The Official "RFC Coaching Position" Discussion Thread

[Dyer Disciple]

Thats my concern Disco.I think we also need to look at our results closer.We struggled to beat an undermanned Melbourne,we couldn't put away or beat North who have hardly won a game all year & last week's win against the Bombers who appear to be running out of gas (Getting beaten by the Eagles) is not as impressive as we thought.In time I think Rawlings will be a good coach but not sure if he's ready for a senior gig yet.

Spot on. That's exactly what I was saying last week after the Bummers loss and since then we have gone on to beat Melbourne in a kick after the siren (by the worst player all day) in a dreadful display of tactics and the side we beat last week that so many were happy with coaching wise, got beaten by West Coast this weekend. A side many on here were talking as a monty to not win another game this year.

I wonder how people would be discussing Jade had Mcmahon missed that kick hmmm?

Jade has a lot to like about him as a person and coach, however he has shown nothing of true substance yet.

As long as the process is true and thorough it won't be putting too much weight on our win/loss stat and will be focussing on much more indicative criteria.

 

[Tiger74]

Spot on. That's exactly what I was saying last week after the Bummers loss and since then we have gone on to beat Melbourne in a kick after the siren (by the worst player all day) in a dreadful display of tactics and the side we beat last week that so many were happy with coaching wise, got beaten by West Coast this weekend. A side many on here were talking as a monty to not win another game this year.

I wonder how people would be discussing Jade had Mcmahon missed that kick hmmm?

Jade has a lot to like about him as a person and coach, however he has shown nothing of true substance yet.

As long as the process is true and thorough it won't be putting too much weight on our win/loss stat and will be focussing on much more indicative criteria.

to be fair, being a caretaker sucks. Its not your team (the way you would build it anyway), and their development has not been per your requirements, and their training has been around programs that may be contrary to yours.

In addition, you are often selecting a side to determine players futures rather than to get the best chance of a win.

As such, we will not see the "real" Jade until he has had a pre-season to get his own systems in place.

This being said, my uneducated belief is while Jade "ticks the boxes" on the motivation side and the team building side, I worry about his tactical nouse and his ability to develop the list. IF he gets the job, I'd be wanting to have someone like Laidley riding shot-gun who can handle that side of things.

Have a similar view for Richardson. Great development coach, but question marks over tactical match day knowledge. Another one who will need a Laidley type supporting him.

 

[Hypoxic]

I do not bet on footy matches but I have just heard that some bookmakers are not taking any more bets on Leigh Matthews being the new coach.

 

[josey]

Was discussing Jade with my mate on the way to the game yesterday.

It occurred to me that perhaps Jade is not really showing us how good he is, it is just he is showing us how bad Wallace was. Jade obviously understands the basic requirements of coaching.

IMO Jade has performed to a level that every professional coach should be able to. Whether he is the right man for the job is another matter. If he gets the job it should be based soley on his presentation to selection panel, not what he has been able to do in the last half of the year.

Simply showing us how bad Wallace was should not be enough to get the job.

 

[Jason King]

Sorry Jade, but that was Melbourne..... a team gunning for a priority pick and you couldnt get your team firing ?? The tigers should have banged the demons harder than bubba with a new cell mate.

Melbourne threw massive numbers behind the play and we couldnt do anything to get on top. Our disposal was actually worse than the demons.

My nephew and i were torn at the end of the game. It was a win, but a win against the demons. If we truly are that bad then we are in for a world of hurt next year.

 

[cmarkidis]

If this process is true, Rawlings cannot possibly be appointed coach on a permanent basis. How a person that has done nothing other than coach a VFL team, and was appointed caretaker coach arbitrarily; prove to be a better fit than someone who has played in premiership teams and been part of a premiership coaching panel is incomprehensible. I hope this process is not flawed, because if it is we're cactus.

 

[Harry]

If we truly are that bad then we are in for a world of hurt next year.

We are that bad, if not worse. we have a bottom 2-3 list and we've been fortunate with injuries. our list needs major changes and we have alot of pain before it gets better. this is why some on these boards repeat themselves regarding tanking for draft picks we need early picks and we need alot of them we don't need cheap meaningless wins at the end of the season. we also need to trade anyone over a certain age that can attract decent picks and decent I mean inside the top 40 to 50. cousins if need be.

we are in for a world of alot of hurt in the next 2-3 years - tiger fans accept it.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Hird has categorically stated in the press today that he won't coach at any level next year.

 

[Ocker]

We are that bad, if not worse. we have a bottom 2-3 list and we've been fortunate with injuries. our list needs major changes and we have alot of pain before it gets better. this is why some on these boards repeat themselves regarding tanking for draft picks we need early picks and we need alot of them we don't need cheap meaningless wins at the end of the season. we also need to trade anyone over a certain age that can attract decent picks and decent I mean inside the top 40 to 50. cousins if need be.

we are in for a world of alot of hurt in the next 2-3 years - tiger fans accept it.

Geezus...lighten up Harry, anyone would think listening to you that we had no talent on our list what so ever.
We have a good crop of young kids coming through, that will improve TOGETHER - as a team. No more fat-head seniority issues / cliques (which was a real issue) and we will pick up more goods kids in this years draft (1 x top 10) as well as cutting away more dead wood.
I'm assuming you're attending most games?
If so you can't deny there has been a helluva lot ipmrovement within the team - Vickery, Post, Morton, Cotchin, Nahas, McGuane, Rance etc...all young blokes - give them time.
No one is expecting some miracle transformation - then again, maybe some are?
Imagine if we did go so low (not win the games we have) and managed to get 'our saviour' Scully?
God forbid if he didn't pull the rest of the list up the ladder - how absurd when you think about it.
No guarantees with any kid - none.

Mate, you're like a Bulldog chewing on a wasp.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

From the Herald-Sun:
COLLINGWOOD coach Mick Malthouse says he cannot guarantee he will serve out his three-year term as coaching director if another club offers him a senior position.

A two-year term for our next coach would be the wisest option.

 

[btoz_01]

From the Herald-Sun:
COLLINGWOOD coach Mick Malthouse says he cannot guarantee he will serve out his three-year term as coaching director if another club offers him a senior position.

A two-year term for our next coach would be the wisest option.

Agree.
I would add 2 years +1 year option for our next coach.

 

[TOT70]

Scumwood would be very pleased if Mick found another senior coaching job in two years time. It would save them close to $3mill , which they would have to pay him for looking over Buckley's shoulder and causing trouble during that time.

The first two year part of their arrangement is inspired, it allows for a smooth handover of power. The last part is very problematic.

 

[pahoffm]

Scumwood would be very pleased if Mick found another senior coaching job in  two years time.  It would save them close to $3mill , which they would have to pay him for looking over Buckley's shoulder and causing trouble during that time.

The first two year part of their arrangement is inspired, it allows for a smooth handover of power.  The last part is very problematic.

That's my guess too.

Providing Buckley works out for them.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

to be fair, being a caretaker sucks. Its not your team (the way you would build it anyway), and their development has not been per your requirements, and their training has been around programs that may be contrary to yours.

In addition, you are often selecting a side to determine players futures rather than to get the best chance of a win.

As such, we will not see the "real" Jade until he has had a pre-season to get his own systems in place.

This being said, my uneducated belief is while Jade "ticks the boxes" on the motivation side and the team building side, I worry about his tactical nouse and his ability to develop the list. IF he gets the job, I'd be wanting to have someone like Laidley riding shot-gun who can handle that side of things.

Have a similar view for Richardson. Great development coach, but question marks over tactical match day knowledge. Another one who will need a Laidley type supporting him.

Totally agree mate. I have a few further reservations, but will keep them under my hat for now. It's a tough job top be a caretaker, especially at Richmond. Jade's has been outstanding, however I don't think for one second he has been truly tested. There are a few aspects we get a better idea of him on, however there is pros and cons to even that.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

From the Herald-Sun:
COLLINGWOOD coach Mick Malthouse says he cannot guarantee he will serve out his three-year term as coaching director if another club offers him a senior position.

A two-year term for our next coach would be the wisest option.

The minute we start judging contract lengths by external factors in the market we loose the plot. Hawthorn tried that with Matthews and learnt their lesson by the time it came to Clarkson (contracts ending at different times).

 

[Tiger74]

Jade's has been outstanding, however I don't think for one second he has been truly tested.

Agree with this. Just as I don't think the negs of RFC performances should weigh against him, the improvements also need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Its a nice add on for the resume, but he still needs the full grilling of the interview process.

 

[Tigerchris]

Yeah scraped through 2 teams that were tanking & beat an undermaned bombers give him a 5yr deal ! Unleash the Geish has come to haunt us again !

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Agree with this. Just as I don't think the negs of RFC performances should weigh against him, the improvements also need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I agree to a point, I've said consistently on here it should not be about win/loss column.

However I think when Coachs coach, even in caretaker roles, they display a lot of their preferences and opinions/values. These can be judged.

There's a few factors to consider here that work for and against Jade that other candidates don't have. Personally I think these things will have a tremendous influence on whether they stamp or paper shred his application depending on the Boards attitude.

It SHOULD all come down to who is the most credentialled and promising for the future of RFC on tangible/solid criteria. There is always a element of faith, guessing, romanticisim etc on future appointments obviously as no one can read into the future. The trick is to keep such to an absolute minimum. There has to be more past record and solid references to vouch for a future coach than there is good will appeal and blind faith they will develop into something special.

 

[Smoking Aces]

I was listening to Akermanis last night on Foxtel with Gerard, Mike and Hirdy. As we all know he is known to say some controversial things from time to time, but he has a very good knowledge of the game, speaks extremely well and is a true professional when it comes to preparing himself for the rigours of AFL footy.

What are peoples thoughts on getting Aker to the club in an assistant coaches role assuming he does not play next year?

 

[Dyer Disciple]

I was listening to Akermanis last night on Foxtel with Gerard, Mike and Hirdy. As we all know he is known to say some controversial things from time to time, but he has a very good knowledge of the game, speaks extremely well and is a true professional when it comes to preparing himself for the rigours of AFL footy.

What are peoples thoughts on getting Aker to the club in an assistant coaches role assuming he does not play next year?

I think you will find Aker will play next year. As far as Aker as a assistant coach, nost sure how I feel about that. I agree with you he is a sharp footy brain, however he is also very much his own man and I think in retirement he would only step up media appointments and I don't know how others feel but I am done with coaching staff in media roles.

We needed it with Wallace initially but no more now please.