Chol helped us win a premiership in 2020 although both didn’t actually play in the Grand Final.
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The Blair "Which?" Project
- Thread starter Tony Braxton-Hicks
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We didn't sacrifice the coverage we had for nank. We have ruckman in reserve.
I'm unsure what you're claiming has cost us 10s of millions, but nothing re: Soldo cost us that much.
Please, read the interview. Before season 23 was over, he had made his mind to leave to further enhance his career. He was going. We either had to capitalise on the fact he had 12 months left and use it as leverage for the trade. Or, we could wait 12 months until he was out of contact and.....try convince him to stay as second fiddle to Nank?
Never going to happen.
He was going but he wasn't leaving by the PSD. He wasn't up to Free Agency. Does that not raise the possibility that we were still in a position to benefit from a trade. Port should have been even more "excited" about that possibility 12 months on.
Has Clarke left??
What an absolute howler not to notice Songilo (who was playing in our 2nds).
And to compound it we had 5 picks that draft and we still missed him.
And we used 2 on Sony & Banks.
I'm sick of tired of them missing kids who are playing in our jumper.
This isn't new. I remember Adelaide took John Klug from our 2's.
it's time this club started looking at the quality kids playing in the suburbs in Melbourne instead of always looking beyond.
What an absolute howler not to notice Songilo (who was playing in our 2nds).
And to compound it we had 5 picks that draft and we still missed him.
And we used 2 on Sony & Banks.
I'm sick of tired of them missing kids who are playing in our jumper.
This isn't new. I remember Adelaide took John Klug from our 2's.
it's time this club started looking at the quality kids playing in the suburbs in Melbourne instead of always looking beyond.
No, when a player is out of contract, the destination club has the leverage. Always has. Always will.
Your language is all wrong. We did benefit from a trade. We received picks back. If he went into this year with no contract, we'd have gotten less this year.
You're also not thinking about Port. Remember that this is Hinkley's last contract. They'll hand the team to their coach in waiting in 25.
They're giving Hinkley every chance to win a flag this year, while Dixon etc are still around. If they didn't get Soldo, they'd have gone somewhere else.
Soldo was a perfect fit for Port. We got fairly compensated.
Its a long season as #1 Ruck lets see how Soldo goes over the full season.
Hopefully for Port he stands tall with no injuries.
Nankervis helped us to 3 flags so far. You cant deny a guy who wants a fulltime position as #1 Ruck.
Its a long season as #1 Ruck lets see how Soldo goes over the full season.
Hopefully for Port he stands tall with no injuries.
Nankervis helped us to 3 flags so far. You cant deny a guy who wants a fulltime position as #1 Ruck.
Melbourne got pick 46 and Sydney's 2024 second-rounder for Brodie Grundy, arguably the second-best ruckman of his generation. In the same trade period we got picks 41, 49, Fremantle's 2024 second-rounder, and Port's 2024 fourth-rounder, for Ivan Soldo and pick 50.
We got the best deal we possibly could, for essentially a reserves player.
We got the best deal we possibly could, for essentially a reserves player.
Exactly right. Who says WCE are gonna finish last. I’m tipping they won’t, and if our run with injury continues, they could easily finish above us
kind of seeing it as a flush-out year ..
we are armed with draft picks that will undoubtedly increase come the end of the season - ladder position, retirements, trades..
some of it we can control, some of it we can't ..
what does Bruce Lee say? ..."be like water.."
we are armed with draft picks that will undoubtedly increase come the end of the season - ladder position, retirements, trades..
some of it we can control, some of it we can't ..
what does Bruce Lee say? ..."be like water.."
General and others. I agree we did receive some benefit, but don’t agree that it was
adequate.
It was a poor deal which also broke up plans to have a back up for Nank and was one we shouldn’t have to have made.
According to your approach we would have to agree to try and trade a contracted player whenever such a request is made.? Rioli Bolton…
Ed and Collingwood ignored the contract Collingwood had with Treloar and pounded away at Treloar until he left.
Extreme example but that is where we finish up.
adequate.
It was a poor deal which also broke up plans to have a back up for Nank and was one we shouldn’t have to have made.
According to your approach we would have to agree to try and trade a contracted player whenever such a request is made.? Rioli Bolton…
Ed and Collingwood ignored the contract Collingwood had with Treloar and pounded away at Treloar until he left.
Extreme example but that is where we finish up.
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Trelol, Grundypants, ( someone else? ) n it won them a flag n now they've got salary cap room to chase a couple of key players and refresh their list.
It's a funny thing about contracts, clubs can push n shove even burn players and everyone shrugs their shoulders n moves on. But heaven help the *smile* player that feels the need for a career change / improvement or to go back home. Nothing but low life self centered traitors.
So the argument for not trading Soldo is that we needed a backup for Nank.
And the irony is that this is the one spot where we have great backup. Naismith a real footballer who in fab form in the vfl. Easily a better footballer thank Soldo and an equal as a ruck... Ryan as an improving ruck forward also in good form and getting opportunity to grow.
The club effectively replaced Soldo as backup through a free acquisition and got draft picks.
And the irony is that this is the one spot where we have great backup. Naismith a real footballer who in fab form in the vfl. Easily a better footballer thank Soldo and an equal as a ruck... Ryan as an improving ruck forward also in good form and getting opportunity to grow.
The club effectively replaced Soldo as backup through a free acquisition and got draft picks.
Good grief. There are a lot of people with short memories and dismissive of recent history. Offloading players en masse for the sake of stockpiling picks DOES NOT WORK. This leaves you anchored to the bottom and with a fractured culture that needs to be rebuilt. No thanks. How have the stockpiling of early picks gone for GCS or GWS??? A premiership is built through a combination of key elements that does not exclusively involve selling your current stars for the sake of an early pick that may end up not working out.
That's not what I said.
We didn't trade Soldo the year before....because we wanted him and had leverage to keep him. This year, coming into his last year of a contract, we didn't have as much leverage if we kept him.
I'm beginning to question if you're reading things properly.
Naismith....Sampson.....back-ups to Nank.....
Too tired to continue this conversation.
1 - Can you show us the value of rucks (in trade value of previous trade periods) of players that weren't number 1 rucks at their current club. Show us how we were not compensated adequately.
2 - The point you make about "broke up plans to have a back up for Nank" is incorrect. As General has said we have Naismith (who we got for free) and Samson on our list. How many rucks do you expect to be on our list outside of the Cat B's?
