. He's super talented but could miss a a training session because he slept in.

 

[bullus_hit]

That's one ruck as a part time forward. The Grundy fans on here are proposing we play Maric in the ruck and Vickery and Grundy forward. I don't think it can work.

It's possible if one sees Vickery as a permanent forward - let's not forget he played out of the goals square as a junior and he's played his best football at AFL level as a forward. Besides, there's three very important issues at play here -

1. Maric isn't goiing to play every game and we have nothing to cover for him in the event he goes down.
2. Vickery has just undergone shoulder surgery which may impact his vertical reach and hence may inhibit him in ruck contests
3. We need to start thinking about succession planning when Maric eventually retires, that could be as sooner rather than later given Ivan will be 27 next year.

Some of the arguments here about the risks of taking rucks in the top ten seems to be set in the past, we can dredge up Kreuzer to back up the point but he's still a talented player and would comfortably slot into the top ten of his draft year.

The success rate for top ten ruckman has been exceedingly high recently and all have managed to hold their value - Naitanui, Leuenburger, McEvoy, Vickery, Ryder and Longer (although it's still early days)

We could wait for free agency and join the scrum but that doesn't necessarily guarantee we'll land the fish, the competition will be fierce , particularly if everyone has decided to avoid recruiting junior ruckman. For mine, pick 9 isn't too high a price to pay for a ruck who has as a huge upside like Grundy, and even in the shorterm, it means we don't have to go and recruit Wood or Stephenson (only to delist them down the track).

 

[tigs2010]

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It's just that he doesn't project the disciplined manner that he needs to. He's super talented but could miss a a training session because he slept in.

should fit in.

 

[Smoking Aces]

should fit in.

Sounds familiar doesnt it. ;D

 

[tigergollywog]

It's possible if one sees Vickery as a permanent forward - let's not forget he played out of the goals square as a junior and he's played his best football at AFL level as a forward. Besides, there's three very important issues at play here -

1. Maric isn't goiing to play every game and we have nothing to cover for him in the event he goes down.
2. Vickery has just undergone shoulder surgery which may impact his vertical reach and hence may inhibit him in ruck contests
3. We need to start thinking about succession planning when Maric eventually retires, that could be as sooner rather than later given Ivan will be 27 next year.

Some of the arguments here about the risks of taking rucks in the top ten seems to be set in the past, we can dredge up Kreuzer to back up the point but he's still a talented player and would comfortably slot into the top ten of his draft year.

The success rate for top ten ruckman has been exceedingly high recently and all have managed to hold their value - Naitanui, Leuenburger, McEvoy, Vickery, Ryder and Longer (although it's still early days)

We could wait for free agency and join the scrum but that doesn't necessarily guarantee we'll land the fish, the competition will be fierce , particularly if everyone has decided to avoid recruiting junior ruckman. For mine, pick 9 isn't too high a price to pay for a ruck who has as a huge upside like Grundy, and even in the shorterm, it means we don't have to go and recruit Wood or Stephenson (only to delist them down the track).

Theres hardly a thing youve said I dont agree with wholeheartedley Bully.

 

[spook]

It's possible if one sees Vickery as a permanent forward - let's not forget he played out of the goals square as a junior and he's played his best football at AFL level as a forward. Besides, there's three very important issues at play here -

1. Maric isn't goiing to play every game and we have nothing to cover for him in the event he goes down.
2. Vickery has just undergone shoulder surgery which may impact his vertical reach and hence may inhibit him in ruck contests
3. We need to start thinking about succession planning when Maric eventually retires, that could be as sooner rather than later given Ivan will be 27 next year.

Some of the arguments here about the risks of taking rucks in the top ten seems to be set in the past, we can dredge up Kreuzer to back up the point but he's still a talented player and would comfortably slot into the top ten of his draft year.

The success rate for top ten ruckman has been exceedingly high recently and all have managed to hold their value - Naitanui, Leuenburger, McEvoy, Vickery, Ryder and Longer (although it's still early days)

We could wait for free agency and join the scrum but that doesn't necessarily guarantee we'll land the fish, the competition will be fierce , particularly if everyone has decided to avoid recruiting junior ruckman. For mine, pick 9 isn't too high a price to pay for a ruck who has as a huge upside like Grundy, and even in the shorterm, it means we don't have to go and recruit Wood or Stephenson (only to delist them down the track).

What he said.

 

[bullus_hit]

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It's just that he doesn't project the disciplined manner that he needs to. He's super talented but could miss a a training session because he slept in.

.........and turned up to training reeking of alcohol and cigarettes. Some pretty damning assessments of Garlett emerging. For his sake, he'll need to land at an ultra professional club that can put him on the straight and narrow.

 

[zippadeee]

.........and turned up to training reeking of alcohol and cigarettes. Some pretty damning assessments of Garlett emerging. For his sake, he'll need to land at an ultra professional club that can put him on the straight and narrow.

Forget him, even if he pulled his head in, he will would get up and leave.
I would be shattered if we picked him up.
Let him go to collingwood

 

[Cotchinsastar]

I don't know why but I would give my left nut to get sam Mayes or Jackson Macrae or lachie Plowman. Just them 3 have something about them that makes me want them. I'd prefer Mayes, he will just put the icing on the cake to the forward line and the midfield.

 

[IrockZ]

Not sure how you got that from my post, the question was where you take a good young ruck, how early in the draft.

And posters seem to think he can play next year, that's in spite of the trend being for clubs to play less rucks not more. I haven't seen Freo find a way to play Sandilands, Griffen and Clarke, the Kangaroos feel the need for Petrie, Goldstein and Macintosh, or Carlton to use Kruezer, Warnock and Hampson at the same time.

You just can't get enough mid fielders to rotate through the middle with that many rucks. So the question is do you want to spend pick 9 as insurance for Vickery or Maric, or are you happy to have your pick 9 running around at Coburg for 4 years till Maric wears out.

It's a big call for such a scarce resource as a top 10 pick. If Francis thinks he is far and away best available, fair enough, I'm just not sure what the coaches are going to do with him?

What makes Vickery such as automatic selection? Coming back from a shoulder reco isn't going to happen overnight. Grundy would be an awesome pickup. Plenty of mids like Graham, Lonergan etc to be on the board at 32.

I never really watched his tape too closely because I thought he would be gone by Port's pick at the latest, but if he is available then it's a clear pick for mine.

 

[linuscambridge]

What makes Vickery such as automatic selection? Coming back from a shoulder reco isn't going to happen overnight. Grundy would be an awesome pickup. Plenty of mids like Graham, Lonergan etc to be on the board at 32.

I never really watched his tape too closely because I thought he would be gone by Port's pick at the latest, but if he is available then it's a clear pick for mine.

Vickery and Reiwoldt were statistically the most effective forward combination in the AFL in 2011. In form he is a walk up start, as you point out though his shoulder reco may impact on that, however he had that done mid year so if he isn't ready then obviously we have some problems on our hands.

If we are using another top ten pick to cover our top ten pick we used on Vickery that hasn't worked out, then we have other problems on our hands.

 

[tigergollywog]

If we are using another top ten pick to cover our top ten pick we used on Vickery that hasn't worked out, then we have other problems on our hands.

18 year old 202cm/100 kg, snakey, intellectual, 15 possession, 24 h/o, 2 goals is the kind of problem I love. A bit like having 2 girlfriends who dont know about each other when you are 20.

 

[linuscambridge]

It's possible if one sees Vickery as a permanent forward - let's not forget he played out of the goals square as a junior and he's played his best football at AFL level as a forward. Besides, there's three very important issues at play here -

1. Maric isn't goiing to play every game and we have nothing to cover for him in the event he goes down.
2. Vickery has just undergone shoulder surgery which may impact his vertical reach and hence may inhibit him in ruck contests
3. We need to start thinking about succession planning when Maric eventually retires, that could be as sooner rather than later given Ivan will be 27 next year.

Some of the arguments here about the risks of taking rucks in the top ten seems to be set in the past, we can dredge up Kreuzer to back up the point but he's still a talented player and would comfortably slot into the top ten of his draft year.

The success rate for top ten ruckman has been exceedingly high recently and all have managed to hold their value - Naitanui, Leuenburger, McEvoy, Vickery, Ryder and Longer (although it's still early days)

We could wait for free agency and join the scrum but that doesn't necessarily guarantee we'll land the fish, the competition will be fierce , particularly if everyone has decided to avoid recruiting junior ruckman. For mine, pick 9 isn't too high a price to pay for a ruck who has as a huge upside like Grundy, and even in the shorterm, it means we don't have to go and recruit Wood or Stephenson (only to delist them down the track).

Agree on much of what you say and it would be a lovely luxury to have to use another top 10 pick on a ruck.

I do stand by my view that Richmond will not field a team with three ruckmen. You can call Vickery a forward if you like but I really think you are kidding yourself. He is a ruck playing forward. Last year his forward work was better than his ruck work, this year his ruck work was better than his forward work. But at the end of the day his true value is in kicking a few goals and providing a chop out for Ivan in the ruck.

So if Grundy and Vickery were in the same team that also contained Maric, that means Griffiths, Astbury and Elton haven't worked out. There is no way you have more than 3 talls forward, we would get smashed on the rebound and our forward press would be rubbish.

 

[bullus_hit]

Agree on much of what you say and it would be a lovely luxury to have to use another top 10 pick on a ruck.

I do stand by my view that Richmond will not field a team with three ruckmen. You can call Vickery a forward if you like but I really think you are kidding yourself. He is a ruck playing forward. Last year his forward work was better than his ruck work, this year his ruck work was better than his forward work. But at the end of the day his true value is in kicking a few goals and providing a chop out for Ivan in the ruck.

So if Grundy and Vickery were in the same team that also contained Maric, that means Griffiths, Astbury and Elton haven't worked out. There is no way you have more than 3 talls forward, we would get smashed on the rebound and our forward press would be rubbish.

First of all, Vickery is perfectly capable of playing as a forward, at his best he's a 40+ goal a season player. He played as a forward in the u/18 carnival and at TAC level and he's not looked out of place as an accomplished AFL forward, in fact I recall Emma Quayle's assessment of Vickery as being even money to be a key forward. In light of all that, I can't see how you could pigeon hole him as a ruckman, particularly when he's just undergone a shoulder reconstruction.

If Vickery, Elton, Griffiths and Astbury are all competeing for the same spot, then that's a healthy sign of the state of our list I would have thought. I wouldn't be rushing Grundy into the frame prematurely in any case, he'd been see as insurance in his first season and even beyond that. Ultimately he should be seen as Maric's heir apparent, not some surplus requirement who's sole purpose is to force other players out of the side.