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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!
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The league needs an independent umpiring ombudsmen. The lack of an effective voice for clubs is a disgrace. Poor umpiring needs to be held to account.
What happened out there tonight was blatant bias!!
What happened out there tonight was blatant bias!!
Kept a eye on the umpires at the game today as its the only live one I will see this year. No 19 was bad but No 9 was a total tool. It was he that hammered us at every possible juncture. He did give us one weird free during the third quarter but you could see the pain on his face when he paid it....... Once again the Jake King rule was in affect.... Poor Jaky got two high tackles that I saw with the normal play on call fm the maggots and then to hammer home the point that they dislike the King they gave a few soft ones against him. Any wonder he is an angry looking man.
Clubs have said going to Giesch is waste of time as he just gives them a political sympathic response and nothing is done. Frustration builds and it spills out during or later after games as seen recently with fines to clubs and please explain to players. Many are getting frustrated on the rules and how infrigemnet occur. Like I had mentioned earlier fix the cause of the problem not attack the effect (comments made against the umpires)of thhe problem
Is it the umpire's fault. Maybe not. I preferred Schwab in that position than Geisch.
I accept that the umpires will never get it right as it would be impossible with the speed of the game BUT I do expect that free kicks being paid in a particular game are officated in the same manner to both clubs on the day. Also had heard somewhere on talk back radio that before the game Geisch sending sms to umpires on what rule (s) to concentrate on the day. Like WTF this would put even more pressure on the umps imo !
Is it the umpire's fault. Maybe not. I preferred Schwab in that position than Geisch.
I accept that the umpires will never get it right as it would be impossible with the speed of the game BUT I do expect that free kicks being paid in a particular game are officated in the same manner to both clubs on the day. Also had heard somewhere on talk back radio that before the game Geisch sending sms to umpires on what rule (s) to concentrate on the day. Like WTF this would put even more pressure on the umps imo !
I follow a few football codes closely not just AFL,
Of the lot i find AFL umpiring-Reffing to be the more frustrating and confusing followed by rugby union,
rugby its more of a case of the reffing interpretations to be different from ref to ref so what is ok one week isnt the next, which can still be frustrating,
But AFl you seem to get more inconsistencies in the same game than other codes.
Of the lot i find AFL umpiring-Reffing to be the more frustrating and confusing followed by rugby union,
rugby its more of a case of the reffing interpretations to be different from ref to ref so what is ok one week isnt the next, which can still be frustrating,
But AFl you seem to get more inconsistencies in the same game than other codes.
This really irks me.Al Bundy said:
For one, concentrating on a particular rule means the players get frustrated as it feels like the rules are changing from week to week.
and secondly, why do we need to concentrate on different rules, The Umpires should know what the rules are and Umpire accordingly,
kiwitiger said:
Inconsistency pervades AFL decision-making. I could list enough examples to fill this page. It exudes a culture of arrogance amidst which its personnel are never wrong, so it shouldn't surprise if umpires feel empowered to act on a whim.
I watched a bit of the VFL game before the Tigers one yesterday, I don't generally watch the VFL, so I'm not sure if this is always the case, but it was really refreshing to hear the commentators, one was Donegan and the other was the Hyphen, and there was another bloke there whose name I don't know, give the umpires a spray when they got it wrong. Carey made a comment that told it like it was when he was doing special comments a few years back. His co commentators nearly had a conniption and said 'You can't say that!'tigertim said:
Carey's reply: 'Yes I can, I'm not playing anymore. I can say anything I like.'
The others shrugged their shoulders and joined in, it was great.
I believe Gieschen is a large part of the problem, the guy's a shocker. I'd like to see him replaced with someone who understood how to umpire the game and didn't take *smile* from anyone. Anybody know what Peter Carey is doing these days? About the last decent umpire the game had.
So foreign to us to hear real sooking from senior people in footy codes about the quality of the refereeing (eg Ferguson for Utd and NSW RL people after that first state of origin spring to mind).
Footy to us is the game we love.
But to so many it is an Industry. Thousands of people depend at least partially on that Industry for their income. The health and the expansion of the Industry is paramount.
This is why aspects (umpiring, betting, stoushes on and off the field, respect for the laws etc) are just no-go zones. Sometimes that level of control is reasonable, other times it drives people insane. But nothing is allowed to tarnish/jeopardise The Industry. Watch Demetriou twisting and turning, trying to work out how to sanction those carl players who twittered about the umps performance.
Footy to us is the game we love.
But to so many it is an Industry. Thousands of people depend at least partially on that Industry for their income. The health and the expansion of the Industry is paramount.
This is why aspects (umpiring, betting, stoushes on and off the field, respect for the laws etc) are just no-go zones. Sometimes that level of control is reasonable, other times it drives people insane. But nothing is allowed to tarnish/jeopardise The Industry. Watch Demetriou twisting and turning, trying to work out how to sanction those carl players who twittered about the umps performance.
The only thing we as members can do (apart from b!tching on blogs) is write to Benny. I wouldn't get all umpire conspiracy theory (I don't believe it for a start), but just express unhappiness with the inconsistency. If the club gets enough feedback it'll have something to take to the AFL. If members from other clubs do the same, there might be enough momentum for some improvement. If it happens at all it won't be dramatic, but it's all that can be done.
I certainly don't subscribe to a conspiracy against us - but we have had the rough end of the pineapple this year. I feel sorry for Jake King - because it IMHO he has to work harder than anyone to receive a free kick & will give one away just by looking sideways at the umpires. It is simplistic to merely look at the frees for & frees against & use it as an argument. I would be happy to walk away from a game with a big shortfall on frees if I feel the umpires have got it right & were consistent all day & it was just a case that we infringed. Last week we lost a close one in the wet to Freo. A remarkable imbalance in frees IFO Freo at half time - in an arm wrestle in the wet. I felt we had been dudded (clearly I will be more sensitive when my side was involved) & a free that was given to Freo - would not be paid to Richmond 2 minutes later. We promptly got 2-3 quick frees in succession at the start of the 3rd for exactly what had been happening in the first half but not paid - clearly the umps felt the balance had been addressed & off we go again. Surely they wouldn't look at the numbers at half time & feel they must do something ? Not in an appropriate situation when each incident should be considered on its merits ?
We lost the game in a close tussle - we had more shots at goal - more inside 50's etc - but they kicked better. There was a clear difference in frees for & against. Easy to say the winning team got in first - put their heads over the ball etc. Did Freo deserve to win - yeah I think so - I thought they were better tactically on the day & we overused the ball. Did I think the umpires did a good job ? Nope.
Yesterday - we play another wet game - there will be plenty of slipping & sliding etc. Days like that - you gotta let the game go a bit. Thats fine - can't overofficiate in the wet. We had a massive amount more inside 50's & heaps more scoring shots. In a way we dominated the game really. You may think that the scoreline flattered GWS. But bad kicking is bad footy. We also lost the free kick count again.
Power & Batchelor deliberate OOB are what drive me insane with frustration. How can one not be called & yet the other is ?
All I ask for is consistancy - if we give away a free kick & the same happens to us - fine - but the worst for me is not what they pay at times...its what they choose not to pay.
Maybe leaving the rules alone - stop issuing instructions to the umpires to interpret something one way for a month & then stop - maybe instruct them to pay a free if they see it regardless if it holds the game up. Even the 50 against Judd the other night was pretty pathetic & an example of someone having a whistle & wanting to show they have authority.
Always believe when you walk away from a match & say "how good were the umpires today....I didn't notice them" is a good test of if they did a good job.
We lost the game in a close tussle - we had more shots at goal - more inside 50's etc - but they kicked better. There was a clear difference in frees for & against. Easy to say the winning team got in first - put their heads over the ball etc. Did Freo deserve to win - yeah I think so - I thought they were better tactically on the day & we overused the ball. Did I think the umpires did a good job ? Nope.
Yesterday - we play another wet game - there will be plenty of slipping & sliding etc. Days like that - you gotta let the game go a bit. Thats fine - can't overofficiate in the wet. We had a massive amount more inside 50's & heaps more scoring shots. In a way we dominated the game really. You may think that the scoreline flattered GWS. But bad kicking is bad footy. We also lost the free kick count again.
Power & Batchelor deliberate OOB are what drive me insane with frustration. How can one not be called & yet the other is ?
All I ask for is consistancy - if we give away a free kick & the same happens to us - fine - but the worst for me is not what they pay at times...its what they choose not to pay.
Maybe leaving the rules alone - stop issuing instructions to the umpires to interpret something one way for a month & then stop - maybe instruct them to pay a free if they see it regardless if it holds the game up. Even the 50 against Judd the other night was pretty pathetic & an example of someone having a whistle & wanting to show they have authority.
Always believe when you walk away from a match & say "how good were the umpires today....I didn't notice them" is a good test of if they did a good job.
jimbob said:
Dimwitriou should join Parliament....he makes a great minister.
As for the dumpires, it's obvious that the root cause is Gieschen who seriously needs to be let go. He was a failure as a coach and is a failure with umpiring.
Ok
I have finally been able to see the game.
Firstly it sounded a lot worse than it looked, so far I am starting to agree that the boys are tired and they did their best, Batch did have a shocker son far.
I will take a close look at the second half now.
Poor umpiring decisions as follows
1st QTR
Not paid
Brogen push on Miller in ruck.
King taken high
Paid incorrectly
None
2nd QTR
Not paid
GWS
Conca holding ball
Corned pushed in back
Rich
Power kick OB deliberate
Edwards Goal not reviewed
Kicking in danger on jack
King taken High
paid incorrectly
Batch on cameron for a goal
batch deliberate OB
King HB
So in the first half I saw
GWS miss out on 2 free kicks that were there
Richmond missed 6 free kicks that were there.
Richmond gave away 3 free kicks not there, 1 resulted in a goal.
11 poor decisions in first half.
TBC
I have finally been able to see the game.
Firstly it sounded a lot worse than it looked, so far I am starting to agree that the boys are tired and they did their best, Batch did have a shocker son far.
I will take a close look at the second half now.
Poor umpiring decisions as follows
1st QTR
Not paid
Brogen push on Miller in ruck.
King taken high
Paid incorrectly
None
2nd QTR
Not paid
GWS
Conca holding ball
Corned pushed in back
Rich
Power kick OB deliberate
Edwards Goal not reviewed
Kicking in danger on jack
King taken High
paid incorrectly
Batch on cameron for a goal
batch deliberate OB
King HB
So in the first half I saw
GWS miss out on 2 free kicks that were there
Richmond missed 6 free kicks that were there.
Richmond gave away 3 free kicks not there, 1 resulted in a goal.
11 poor decisions in first half.
TBC
The Batchelor deliberate and Power deliberate not paid were both ridiculous.
Batchelor for contact was also ridiculous. This should now mean every time Cotchin is touched off the ball he should receive a free.
Also it seemed pretty clear Jack kept the ball in play for Edwards to goal, yet the review system wasn't even used...what's the point of the review system...
Thinking it couldn't get much worse some decisions in the Gold Coast v North game were the worst I've ever seen.
In the 3rd quarter Lindsay Thomas received a handball over the top in the forward pocket which Umpire Wenn paid a mark (the handball didn't even go 15 metres, so even if it was kicked it couldn't have been paid a mark anyway). As Thomas took the ball he was bumped fairly but Wenn paid 50m due to late contact because he had paid the mark. Other umpires came in to tell Wenn it wasn't a mark and the 50m was cancelled. But the 50m was paid because of late contact after a mark, when in actual fact it should have been play on and the bump allowed. Thomas wen't down like a sack of spuds from the bump but it is not the fault of the GC player if Thomas is brittle. Thomas goaled from this farce as Wenn covered up his blunder by allowing a free kick to Thomas for a fair bump.
Not finished there Wenn then decides to assert his authority after his own blunders and gives North a free in front of goal during a minor scuffle straight after the Thomas farce goal. A GC player had his arm around Cunnington high to prevent him from getting at another GC player, while a group of other players were grappling and holding jumpers at the same time. Wenn called this a headlock, ignoring all the other possible infringements and gave Cunnington the free shot at goal (he missed).
After this and Batchelor's free against for contact we should now expect all contact off the ball to be paid as a free kick which would turn the game into a complete farce, if it already isn't.
Batchelor for contact was also ridiculous. This should now mean every time Cotchin is touched off the ball he should receive a free.
Also it seemed pretty clear Jack kept the ball in play for Edwards to goal, yet the review system wasn't even used...what's the point of the review system...
Thinking it couldn't get much worse some decisions in the Gold Coast v North game were the worst I've ever seen.
In the 3rd quarter Lindsay Thomas received a handball over the top in the forward pocket which Umpire Wenn paid a mark (the handball didn't even go 15 metres, so even if it was kicked it couldn't have been paid a mark anyway). As Thomas took the ball he was bumped fairly but Wenn paid 50m due to late contact because he had paid the mark. Other umpires came in to tell Wenn it wasn't a mark and the 50m was cancelled. But the 50m was paid because of late contact after a mark, when in actual fact it should have been play on and the bump allowed. Thomas wen't down like a sack of spuds from the bump but it is not the fault of the GC player if Thomas is brittle. Thomas goaled from this farce as Wenn covered up his blunder by allowing a free kick to Thomas for a fair bump.
Not finished there Wenn then decides to assert his authority after his own blunders and gives North a free in front of goal during a minor scuffle straight after the Thomas farce goal. A GC player had his arm around Cunnington high to prevent him from getting at another GC player, while a group of other players were grappling and holding jumpers at the same time. Wenn called this a headlock, ignoring all the other possible infringements and gave Cunnington the free shot at goal (he missed).
After this and Batchelor's free against for contact we should now expect all contact off the ball to be paid as a free kick which would turn the game into a complete farce, if it already isn't.
