Chol back to his worst today. 6 disposal 2 hit outs, 0 tackles. Once again I just saw him walking around when he should have been chasing. One time around the defensive 50 he just gave up the chase and opponent had a shot at goal. He's one of lazy or has no tank or both. He has some talent but so many of his actions are anti team. My pet dislike with Chol is his sagging off behind a contest for the hopeful cheap goal, when, as a tall, he should be smashing the packs. I don't regret him leaving.
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Yep, was watching him too, definitely lazy in that he wants to get an easy kick. Lurks around the edge of packs hoping to one out the back.
Only saw bits of the game but that included a pathetic boundary throw in where he provided zero contest and Goldstein was easily able to take the ball in two hands and give it off to a team mate who goaled. Goldstein looked like a 20 yo and Chol a plodding no hoper (with fancy hair color). No loss to us for sure.
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The Dees are just bumping along the middle atm. PRE bye we expect a certain amount of slogging football. And a the odd upset.
Most interesting to me to see how Petracca comes back after the bye.
He’s lame. He’s been lame all year. It doesn’t seem to be getting better. He’s still a fraction slower and his kicking is off.
This is hurting them.
In terms of youth coming through I think it came through last year. Jackson, Petty, Sparrow, Pickett, Bowey have all had opportunity but plateaued.
They’ve looked very gettable all year.
After the bye we will get conclusive information. If they don’t level up they are in trouble.
Jack Viney is their #3 mid. He’s not much good.
Most interesting to me to see how Petracca comes back after the bye.
He’s lame. He’s been lame all year. It doesn’t seem to be getting better. He’s still a fraction slower and his kicking is off.
This is hurting them.
In terms of youth coming through I think it came through last year. Jackson, Petty, Sparrow, Pickett, Bowey have all had opportunity but plateaued.
They’ve looked very gettable all year.
After the bye we will get conclusive information. If they don’t level up they are in trouble.
Jack Viney is their #3 mid. He’s not much good.
They had a too easy early draw for premiers, let's see if they can level up now it is starting to get to the serious end of the season. Still think they are the team to beat but we'll see what happens from here.
DS
Agree with your view on our ill discipline.
Not so much on your thoughts concerning Soldo. In assessing our rucks, look at how we fare against the best and against the best Nank smply doesn't have the reach. Soldo our best option and unless Mate Colina comes from nowhere, Soldo should lead our rucks with Nank supporting off the bench.
Tarrant played well against Essendon but otherwise has been poor. Balta to replace him (permanently) when fit.
George is a real problem. IMO Baker is by far the more reliable and should replace him with Stacky (and Ralphsmith) taking over at half back.
Short has been a winner as a mid and demonstrates again that we don't have to persevere with junior mids who go in without the necessary skill set, and then out having not been able to produce consistently, (Aarts and Ross).
The Sonsie to be played as a mid/forward off the bench.
We can't afford to lose again but we also need to ensure a win that can provide a setting from which we can again attempt a top 4 finish.
To produce both results the match committee needs to take on a little experimentation.
My best 23 V Port would be,
B Broad Balta Grimes
HB Stack Vlastuin Rioli D,
C McIntosh Cotchin Pickett
HF Baker Graham Bolton
F Martin Gibcus Riewoldt
R Soldo Short Prestia
I/C Nankervis, Ralphsmith, Rioli M Jr and Sonsie.
Sub Edwards.
TBC Lambert and Lynch.
In Balta, Pickett, Sonsie* and Stack.
Out Aarts, Castagna, Edwards, Ross and Tarrant.
Swans were harder at the ball and relentless with their pressure. A few short steps from the Dees: Langdon, Bowey, Gawn off the top of my head.
I thought Sydney was the better team all night. The quarter-time scoreboard was a lie, but also showed how quickly Melbourne can score.
Petracca does look lame. Petty is important and he's busted up. May crucial for them.
Melbourne are hunted every week this year....when teams smell blood they go even harder. they need to freshen up or will be out of the top 4 come the pointy end.
Disagree with most of this. Tarrant has played one good game for us, Essendon.
He may have been a very good player at North, but he has done nothing at Richmond to suggest he is still capable of holding down the position.
He is now relatively slow and his ball handelingnreflects his growing and understandable fall in confidence.
Luckily we still have Balta and the selection of Gibcus at last years draft has, despite his inexperience, also provided a better option.
(Unfortunately if Tarrant is selected against fully available sides like a Brisbane, Carlton or a Geelong their tall forwards will kill us).
Ditto Shedds. He has been an all time great and arguably our best ever indigenous player, but he is now a shadow of his former self.
Hopefully with the careful use of the Sub role he will be nursed through to 300. He deserves that level of respect and it won’t surprise if he is offered a non playing role at the club next year. Hope so anyway.
(Cotch and Jack have also slowed considerably and have the endeavour but no longer the capacity to compete as they did even last year. Again it won’t surprise if this season is also their last).
The loss against Sydney … we should have shared the win, as well as Geelong and Collingwood wins this weekend, has put the pressure on, in terms of a top 4 finish, (which has to be our aim),
We can’t afford losses now and while there is no need for panic the idea of persusting with (old man) Tarrant, and sending Balta forward, is no longer a sensible option.
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Second quarters have been Richmond’s strength in the first half of the 2022 season.
The Tigers have won nine of their 11 second terms, outscoring opponents by a combined total of 103 points in those games – 49.23 (317) to 30.34 (214).
It’s a different story, however, when you look at Richmond’s last quarters this year, with five wins from the 11 games.
The opposition has outscored the Tigers by 41 points overall in final terms – 41.29 (275) to 34.30 (234).
Third quarters have been good, with eight wins, while the score-line in opening terms is seven wins and four losses.
Richmond’s overall best quarter so far this season is the 7.4 (46) it scored in the final term against West Coast 4.1 (25), Round 7, Optus Stadium.
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The Tigers have won nine of their 11 second terms, outscoring opponents by a combined total of 103 points in those games – 49.23 (317) to 30.34 (214).
It’s a different story, however, when you look at Richmond’s last quarters this year, with five wins from the 11 games.
The opposition has outscored the Tigers by 41 points overall in final terms – 41.29 (275) to 34.30 (234).
Third quarters have been good, with eight wins, while the score-line in opening terms is seven wins and four losses.
Richmond’s overall best quarter so far this season is the 7.4 (46) it scored in the final term against West Coast 4.1 (25), Round 7, Optus Stadium.
Mid-season quarter-by-quarter analysis
Second quarters have been Richmond’s strength in the first half of the 2022 season.
We know this AT, with our eyes. But its good that the numbers reaffirm this.
It goes further, we are ranked #1 in Q2, plus ranked 6 and 5 in Q1 and Q3. Very solid. But a miserable 14th in Q4.
Our percentage in Q4 is 85%. That includes our best quarter of 46 points vs WC!
We are horrible in Q4, and not much better in Q3. And other clubs know it. Thats a big rock to carry for the rest of the season, that even 30 points in front we are catchable.
On the positive is that we are #2nd in the league for quarters won.
Now that can include minor wins but it demonstrates that we are capable of contending, if we can run out games!
This is an interesting stat breakdown
www.matterofstats.com
It goes further, we are ranked #1 in Q2, plus ranked 6 and 5 in Q1 and Q3. Very solid. But a miserable 14th in Q4.
Our percentage in Q4 is 85%. That includes our best quarter of 46 points vs WC!
We are horrible in Q4, and not much better in Q3. And other clubs know it. Thats a big rock to carry for the rest of the season, that even 30 points in front we are catchable.
On the positive is that we are #2nd in the league for quarters won.
Now that can include minor wins but it demonstrates that we are capable of contending, if we can run out games!
This is an interesting stat breakdown
MatterOfStats 2022 : Team Dashboard for Round 11 — Matter of Stats
The Ranking on Dashboard Metrics data appears below and shows that every team in the Top 8 on the ladder is in the bottom 8 on at least one metric, and in the bottom 6 on at least one metric for all but one of the teams. Ranking on Scoring Shot Conversion and Q2 performances are, relatively speakin
www.matterofstats.com
Good snapshot.
Supports Leysy's observation that we need more runners/midfielders to share the load so we are still at full throttle in the last.
i.e. Soldo out for a runner.
Supports Leysy's observation that we need more runners/midfielders to share the load so we are still at full throttle in the last.
i.e. Soldo out for a runner.
We know this AT, with our eyes. But its good that the numbers reaffirm this.
It goes further, we are ranked #1 in Q2, plus ranked 6 and 5 in Q1 and Q3. Very solid. But a miserable 14th in Q4.
Our percentage in Q4 is 85%. That includes our best quarter of 46 points vs WC!
We are horrible in Q4, and not much better in Q3. And other clubs know it. Thats a big rock to carry for the rest of the season, that even 30 points in front we are catchable.
On the positive is that we are #2nd in the league for quarters won.
Now that can include minor wins but it demonstrates that we are capable of contending, if we can run out games!
This is an interesting stat breakdown
MatterOfStats 2022 : Team Dashboard for Round 11 — Matter of Stats
The Ranking on Dashboard Metrics data appears below and shows that every team in the Top 8 on the ladder is in the bottom 8 on at least one metric, and in the bottom 6 on at least one metric for all but one of the teams. Ranking on Scoring Shot Conversion and Q2 performances are, relatively speakin
It's one of the reasons why I believe we should be on min 8 wins (32 points) and knocking on top 4. We have played pretty well but dropped some games that we shouldn't have.
RD 1 V Carlton and RD 11 V Swans, we literally threw these games away by undisciplined acts.
V Saints just too much talent out (Jack, Prestia, Dusty, Vlustuin, Lambert) and lost Grimes late in the 3rd but still were 25 up late in the 3rd.
My sentiments also. Ralphsmith is a good start and must stay in. Another 1-2 will address this issue.
In saying that, two of these games blues and swans were our own doing, Giving blues 4 goals by 50-meter penalties and 5 goals to Sydney won't get you the 4 points no matter how many runners we have. Gifting free goals is just dumb football. Surely, this has been a focus over the bye addressing these undisciplined acts.
Saints, we just had too much talent out but couldn't arrest the slide when the saints came hard at us and the crows the umps played their part 33 frees to 13.
Dimma loves his two rucks I'm soo so on it, not fussed either way. Balta I want to keep at full-back can take any key forward has the strength and has offensive weapons to hurt his opponents.
Who would you have rotate with Nank? I think the days of a Shaun Grigg type ruck like Pickett are gone.
The problem with Soldo is he's a good tap ruckman but that's about it, need more from him around the ground.
RICHMOND
Record: 6 wins, 5 losses
Ladder position: 9th
What’s working: After an inconsistent start, the Tigers posted four straight wins before falling short at the SCG in round 11. Daniel Rioli has embraced his role at half-back, Jayden Short is having a career year, Shai Bolton has had moments of brilliance, Maurice Rioli has provided energy as a small forward, while co-captain Toby Nankervis has been a physical presence. They rank second for points per game (98.1), third for goals and scores per inside-50, and fifth for scores from turnover, the latter a good sign of their pressure-led, premiership
DNA. The Tigers rank No.1 for scoring from kick-ins, highlighting why they are so dangerous when able to will the ball forward.
What’s not: Coach Damien Hardwick has bemoaned his team’s ill-discipline, conceding too many free kicks. Key forward Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt have been wayward in front of goal. Injuries have hurt, while Dustin Martin’s absence for seven rounds – to grieve his father’s death, with the blessing of the club – left the Tigers without their lone genuine superstar. Martin’s return corresponded with an on-field lift. Former Kangaroo Robbie Tarrant is still finding his way in a new system. They need to tighten defensively through the midfield, having conceded a score from 45.7 per cent of opposition forward-50 entries.
Surprise packet: The Tigers took Josh Gibcus with the ninth pick in last year’s national draft for a reason – but the key defender has exceeded expectations. The former Greater Western Victoria Rebel has played nine games, and been handed tough assignments, none more so than Lance Franklin.
The run home: The Tigers have been hard to decipher for only one of their six wins – against the Western Bulldogs – has been against a top-eight side. They are a genuine finals contender but will need to make the most of their remaining fixture – they face only four of the current top-eight teams – to secure the double chance. –
Jon Pierik
Mid-season report: Blues’ testing run home, Saints’ surprise, where Tigers can improve
Record: 6 wins, 5 losses
Ladder position: 9th
What’s working: After an inconsistent start, the Tigers posted four straight wins before falling short at the SCG in round 11. Daniel Rioli has embraced his role at half-back, Jayden Short is having a career year, Shai Bolton has had moments of brilliance, Maurice Rioli has provided energy as a small forward, while co-captain Toby Nankervis has been a physical presence. They rank second for points per game (98.1), third for goals and scores per inside-50, and fifth for scores from turnover, the latter a good sign of their pressure-led, premiership
DNA. The Tigers rank No.1 for scoring from kick-ins, highlighting why they are so dangerous when able to will the ball forward.
What’s not: Coach Damien Hardwick has bemoaned his team’s ill-discipline, conceding too many free kicks. Key forward Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt have been wayward in front of goal. Injuries have hurt, while Dustin Martin’s absence for seven rounds – to grieve his father’s death, with the blessing of the club – left the Tigers without their lone genuine superstar. Martin’s return corresponded with an on-field lift. Former Kangaroo Robbie Tarrant is still finding his way in a new system. They need to tighten defensively through the midfield, having conceded a score from 45.7 per cent of opposition forward-50 entries.
Surprise packet: The Tigers took Josh Gibcus with the ninth pick in last year’s national draft for a reason – but the key defender has exceeded expectations. The former Greater Western Victoria Rebel has played nine games, and been handed tough assignments, none more so than Lance Franklin.
The run home: The Tigers have been hard to decipher for only one of their six wins – against the Western Bulldogs – has been against a top-eight side. They are a genuine finals contender but will need to make the most of their remaining fixture – they face only four of the current top-eight teams – to secure the double chance. –
Jon Pierik
Mid-season report: Blues’ testing run home, Saints’ surprise, where Tigers can improve
How many 'Genuine superstars' are there?
What does it even mean?
If we're talking players in Dusty's category, there's two.
Dusty. Franklin.
I don't see any team with more than one of them.
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