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Leysy's 2c on Weir.
He used jiggers to get an edge when blinkers were applied along with whip use, along with likely others means. Not sure how a horse knows where the 400m metre mark is to start running faster however.
He is a cheat who will always be remembered as such.
Still ILO he was/is a master horseman/trainer. Lot of tweets and such about running second to him costing them $$$. Sure that might be the case in some instances, but in most it wouldn’t have mattered.
Also fair play for putting his hand up and copping this on the chin. Most in this caper don’t. Come up with all sorts of excuses. His career and life is now defined in the poorest light. the length of suspension can't change that.
Interested in what Gyps has to say about the use of jiggers, Weir and this scandal. Leysy would hazard a guess these are more widely used than most think.
Only need to look at what Smerdon, Aquanita, O’Brien, Kavanagh and Co have been up to with other methods.
He used jiggers to get an edge when blinkers were applied along with whip use, along with likely others means. Not sure how a horse knows where the 400m metre mark is to start running faster however.
He is a cheat who will always be remembered as such.
Still ILO he was/is a master horseman/trainer. Lot of tweets and such about running second to him costing them $$$. Sure that might be the case in some instances, but in most it wouldn’t have mattered.
Also fair play for putting his hand up and copping this on the chin. Most in this caper don’t. Come up with all sorts of excuses. His career and life is now defined in the poorest light. the length of suspension can't change that.
Interested in what Gyps has to say about the use of jiggers, Weir and this scandal. Leysy would hazard a guess these are more widely used than most think.
Only need to look at what Smerdon, Aquanita, O’Brien, Kavanagh and Co have been up to with other methods.
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easy_tiger
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Leysy Days said:
Just condition them leysy.
Not to be able to read numbers, but give them a zap after some jockey decisive prompt.
Which suggests most jockeys would be aware of the technique and prompts?
All horses are educated like that, usually minus the electricity.
Ive got a stockhorse that if you give him a jam sandwitch, he'll go and round up jack reiwoldt the bull all on his own.
Four years is a harsh sentence for possession of jiggers alone. Suspect there is more to Weir's success, especially given he was raided by the feds rather than Warrnambool CIB.
Truth be told, Weir was less of a problem to punters than most other racing crooks. He won prolifically, so you had to grant his runners an allowance when doing the form. The punter's true bane is in-and-out running.
Anyway he's out of the game, and the show will go on.
Truth be told, Weir was less of a problem to punters than most other racing crooks. He won prolifically, so you had to grant his runners an allowance when doing the form. The punter's true bane is in-and-out running.
Anyway he's out of the game, and the show will go on.
easy said:
Typically the zap is applied via a jab in the neck with the top of the whip handle. And yeah, after training, if replicated in a race without an electric charge, it's still likely to produce a response. Horses are pretty dumb but they have very long memories.
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easy_tiger
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Seemed to be a lot of times a weir fav got beat, it would be by a weir roughy to me L2.
I think theres plenty going on and hell do his 4 years quietly.
I suspect frankie dettori could be on the payroll
The way he took out everything but prince of penzance on the home turn
What confuses me most about this story is this ....
My elderley uncle, who is a ballarat punter, told me at christmas, they were about to come down on weir.
If my uncle knew, then it was common knowledge in racing circles.
So why keep jiggers in your undies drawer, unless Mrs Weir was partial to the odd jiggering, in which case youde contest the charges ? Surely youde take precautions and stick them in the freezer of the strapers beer fridge?
I reckon theres been an understanding. Well Find 3 jiggers, dont contest , you do 4 years. The world will forget 3 jiggers in a week.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I know jiggers are serious but the whole involvement of the Feds and issuing out a statement of likely charges before any charges were laid is pretty. Dunno why the Feds would be needed to find the jiggers. The original discussion of profiting by deception seems to have gone away. All seems a bit OTT for what have ultimately been the charges.
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easy_tiger
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Bernie said:
I wont be backing him bernie. Havnt seen his burst since the guineas. Not to say its gone, but im not going to try guess when it returns.
The Orr often seems to be won by a cox plate type horse i reckon. Ive got a bit of a feeling, nothing more, about D'argento. If he can go first up like he did this time last year against winx, he will give it a shake.
Having said all that, my punting autism has kicked in and i can think of nothing but brooklyn hustle braining them and me taking a wheelbarrow to the tote to collect..
UNCO'S on her for $44.
Jake said:
I can see how you would expect a little more rigour out of Olly if youde backed bart, jake.
I wish L2R2 did racing stats and he could tell us how often a weir fav got beat by a weir roughy in relation to how often this happened to other trainers with multiple runners in a race.
Us punters can scapegoat and confirm bias at an elite level and it would good to see data.
I would have thrown avdulla in my septic tank and shut the lid after his kementari ride in the doncaster i think?
easy said:
Everyone seems more concerned for weirs owners who have benefitted from Weirs malfeasance than the owners whose horses were beaten by his horses in potentially dubious circumstances.
And yes the Weir roughy knocking off the favourite continued yesterday too.
There may be evidence in betting patterns that ubderpins some of this.
And I am always amazed how there never seems to be an honest or disgruntled employee who reports this behaviour. (As an aside, for all the issues in banking there is only one whistleblower rolled out by the media...the bloke who worked in claims for one insurance company. MLeigh Sales was using him as some sort of guru into all things rotten in banking last week)
MD Jazz said:
Is he suspended for on track events as he wasn't engaged at all at Caulfield nor was D Yendall. Though D Lane had a strong boo of rides. Anything to be gleaned?
