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Terrorist attacks in Paris

Your experiences with Muslims is very different to mine. The many Muslims I call friends, those who invite me into their homes during Hari Raya to celebrate the occasion with them, socialise with them often, have never once made me feel like you think they do.

We are at war, that we agree with, but we have very different ideas on who the enemy is.
 
Baloo said:
Your experiences with Muslims is very different to mine. The many Muslims I call friends, those who invite me into their homes during Hari Raya to celebrate the occasion with them, socialise with them often, have never once made me feel like you think they do.

We are at war, that we agree with, but we have very different ideas on who the enemy is.
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I know Muslims, going to see AC/DC with one in a couple of weeks. Moderates, but would I trust them not to turn on the Australian government if an Islamic state looked likely? Hell no. Allah comes first, second and *smile*ing third.

Speaking of AC/DC, they recently played the Stade de France, a target of the weekend's attacks. I can just imagine the carnage if a group opened fire on an Etihad packed with 65K people. I will be familiarising myself with the exits in any case - one of the prices we must pay, even to live in the relative peace we have ATM, but of course totally foreign to the Australian way of life as we knew it.

I'm a pacifist at heart but considering joining a pro-nationalist organisation - not one that advocates the bashing of random Muslims or burning mosques, but one which which seeks to keep the major parties accountable on this critical issue.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I know Muslims, going to see AC/DC with one in a couple of weeks. Moderates, but would I trust them not to turn on the Australian government if an Islamic state looked likely? Hell no. Allah comes first, second and *smile*ing third.

Speaking of AC/DC, they recently played the Stade de France, a target of the weekend's attacks. I can just imagine the carnage if a group opened fire on an Etihad packed with 65K people. I will be familiarising myself with the exits in any case - one of the prices we must pay, even to live in the relative peace we have ATM, but of course totally foreign to the Australian way of life as we knew it.

I'm a pacifist at heart but considering joining a pro-nationalist organisation - not one that advocates the bashing of random Muslims or burning mosques, but one which which seeks to keep the major parties accountable on this critical issue.
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I didn't say you didn't know any, I said your experiences are different. If I had to guess I'd say this is a more cultural issue than religious. The muslims I know are predominantly Asian. I suspect the ones you know are middle eastern/arab/north african.
 
Like everyone else I'm devastated at what took place in Paris 3 days ago. To me it's pretty simple, what we are dealing with is a perverse ideology comprised of the Islamic Orthodoxy of the 7th century, combined with a macabre obscession with death. This is a cancer which in part has spread thanks to U.S foreign policy in the Middle East.
To me it is inevitable that another large scale war will break out in the region. But as far as we are concerned here in the Western world the problem is radicalisation of disaffected youth. I'm not sure what the solution is.
 
Baloo said:
The muslims I know are predominantly Asian. I suspect the ones you know are middle eastern/arab/north african.
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Was going to suggest that but didn't want to be patronising. 250 million Indonesians live peacefully enough on our doorstep. And Australia for the most part dutifully plays the good neighbour.
 
antman said:
Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. Sunni vs Shia.

Islam is not a brotherhood.
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Of course it is. Certain groups are simply regarded as "better" Muslims.

Why do Islamic leaders not stand with us in denouncing ISIS? Sure, they release carefully worded statements. But why do they not publicly demand their followers weed the black sheep from the flock and hand them to authorities? Where is the outrage? Where is the urgency? Where is the brotherhood with us, who gave them a home? Why are they not wearing the Team Australia jumper?
 
Yet despite all this, the biggest terrorist event by a single gunman that took the most lives happened in Norway, by a Norwegian, and didn't blame Islam for his madness.

It's a societal problem as much as a religious one
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Of course it is. Certain groups are simply regarded as "better" Muslims.

Why do Islamic leaders not stand with us in denouncing ISIS? Sure, they release carefully worded statements. But why do they not publicly demand their followers weed the black sheep from the flock and hand them to authorities? Where is the outrage? Where is the urgency? Where is the brotherhood with us, who gave them a home? Why are they not wearing the Team Australia jumper?
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http://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/paris-carnage-muslim-leaders-reaction-172498

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/
 
Baloo said:
Yet despite all this, the biggest terrorist event by a single gunman that took the most lives happened in Norway, by a Norwegian, and didn't blame Islam for his madness.

It's a societal problem as much as a religious one
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No doubt many terrorists operate under the shroud of religion, but you can't deny Middle Eastern terrorism and Islam are inextricably linked. Without the connection the terrorists would have no power, their own would turn on them.

YinnarTiger said:
http://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/paris-carnage-muslim-leaders-reaction-172498

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/
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Again, carefully worded and generic. There is no denunciation of the terrorists as "bad Muslims". There is no casting out from the flock.

Will there be public rallies against ISIS? People want to hear their local Islamic communities denounce ISIS and dissociate themselves totally from the movement. They want to know there is common thought. They want to be able to trust.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
No doubt many terrorists operate under the shroud of religion, but you can't deny Middle Eastern terrorism and Islam are inextricably linked. Without the connection the terrorists would have no power, their own would turn on them.
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Agree, but it's the terrorists abusing religion to gain a foothold. Islam itself isn't the problem, it's those that allow this to happen

Again, carefully worded and generic. There is no denunciation of the terrorists as "bad Muslims". There is no casting out from the flock.
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A bit like the same carefully worded and generic announcements Catholics the world over used when "denouncing" the IRA bombings. I don't see any difference between Islam and Catholics in how they've responded. For the sake of transparency, I was raised Catholic.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Again, carefully worded and generic. There is no denunciation of the terrorists as "bad Muslims". There is no casting out from the flock.
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So you missed these bits:

Sheikh Hasina Bangladesh Prime Minister

“Terrorists are terrorists irrespective of their colour, creed or religion and must have no place in any civilised society. We are together in our fight against terrorism and violent extremism.”



Recep T Erdogan Turkish President

"As a country that knows very well the manner and consequences of terrorism, we understand perfectly the suffering that France is experiencing now."



Hassan Rouhani Iranian President

“I strongly condemn these crimes against humanity."



Ahmed al-Tayeb head of Cairo's Al-Azhar University

"We denounce this hateful incident. The time has come for the world to unite to confront this monster. Such acts are contrary to all religious, humanitarian and civilised principles”



Adel al-Jubeir Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister

"The heinous terrorist attacks that took place yesterday ... are in violation and contravention of all ethics, morals and religions."



Ashraf Ghani Afghan President

"The merciless killings of Paris citizens indicate that terrorists do not know borders. They're enemies of all humanity."



Nawaz Sharif Pakistani Prime Minister

"I condemn this act of terror ... this brutal carnage."
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http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/the-projects-waleed-aly-praised-for-unity-message-in-the-wake-of-paris-attacks-20151116-gl0fz9.html
 
Baloo said:
Agree, but it's the terrorists abusing religion to gain a foothold. Islam itself isn't the problem, it's those that allow this to happen
A bit like the same carefully worded and generic announcements Catholics the world over used when "denouncing" the IRA bombings. I don't see any difference between Islam and Catholics in how they've responded. For the sake of transparency, I was raised Catholic.
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Similar in acting of terrorism, but didn't the IRA only bomb Great Britain?
 
TigerForce said:
Similar in acting of terrorism, but didn't the IRA only bomb Great Britain?
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And they often called in their bombs so people could evacuate, but that's really beside the point.

Europe's had plenty of terrorist groups that weren't religious in nature. ETA, Red Brigade etc. They all have some warped cause but the crux of it all is power and the thirst for power.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I can't see the words 'Muslim' or 'Islam' anywhere. Great care taken not to sh!t in their own backyard.

Just once, will an Islamic leader admit "Islam has a problem"?
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That would be admitting that the perpetrators were Islamic and that the so-called Islamic State is Islamic. The Islamic leaders are denying this recognition as genuine Muslims just as I deny that pedophile priests are genuine Catholics.
 
Just calling I S that is a problem, everyone should start calling it devils state, take a leaf from the old soccer days when a simple name change away from foreign country alignments did wonders, let the foolish join devils state and show it no respect as it deserves.
 
jokershoppe said:
Just calling I S that is a problem, everyone should start calling it devils state, take a leaf from the old soccer days when a simple name change away from foreign country alignments did wonders, let the foolish join devils state and show it no respect as it deserves.
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Yinnar already started calling them Daesh, a name they apparently hate. They'll be known as daesh to me as well now.
 
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