Trade Week - Richmond Only

[Brodders17]

Don't stop there. I hear those picks in the 40;s have some pretty juicy values.

I think the haggle is whether they include pick 15 and get pick 1 instead.
Sounds good to me, We get 15, 16 & 21 for pick 1.
Nearly 100 extra points for us.

On 2nd thoughts we should go hard for 37 as well.
Then we would win the trade by about 500 points.

 

[tigertim]

There is no way, that Blair rings up Thursfield, offers a deal, and Thursfield goes, "hang on mate, I've got to check the points calculation".

You are calling others obtuse, when you can't look in the rear view mirror and see that its actually you that are barking up the completely wrong tree.

Maybe change your name back, it probably suited you better

Who was TT previously?

 

[Brodders17]

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Good point.

 

[Tiggy Train]

I think the haggle is whether they include pick 15 and get pick 1 instead.
Sounds good to me, We get 15, 16 & 21 for pick 1.
Nearly 100 extra points for us.

On 2nd thoughts we should go hard for 37 as well.
Then we would win the trade by about 500 points.

Thanks again as you've supported my original argument.

 

[mrposhman]

That's what we were basically arguing over and i said it would never happen as it's *smile*.

F2 and 2 for iour 10 and 18. which was a proposal some poster made earlier. I said North would tell us to *smile* off . Thanks for making my point valid. Now @mrposhman is agreeing with you after he originally gave reasons for it. FMD people are like the Melbourne weather on here. lol

When did I give reasons FOR that trade?

It wasn't going to happen.

Thursfield will look at all trade options for North but not what you are suggesting, he won't be going to check the points calculaor, but their draft board and who is likely to still be on the table,if its the players they are interested in they will make a call regardless of points value, ifs it not (again regardless of if they got a points win, then they wouldn't be doing it.

Hence points value means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THEM, its which players would still likely be on the board and how much risk they are willing to take that the players they want go before those picks they are offered that matters to them.

 

[mrposhman]

Who was TT previously?

Pretty sure he was the Tiger urine fella. Posts exactly like them

 

[Tiggy Train]

When did I give reasons FOR that trade?

It wasn't going to happen.

Thursfield will look at all trade options for North but not what you are suggesting, he won't be going to check the points calculaor, but their draft board and who is likely to still be on the table,if its the players they are interested in they will make a call regardless of points value, ifs it not (again regardless of if they got a points win, then they wouldn't be doing it.

Hence points value means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THEM, its which players would still likely be on the board and how much risk they are willing to take that the players they want go before those picks they are offered that matters to them.

You said this in post 12,393. I never assumed anything, but just said it was outrageous based on points system, but you could see without the points system it was a farcical deal.

You make the assumption that there is nothing in it for North to trade back other than gaining points value for their Pick 2, which is incorrect.

 

[Sintiger]

There is no way, that Blair rings up Thursfield, offers a deal, and Thursfield goes, "hang on mate, I've got to check the points calculation".

You are calling others obtuse, when you can't look in the rear view mirror and see that its actually you that are barking up the completely wrong tree.

Maybe change your name back, it probably suited you better

Probably a blocked poster but is there someone suggesting they do check points?

Points are for a purpose, compensation picks, academy picks, Father sons etc. Every other deal is horse trading in the end

 

[Brodders17]

Thanks again as you've supported my original argument.

That the points system is absolute rubbish, and only useful for teams gaming the system to match bids on the cheap?

 

[mrposhman]

You said this in post 12,393. I never assumed anything, but just said it was outrageous based on points system, but you could see without the points system it was a farcical deal.

You make the assumption that there is nothing in it for North to trade back other than gaining points value for their Pick 2, which is incorrect.

Hang on, so you think me saying that you using the points value index was incorrect was supporting the points value index. What are you talking about? I was pointing out that YOU were indicating that North needed a points gain to slide back, and I said that was incorrect and it certainly wouldn't be the basis for what Thursfield would decide a trade on, but you think thats me supporting it? Maybe you need to learn comprehension of the English language.

 

[No 4]

Pick two is a must, but it would prove to be very difficult to achieve. Our pick 6 & 10 are required.

 

[Tiggy Train]

That the points system is absolute rubbish, and only useful for teams gaming the system to match bids on the cheap?

it might be rubbish , but you've given us one use for it already. lol

 

[Tiggy Train]

Hang on, so you think me saying that you using the points value index was incorrect was supporting the points value index. What are you talking about? I was pointing out that YOU were indicating that North needed a points gain to slide back, and I said that was incorrect and it certainly wouldn't be the basis for what Thursfield would decide a trade on, but you think thats me supporting it? Maybe you need to learn comprehension of the English language.

No i said North were getting shafted and offered a negotiating deal. You put all the ifs and buts in as extras.

 

[mrposhman]

No i said North were getting shafted and offered a negotiating deal. You put all the ifs and buts in as extras.

No, you said they were getting shafted due to the points value, indicating improve the points value and it would be ok. Lets remove 18 and use 2 picks in the mid 20's. Better points value, does that make it better for North? In your view of using the points value index then I guess yes, but for me (and the list managers) then I doubt it, as those picks would probably be AFTER the players that North are after, so who cares what the points value is, they simply don't care.

They will compare offers for 2, based on the player they want 1st (if thats Tauru) and what extra they might get out of it, and weigh that up against the risk of someone taking Tauru between 2 and 6. There is nothing else for them to consider other than do they think the upside of the extra pick is worth the risk they take on that the player they want (assume Tauru) is taken before their pick. I'd hazard a guess that they don't even take a glance at the points value index, they already know what they want from any deal to compensate for the extra risk they take on, rather than just taking Tauru at 2.

 

[Brodders17]

I hate to think what this thread is going to be like in another couple of weeks!

 

[btoz_01]

I hate to think what this thread is going to be like in another couple of weeks!

It’ll be 1000+ pages by draft night

 

[mrposhman]

I hate to think what this thread is going to be like in another couple of weeks!

On draft night, its going to be old mate saying we've screwed everyone else on points value with the trades that we do.

 

[Tiggy Train]

No, you said they were getting shafted due to the points value, indicating improve the points value and it would be ok. Lets remove 18 and use 2 picks in the mid 20's. Better points value, does that make it better for North? In your view of using the points value index then I guess yes, but for me (and the list managers) then I doubt it, as those picks would probably be AFTER the players that North are after, so who cares what the points value is, they simply don't care.

They will compare offers for 2, based on the player they want 1st (if thats Tauru) and what extra they might get out of it, and weigh that up against the risk of someone taking Tauru between 2 and 6. There is nothing else for them to consider other than do they think the upside of the extra pick is worth the risk they take on that the player they want (assume Tauru) is taken before their pick. I'd hazard a guess that they don't even take a glance at the points value index, they already know what they want from any deal to compensate for the extra risk they take on, rather than just taking Tauru at 2.

it was a guide showing how pathetic the deal was that poster was suggesting and it didn't matter how you looked at it , it was terrible. Then you just started adding your two bobs worth and later contradicted yourself. As i said the points system was a guide or benchmark to indicate a value of deals. You tried to make out that i was only relying on this as my source for pick trades. It isn't as it's impossible to get them equal for starters and both parties need to be happy as well.

 

[Tiggy Train]

No, you said they were getting shafted due to the points value, indicating improve the points value and it would be ok. Lets remove 18 and use 2 picks in the mid 20's. Better points value, does that make it better for North? In your view of using the points value index then I guess yes, but for me (and the list managers) then I doubt it, as those picks would probably be AFTER the players that North are after, so who cares what the points value is, they simply don't care.

They will compare offers for 2, based on the player they want 1st (if thats Tauru) and what extra they might get out of it, and weigh that up against the risk of someone taking Tauru between 2 and 6. There is nothing else for them to consider other than do they think the upside of the extra pick is worth the risk they take on that the player they want (assume Tauru) is taken before their pick. I'd hazard a guess that they don't even take a glance at the points value index, they already know what they want from any deal to compensate for the extra risk they take on, rather than just taking Tauru at 2.

and you're still adding crap on which is not relevant to what i was saying as all your stuff is fiction. i was just commenting on the deal made by poster and North would never do it. You already agreed on this earlier.

 

[MD Jazz]

No I am not a liar. I am not trying to be misleading. I don't see what that achieves. Anyone can cross-check. I included all games played including championships. Lalor kicked 4 from 3 this year in championships. Although I disagree, you were the one who suggested to look at all games over the years not just this year. So why exclude championships? Personally I would have thought performance playing against the best would be even more important (although smaller pool size). I like Lalor at #1, I think he's more of what we need first-up. I think he has a higher ceiling and I think his defensive skills and ability to go forward and take big grabs is lacking for us. Yes, there's risk with every player. You like Smith. Fair enough, your value are different. It's called opinion. I would be happy to get Smith if he was still at #6. Don't sweat, your life isn't hanging in the balance (I hope).

My original post was a reply to bengal after his pot shots at Jagga's reluctance to shoot for goal and his general ineffectiveness. Including all Coates/U18 games sees them about the same in goals per game. But you can see lalor or FOS being used forward of the ball more than Jagga at AFL level given their size etc. And Jagga's greater effectiveness inside the contest. It's all moot really.

I am not potting Lalor or FOS, they both look potential stars of the AFL. They have plenty of the right attributes. I hope we draft both. And I hope we get Smith as well, I just find the criticism of Smith pretty flimsy when you watch his endless highlights and look at the stats.

My life is going OK and will be OK regardless of who we draft and how the RFC goes for the next few decades. The bigger risk to my mental health is my continued poor chipping & putting.