Tyler Fishlock threads [Merged]

[tigerjoe]

Poor little kid.

As if he and his folks haven't got enough to deal with.

Unfortunately discipline has gone out the window at school's, even kid's at 7 y.o. are out of control.

Time we put some discipline back into kid's lives, for our sake as well as their's.

All the best young Tyler, karma will get that little so and so one day.

 

[Hes My Hero]

Yep. A :grouphug from PRE Tyler.

Thanks alot Rosy and to all PREnders for your kind thoughts and comments.
They are much appreciated.
Regards, Brad

 

[waiting since 80]

Simple!...Principle should be put on notice for handling this situation like a softcock...or should i say Christine Nixon's softly softly approach!!...one more incident and you get the sack!

Someone let the perants of this little sh!t know that their "little angel" needs some serious punishment, so we are not having this conversation in 10 years time on a larger scale!.

 

[Jake]

Doesn't Tyler's disability qualify for a full-time aid at school?? A friend of mine is a full time aid to a young lad with autism, also there are kids in my boy's secondary school who also have an aid and don't I think there disabilities are as bad as Tyler's. I live in NSW so it might different up here.

Remember Tyler every dog has there day.

 

[hopper]

Simple!...Principle should be put on notice for handling this situation like a softcock...or should i say Christine Nixon's softly softly approach!!...one more incident and you get the sack!

Someone let the perants of this little sh!t know that their "little angel" needs some serious punishment, so we are not having this conversation in 10 years time on a larger scale!.

This type of comment is the reason that I've decided to speak up on this thread. I really didn't want to.

The hysteria around this situation is something that never ceases to amaze me. I'm the principal of a primary school and I'm proud to say we have very little trouble with genuine bullying. We are a very low-socio economic cohort, high levels of multiculturalism and a huge amount of ESL learners - so there's fertile ground for bullying and behaviour problems. How did we achieve this:
* Was I, as Principal, put on notice with threats about my job?
* Do I expell and/or suspend every student who demonstrates aggressive or bullying behaviour?
* Do I move kids from classrooms every time he/she has a parent complaint made about them?
* Do we adopt a "zero tolerance" approach to student behaviour, despite overwhelming worldwide research that these approaches systematically fail?
The answer to all of the above is a firm NO. And, like it or not, there are virtually no schools who have achieved what we have via these means.

Look, I get the anger. There's nothing that plays on the heartstrings like bullying - let alone a young bloke who has endured Tyler's hardships in life. But the FACT is that lashing out doesn't solve the problem. We are responding emotionally and not intellectually when we do this. Because we've all been to school and all experienced bullying (probably on both sides of the fence) does not make us all experts on countering it. It's a little like saying your a qualified plumber because you've had the trots!

Schools who have strong AND supportive approaches and programs to deailing with bullying (such as Restorative Practices or Friendly Schools & Families) and compliment this with explicit teaching of social skills and conflict resolution skills are the ones who achieve a safe environment. Staff & community commitment are also a big factor for success. It isn't always the "popular" approach and leaves us open to being called soft (and without very high expectations we are soft). But I'd much rather teach kids ways that work than responses that are veangeful, violent, retributive and exclusive.

I'm not saying that Tyler's school or Principal is in the right. Apart from Brad, none of us know. But I've learned in life not to trust newspapers to tell us the full story or to give a rat's about what the context or history is of a problem. Don't be fooled - their motivation is not Tyler. They are about selling papers through public interest. And haven't they done it well.

 

[Brodders17]

This type of comment is the reason that I've decided to speak up on this thread. I really didn't want to.

The hysteria around this situation is something that never ceases to amaze me. I'm the principal of a primary school and I'm proud to say we all ...................................
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I'm not saying that Tyler's school or Principal is in the right. Apart from Brad, none of us know. But I've learned in life not to trust newspapers to tell us the full story or to give a rat's about what the context or history is of a problem. Don't be fooled - their motivation is not Tyler. They are about selling papers through public interest. And haven't they done it well.

well said.

 

[AZZAMOOT]

Schools who have strong AND supportive approaches and programs to deailing with bullying (such as Restorative Practices or Friendly Schools & Families) and compliment this with explicit teaching of social skills and conflict resolution skills are the ones who achieve a safe environment. Staff & community commitment are also a big factor for success. It isn't always the "popular" approach and leaves us open to being called soft (and without very high expectations we are soft). But I'd much rather teach kids ways that work than responses that are veangeful, violent, retributive and exclusive.

Sorry hooper but from my experience & my mothers (15yrs a school teacher) fear of retribution is the best deterant until someone can think for themselves to act responsibly.

Someone let the perants of this little sh!t know that their "little angel" needs some serious punishment, so we are not having this conversation in 10 years time on a larger scale!.

Couldnt agree more! More questions should be asked of the parents instead of the principal/school.

 

[hopper]

Sorry hooper but from my experience & my mothers (15yrs a school teacher) fear of retribution is the best deterant until someone can think for themselves to act responsibly.

Sorry back at ya Az, but that's nonsense. There is absolutely no proof that retribution is the best deterant. None. If it was you'd think the death penalty might have been a decent deterrant for violent crime and murders in the US. But, oops, it isn't

This is the problem we have. We just can't get past our own emotional response to it. And we let our own anger and disgust drive the solution. Which might get rid of our anger and disgust - but misses the problem by a mile.

FACT and a PROVEN FACT - kids who experience "retribution, aggression and punishment" as the primary response to poor behaviours (especially bullying) are at higher risk of poor school performance, poor career choices, dysfunctional relationships, criminal records, suicide, self harm, poverty and domestic violence. They don't learn a lesson - they learn anger, hate and to get better at not getting caught.

But hey, the SOLUTION to this problem is clearly to lynch this other 6yo boy, and his family ... because we're outraged? Yeah - that'll work.

 

[Jason King]

Its no use trying to teach a bully if the parent just reinforces the behaviour. Its the parents who should be named and shamed and made to attend parenting classes. If i had a dollar for everytime i had seen a parent stick up for their mess of a child then i would be on easy street. Apple doesnt fall far from the tree I am afraid.

 

[waiting]

What a disgraceful thing to happen to the young fella after all he has endured.

Not matter what any may say , it starts at home. If you cant, will not or your children see acts of violence, swearing, poor discipline , well unfortunately kids see this and through no real fault of theirs , they act it out.

Blame must sorely be placed squarely on parents shoulders. A child of 7-8 may or may not know any better.

I feel Terrible for young Tyler. I was once a victim of teasing, bullying ast a very young age and ended up taking matters into my own hands. With poor Tyler what can the little fella do?

Just sad for his family too !

 

[waiting since 80]

This type of comment is the reason that I've decided to speak up on this thread. I really didn't want to.
The hysteria around this situation is something that never ceases to amaze me. I'm the principal of a primary school and I'm proud to say we have very little trouble with genuine bullying. We are a very low-socio economic cohort, high levels of multiculturalism and a huge amount of ESL learners - so there's fertile ground for bullying and behaviour problems.
I'm not saying that Tyler's school or Principal is in the right. Apart from Brad, none of us know. But I've learned in life not to trust newspapers to tell us the full story or to give a rat's about what the context or history is of a problem. Don't be fooled - their motivation is not Tyler. They are about selling papers through public interest. And haven't they done it well.

So Hooper, it's taken you 244 posts before you decided to reply?....coincidence...na!... it's because i've said the principle should be put on notice! This site PRE and other footy sites online that i've been visiting not too mention talkback radio have mostly been in agreeance that the principle should of acted in a stronger way than he did!...If you bothered to read all of my post you will see that i had a go at the perants of the Bully!
Yes, Perants are too blame aswell!!.

I'll put it this way...if Mayor Giuliani can clean up the mean streets of NYC.... with his take no *smile* policy!... a school principle should be able to clean up his school yard filled with children?

 

[hopper]

So Hooper, it's taken you 244 posts before you decided to reply?....coincidence...na!... it's because i've said the principle should be put on notice! This site PRE and other footy sites online that i've been visiting not too mention talkback radio have mostly been in agreeance that the principle should of acted in a stronger way than he did!...If you bothered to read all of my post you will see that i had a go at the perants of the Bully!
Yes, Perants are too blame aswell!!.

I'll put it this way...if Mayor Giuliani can clean up the mean streets of NYC.... with his take no sh!t policy!... a school principle should be able to clean up his school yard filled with children?

Hah! What a funny little character you are. Imagine using New York crime stats to back up a story about a failure to provide safety. Still, the lack of understanding of what you're talking about pretty clearly crosses over to your spelling as well. For your info, social economists have contributed far more to Guiliani's contibutions to high school reform in achieving some positive results than any of his purported "zero tolerance on crime" approaches. Giuliani cleverly used a high pressure but high support approach. And that's actually what I'm advocating. Seems nimrods like you are only capable of digesting what the HeraldSun rags of the world can break down into small chunks for you.

Still I probably should thank you for proving my point that:
* Parents are largely responsible for the social and behavioural make-up of their child.
* Schools should be accountable for a safe environment - and for using case studies and researched best practice to do it. And there are plenty of them.
* That talkback radio and keyboard clanging warriors on a footy forum are not the experts on how to handle bullying.
* That none of us (including you and I) know what actually has happened here in context - and are therefore very underequipped to judge what anybody should have or could have done.

If you believe you are so right about this, then why not come up with some proof of schools where Principals have been adopting the "ws80 string 'em up" counter bullying approach and getting positive results?

 

[michael roach]

I have a gentle, loving friend who just lost her job in a child care centre. She touched a little boys hand to get his attention when he ignored her request for him to stop ripping up a book and was reported. Both sides of a story are often not always taken into consideration. Sad world in that regard.

If that was my son i`d be fuming that the child care worker was sacked.

But this is the loonie world we now live in unfortunately.


And i agree that the parents of the little "angel" who is doing this to tyler are the ones to blame.
They`re not to blame for one off incidents because little kids can be cruel because they don`t really understand the full impact of what they are doing,but by all reports this crap has been going on for months so the parents should have put a stop to it.

I shudder to think how my dad would have reacted if i had have done something cruel to a blind kid when i was that age.
one thing`s for certatin though,i would have only done it once,my dad would have "persuaded" me not to do it again. ;D

If i had a dollar for everytime i had seen a parent stick up for their mess of a child then i would be on easy street.

that sickens me.

I remember getting in trouble with the police as a kid and trying to deny my involvement and they told me they had just asked my dad if i he thought i may be guilty of what they were accusing me of and he said yes! ;D


The police then said it was pretty rare for a parent to say that about their child,most parents would say "oh no my little johnny wouldn`t do a thing like that"

Ah me old dad,bad tempered old bastard but he taught me about being responsible for my actions.

 

[momentai]

The hysteria around this situation is something that never ceases to amaze me....

The fact that there has been a strong reaction is the only thing that gives Tyler and his mates any hope.

Tyler is blind.He is being beaten by a boy who can see. He is naturally terrified.

The school and its principal have allowed this situation to go on for 6 months and their softly softly approach has resulted in Tyler being scared to go to school.
Please don't appologise for this sort of school principal/education dept response because the principals head in the sand attitude has led Tyler to lose all confidence and his young assailant to think his behaviour must be OK.

 

[hopper]

The fact that there has been a strong reaction is the only thing that gives Tyler and his mates any hope.

Tyler is blind.He is being beaten by a boy who can see. He is naturally terrified.

The school and its principal have allowed this situation to go on for 6 months and their softly softly approach has resulted in Tyler being scared to go to school.
Please don't appologise for this sort of school principal/education dept response because the principals head in the sand attitude has led Tyler to lose all confidence and his young assailant to think his behaviour must be OK.

Not once have I said this Principal did the right thing. I have no idea if he did anything right or wrong. If what you say about 6 months of sustained bullying is completely true, then there's a problem for sure that requires strong action. Problem is we only have the HeraldSun to provide us with the facts - and they have absolutely no interest in the facts, just selling papers. And even if it is true, the suggestions in here and on the Hun website about what to do with the perpetrator are archaic and brutal - the sort of stuff that breeds and trains bullies.

Believe me, I have no time for Principals and/or schools who can't/won't tackle the issue of bullying. My problem is that some people feel justified in advising violence and permanent exclusion against a little boy - despite it being proven to be the wrong path.

 

[Streak]

I think the Principal of the school was incredibly naive to say what he did. Really silly stuff.

And I feel sorry for all involved. Obviously Tyler and his family, but also the other kid and their parents, and the rest of the kids at the school.

Put yourselves in any of their shoes.

Tyler is terrified, and I would imagine (without any first hand knowledge) that confidence and trust in others would be just about the most critical thing to a blind person of any age. His parents must be devastated.

And the other parents. What if it was your child doing the bullying? Think you could fix it like that? And the shame of knowing what conclusions everyone else is drawing.

What about the bully. I know I did some shocking things at school that would have caused hurt to others. And some of it was when I was older than 7, yet at the time I still didn't really know any better. This kid will have to live with what they have done when they are older, moreso because of the very public scrutiny of the issue. And regardless of the sort of person they grow up to be, they will feel it. Is that really what anyone wants. For a kid of 7 to be held so publically accountable for their actions, no matter what they have done?

And the other kids at the school. I loved school as a kid all the way through (very sad I know), except maybe for upper school chemistry and Mr Steward's Social Studies classes. Oh, and Home economics, I really hated that. But all those kids probably have some level of pride in their school, and I think it sucks that they have all had to be put through this so publically.

 

[Willo]

I think the Principal of the school was incredibly naive to say what he did. Really silly stuff.

And I feel sorry for all involved. Obviously Tyler and his family, but also the other kid and their parents, and the rest of the kids at the school.

Put yourselves in any of their shoes.

Tyler is terrified, and I would imagine (without any first hand knowledge) that confidence and trust in others would be just about the most critical thing to a blind person of any age. His parents must be devastated.

And the other parents. What if it was your child doing the bullying? Think you could fix it like that? And the shame of knowing what conclusions everyone else is drawing.

What about the bully. I know I did some shocking things at school that would have caused hurt to others. And some of it was when I was older than 7, yet at the time I still didn't really know any better. This kid will have to live with what they have done when they are older, moreso because of the very public scrutiny of the issue. And regardless of the sort of person they grow up to be, they will feel it. Is that really what anyone wants. For a kid of 7 to be held so publically accountable for their actions, no matter what they have done?

And the other kids at the school. I loved school as a kid all the way through (very sad I know), except maybe for upper school chemistry and Mr Steward's Social Studies classes. Oh, and Home economics, I really hated that. But all those kids probably have some level of pride in their school, and I think it sucks that they have all had to be put through this so publically.

Good post Streak. Thought provoking.

 

[momentai]

Not once have I said this Principal did the right thing. I have no idea if he did anything right or wrong. If what you say about 6 months of sustained bullying is completely true, then there's a problem for sure that requires strong action. Problem is we only have the HeraldSun to provide us with the facts - and they have absolutely no interest in the facts, just selling papers. And even if it is true, the suggestions in here and on the Hun website about what to do with the perpetrator are archaic and brutal - the sort of stuff that breeds and trains bullies.

Believe me, I have no time for Principals and/or schools who can't/won't tackle the issue of bullying. My problem is that some people feel justified in advising violence and permanent exclusion against a little boy - despite it being proven to be the wrong path.

Not from the Herald Sun but as I think I mentioned earlier, the story was on TDT where Tyler and his dear Mum were interviewed. And a good thing they were or else the issue would still be with that fluffy minded Principal who would be free to continue administering his failed policy.
Hopefully now the Education Dept are on his case and that any further infractions will be delt with firmly.

Certainly imo if it happens again, Mum should also be considering legal action against both the Principal and the Dept.

 

[waiting since 80]

If you believe you are so right about this, then why not come up with some proof of schools where Principals have been adopting the "ws80 string 'em up" counter bullying approach and getting positive results?

Hey Hooper..oops sorry Hopper, no one is saying cut off the bully's toes you "Nimrod", as most posters here and other websites/radio are saying is that the principle should of taken a harder stand!.
Ffs were not asking the principle to run a prison full of inmates... it's a primary school,the bully is 7 years old! he needs strong discipline from his perants and the school must have a "fairdinkum" No Bully policy!! not just the posters in the corridoors saying that they have.

Anyway, you can have your softly softly approach and good luck with it, i know what i'd do, lets not forget it was a blind boy (Tyler) who was tormented with a pair of scissors and hit and kicked..... if the H/Sun is telling the truth :.

Expecting a thousand word dressing down from you!... i'm a caveman, i cannot spell, dont know what i'm talking about, etc, etc, :blah :blah :blah

 

[hopper]

I'll try to keep it brief for you ws80 then! Hey, we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that hey?

I do hope that this situation can be remedied for Tyler and for the other little lad who clearly has some stuff to work on.

My approach isn't soft - it's actually dependant on very high expectations. And it does work. There are effective ways to teach kids (even repeat offenders) out of poor behaviours without some of the suggestions that have appeared in this thread, and they've included many of physical abuse and permanent exclusion. Facts are that these approaches just don't work. As a Principal, I'm more keen on stuff that works - even if it's less popular. For me, that's accountability.

Anyway, I'll endeth the spelling lesson now. It's Friday after all!

My best wishes to all concerned - including my Principal colleague.