Thoroughbred racing

[tigerman]

Probably still a bit to come out in the Weir inquiry. Unless there's some major things i'm guessing a big part of the case against Weir and co will be the alleged use of jiggers.

Weir has an outstanding success rate when the blinkers go on. Jiggers are used in the whip, trainers and jockeys can't get away with using them in a race, so some trainers have started using them in conjunction with blinkers.

The way it's been explained to me is that when blinkers go on the first time in track work, the horse will be urged for more of an effort, ie yelled at, and are then given a crack with the whip/jigger. When they are ready to race with them on the horse is yelled at, and expecting a few volts tries harder than what they might normally do so.

If this is the main part of the case against that's alleged against them, and they're found guilty it will be interesting what the penalty will be.

 

[tigerman]

Weir and McLean been charged with possession of an electronic device, and with refusing to answer questions from the stewards. All their horses Australia wide have been scratched.

 

[jb03]

All pretty odd. Although jiggers are no good, not sure why you need a shedload of coppers there to find those. The stewards could have done that.

The gaining financial advantage by deception charge hasn't been applied yet.

 

[tigertim]

All pretty odd. Although jiggers are no good, not sure why you need a shedload of coppers there to find those. The stewards could have done that.

The gaining financial advantage by deception charge hasn't been applied yet.

I heard that it was common knowledge the police were investigating Weir (for 5 months) so if that’s true why would he be so dumb to have these jiggers on site?

 

[Tigers of Old]

Sport? Lol.

 

[tigerman]

All pretty odd. Although jiggers are no good, not sure why you need a shedload of coppers there to find those. The stewards could have done that.

Yes, and why did the Feds need to be there as well?

 

[Leysy Days]

Yep must be more to come.

Jiggers are big, the allegation in outlined is the big one.

 

[spook]

Yes, and why did the Feds need to be there as well?

Not to mention the media. Worded up.

 

[easy_tiger]

Sport? Lol.

Ive never really considered the nags a sport olds

Ive always thought of it as a colorful stock exchange

But, if you use the logic that the involvement of dirty cheats preclude an activity from being a sport

Then we would all be following the national scrabble champs

Even then theyde be caught with a ginseng/xanex cocktail and a micro thesaurus tatooed on their *smile*

 

[tigerman]

Ive never really considered the nags a sport olds

Ive always thought of it as a colorful stock exchange

But, if you use the logic that the involvement of dirty cheats preclude an activity from being a sport

Then we would all be following the national scrabble champs

Even then theyde be caught with a ginseng/xanex cocktail and a micro thesaurus tatooed on their *smile*

;D

easy, i'm sure the racing industry isn't as corrupt as the banks, insurance, religions, governments, lobbyist etc.

A lot of do gooders and wowsers getting up on their high horses, parden the pun.

 

[Bernie]

ET, I will pass the baton after the Expressway. The filly was too good with the run under her belt and coped with the wet track better than most predicted as Alizee blew from odds on. LSB headed them up into the straight to finish fourth on his first city Saturday attempt. He’s got another handicap win in him this campaign.

 

[easy_tiger]

ET, I will pass the baton after the Expressway. The filly was too good with the run under her belt and coped with the wet track better than most predicted as Alizee blew from odds on. LSB headed them up into the straight to finish fourth on his first city Saturday attempt. He’s got another handicap win in him this campaign.

Alizee made a fool of me. 2 x 1200m for a miler is unorthodox but obviously very wily.

Ill punt next week and at this early stage will be brooklyn hustle in the diamond prelude. I'd like 3-1

 

[easy_tiger]

Well ive gone early and backed brooklyn hustle in the Prelude @ 3s and in The Diamond @ 5s

Its a bit of an all or nothing play, which the observant will

note, is an oxymoron

 

[MD Jazz]

Weir not contesting. Imagine that is career over.

Will Racing VIC release the full details of the charges/findings?

Or do they wait until the outcome of McLean's hearing?

How extensive was his use of them? Given his success does it mean that jiggers do work? Will other trainers now be inclined to implement the tactic in training? Especially trainsers with smaller operations/less loose lips.

I know the whip debate raised the issue of whether the whip actually gets more out of a horse, this event could, by extension, confirm they do work.

Pretty sad day for racing when your leading trainer is an admitted cheat.

 

[tigerman]

Weir not contesting. Imagine that is career over.

Will Racing VIC release the full details of the charges/findings?

Or do they wait until the outcome of McLean's hearing?

How extensive was his use of them? Given his success does it mean that jiggers do work? Will other trainers now be inclined to implement the tactic in training? Especially trainsers with smaller operations/less loose lips.

I know the whip debate raised the issue of whether the whip actually gets more out of a horse, this event could, by extension, confirm they do work.

Pretty sad day for racing when your leading trainer is an admitted cheat.

It's my understanding that it's not just Weir and co that have been doing it. Having said that i don't know how wide spread it is, we'll probably never know.

 

[easy_tiger]

Given his success does it mean that jiggers do work?

Dogs salivate when you give them food

Horses run faster when you electrocute them

Ive heard it postulated that Weir somehow trained horses to associate blinkers with an electric shock at the 400m post.

His success rate with blinkers first time was very high.

Logic suggests he allegedly put blinkers on in track work and zapped em at the 400 so in a race, the horse anticipated it
And sprinted.

Pavlovs dog. Weirs horse.

I spose thats why theyre called trainers.

Think he had a less sophisticated way of allegedly making his favoured runners run slower than his non-favoured runners in certain races.

I dont think VRC will tell us much. Wouldve said to Weir
' life if you contest, 4 years if you go quietly'

Pretty sure me and jb broke this story years before

 

[tigerman]

Apparently 3 of the jiggers were found in Weir's master bedroom.

Why doesn't he say that he used them to spice up his love life

 

[MD Jazz]

Ive heard it postulated that Weir somehow trained horses to associate blinkers with an electric shock at the 400m post.

His success rate with blinkers first time was very high.

Logic suggests he allegedly put blinkers on in track work and zapped em at the 400 so in a race, the horse anticipated it
And sprinted.

How many times would he have used this method?

How many other trainsers are doing/will do the same thing?

Will be a lot opf pressure on Racing Vic to provide as much info as possible on this.

 

[tigerman]

Been wracking my brain on a recent Weir trained horse that won when the blinkers went on for the first time. Yogi is the most recent feature race winner that i can recall, he won the Sandown Cup, came home like a scolded cat. Craig Williams got a holiday for over use of the shillelagh.

 

[MD Jazz]

Been wracking my brain on a recent Weir trained horse that won when the blinkers went on for the first time. Yogi is the most recent feature race winner that i can recall, he won the Sandown Cup, came home like a scolded cat. Craig Williams got a holiday for over use of the shillelagh.

Makes you wonder how many jockeys were aware of the "training" tactics?