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lamb22 said:
You reckon that list was as good as this one?
I know it won 15 games. Still waiting for you to explain how given the coach was so sh!t.
Forget a top 4 list, Must have been one of the best lists of all time to have done so well under such duress.
toby64 said:
It was the implies pressure from mcjesus that forced everyone to play above themselves and keep him out of the team.
toby64 said:
Since you poked the bear...
Cats went out in straight sets last year with Blake the ball movement genius.
Oh and as a senior coach Leppa was a huge success.
Found this summary of balmies coaching efforts...
"Balme's persistence with a strategic, high-possession, low-impact game plan earned both praise and ridicule. When the style succeeded it was attractive and hard to counter. However, when broken down by intense tackling, the players (and the coach) could look foolish and inept. Melbourne made it all way to the preliminary final in 1994, but struggled thereafter. Balme's reasoned, personable style and his insistence on player self-empowerment made him very media-friendly, but some questioned whether he was suited to coaching in the AFL.
Balme and his players were caught in the turmoil surrounding the club's proposal to merge with Hawthorn Football Club in 1996. The team slumped and after a number of embarrassing performances in 1997, Balme was sacked mid-season by the controversial new Demons president, Joe Gutnick."
Oh No wait a sec,
Cats won a final after Isaac smith missed a shot after the siren.
So Blake was responsible for that win right?
Chris scott lost them the other one yeah? Nah must have been dima's fault!
Cats won a final after Isaac smith missed a shot after the siren.
So Blake was responsible for that win right?
Chris scott lost them the other one yeah? Nah must have been dima's fault!
Are you serious ?Tigerdangerous said:
You say he is " going along with the many changes" and then criticise me for not reading your post when I say that you believe the changes have happened around him? You also say the " changes are not of his making"
Of course they are of his making .He is the head coach, he is responsible for them. It doesn't mean he did everything or came up with every idea but it does mean he has been responsible for implementation of the on field changes.
To think otherwise is definitely naive. Changes don't happen around a head AFL coach, if they did he wouldn't be the coach. Essentially that is what you are saying, that Dimma is some lame duck who smarter and more proficient people have overtaken and he jumped on because he wants to keep his job.
I just don't believe it
lamb22 said:
What about our list around 2009? We had a midfield of 3 Brownlow medalists in Martin, Cousins, and Cotchin, with Deledio, Foley, Richardson on the wing, Rance + Bowden down back, Nathan Brown + Jack Riewoldt up forward, plus Newman and Coughlan on the bench.
Is that the handbrake thingy on the bonnet there Harry? I'm pretty sure it'd slow me down a bit.Harry said:
Really guys stop embarrassing yourselves.
Working yourself into a lather because in your heart of hearts you know Dmma underperformed is pretty transparent to the rest of us.
Plastering us in hyperbole and sputum as a replacement for logic and common sense in trying to argue 15 win lists in 2013 and 2015 are vastly inferior to a 15 win list in 2017 doesn't pass the pub test.
The RFC realised what the problem was in 2016 and addressed it. Balmey has set the tone. Leppa has provided the forward line (acknowledged by Dimma) Blake has set the game plan ( confirmed by Blake) the team was overcoached (agreed by Dimma) and we have changed tack to embrace emotion (acknowledged by nearly everyone that matters) and for that reason we are getting more out of our list.
So happy for you to go back and yell at your respective walls but really what a sad sad bunch you are.
Working yourself into a lather because in your heart of hearts you know Dmma underperformed is pretty transparent to the rest of us.
Plastering us in hyperbole and sputum as a replacement for logic and common sense in trying to argue 15 win lists in 2013 and 2015 are vastly inferior to a 15 win list in 2017 doesn't pass the pub test.
The RFC realised what the problem was in 2016 and addressed it. Balmey has set the tone. Leppa has provided the forward line (acknowledged by Dimma) Blake has set the game plan ( confirmed by Blake) the team was overcoached (agreed by Dimma) and we have changed tack to embrace emotion (acknowledged by nearly everyone that matters) and for that reason we are getting more out of our list.
So happy for you to go back and yell at your respective walls but really what a sad sad bunch you are.
We haven't succeeded just yet. We have improved from 2013 2015 because we won a final. We still had the same win loss as in the home and away but with a worse percentage.
Come next Saturday night we will see if their has been success.
Come next Saturday night we will see if their has been success.
lamb22 said:
It's interesting isn't it?
See I would think that someone who makes up stuff time and time again that is so ridiculous to try and support a flawed view is embarrassing themselves, like you have throughout this thread. You know, like the made up stories of the personal traits of a man you have never met before and the inner workings of a club you have never set foot inside.
And I would also think that you feeling the need to make up some of the stuff you have, to try and convince a bunch of anonymous internet posters of said flawed view shows how sad you are. But to each his own I guess!
Don't think this thread is relevant anymore.
Clearly one person is not to blame for last years aberration. Everyone at the club last yr was responsible.....and everyone at the club this yr is responsible for what may be a year to remember.
Clearly one person is not to blame for last years aberration. Everyone at the club last yr was responsible.....and everyone at the club this yr is responsible for what may be a year to remember.
toby64 said:
What part of the below is untrue Tobes?
The RFC realised what the problem was in 2016 and addressed it. Balmey has set the tone. Leppa has provided the forward line (acknowledged by Dimma) Blake has set the game plan ( confirmed by Blake) the team was overcoached (agreed by Dimma) and we have changed tack to embrace emotion (acknowledged by nearly everyone that matters) and for that reason we are getting more out of our list.
lamb22 said:
no one doubts what has happened this year Mutton (though how and why and who is still only assumption) It's the "Dimma has been a sh!t coach for 8 years and he is the reason that the top 4 list we have had throughout that time hasn't had success" line you take which doesn't wash. And ignoring the fact that the list has changed significantly over the period and is in a better place now than it has been in the past, and not providing any logical explanation of how the list could be hamstrung so badly yet beat premiers during the season and win 15 games. Then there's the other crap about criticising his motivational methods, calling him as boring as a box of pumpkins and so forth which is just baseless made up crap. And I could go on. But I have wasted enough of this beautiful Saturday on here. Time to enjoy the sun.
Perhaps when I come back you will have answered the question?
