Talking Politics

[Tiggy Train]

Only Nebraska and Maine have proportional voting.

Yes I mentioned that in my post.

 

[IanG]

The biggest worry is seeing just how many Americans are susceptible to the dog whistling politics of hate. Where they have become so entrenched with a movement that they fail to realise they are being led by the nose by the very "elites" they are rallying against. They are unable to comprehend the constant stream of lies they are being fed because it's the movement, their identity, that they are committed too.

This lack of understanding is definitely a problem here as well, its demonstrated by several posters on this forum let alone the wider Aust. populace.

 

[Tigaman]

So I reckon you are a hundred years old to remember the Hitler days?

Octogenarian & Hitler was still in the news for quite a while after WW2 finished. Sieg Heil is still in ones memory for all the wrong reasons.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

The biggest worry is seeing just how many Americans are susceptible to the dog whistling politics of hate. Where they have become so entrenched with a movement that they fail to realise they are being led by the nose by the very "elites" they are rallying against. They are unable to comprehend the constant stream of lies they are being fed because it's the movement, their identity, that they are committed too.

Australia typically isn't far behind the US. We're already starting to see a similar style of politics here with a similar legion of movement followers. Our media is more at risk than the US with Murdoch owning most of the news outlets.

I might buy some shares in the Daily Mail.

Politics of hate and fear. By and large people, not just Americans, are driven by self interest. The key point seems to have been the economy, and the belief in the US, rightly or wrongly, is that Trump will handle that better. Personally, I think they’ll get a big disappointment in that area, but they wanted this.

 

[year of the tiger]

Alot of overreacting going on. Nothing much will change like it did during 2016 to 2020, then the Democrats will be back in power in 2028 and on and on we go.

The optimist in me says hope you’re right.

The realist in me thinks Trump has plenty to prove - just read their 2025 platform - that in its self sends chills through my spine.

Let alone the rhetoric that we heard throughout the election.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Alot of overreacting going on. Nothing much will change like it did during 2016 to 2020, then the Democrats will be back in power in 2028 and on and on we go.

The Democrats will take a long time to recover from this, and you’ve also got the possibility of Trump changing the constitution to remove the 2 term mandate.

 

[ToraToraTora]

Kamala was a really poor choice in the end.

They won't vote a woman in. Plus Dems campaign was as usual trash.

 

[mrposhman]

Honestly, a bit like listening to Trump, hard to know what you're talking about. How does 82 electoral votes (for California and New York) represent 2/3rds of the 224 she won. Sometimes you gain respect for just admitting the obvious, that you were wrong. Can you do that?

Its Trump maths, it doesn't make sense

 

[TigerMasochist]

But did he really win the election?

There have been reports of cheating by republicans everywhere, hanging chads, dead people had their votes counted, votes were counted twice and those counting machines are flawed.

I posted all this with black hair dye running down the side of my face.

Did ya blow your nose first n then start to mop up the hair dye?????

 

[IanS]

He'll deport a few and then lose interest, especially since, as you say, undocumented migrants do the *smile* jobs Americans want to avoid.

Bad loss for the Dems but not a landslide, a landslide involves winning more than the swing states which the Republicans did not do.

Biden inherited an economy where inflation was getting warmed up and growth was not great. Trump inherits a very healthy economy - inflation falling, productivity up, growth getting going. If he implements the tariffs he may well mess this up, but, hey, they're stuck with him for 4 years and it is unlikely the Dems could shift the Senate in 2026.

The exit poll data is interesting. Looks like the black vote barely moved, Dems lost a few percent of women voters, but the Latino vote, especially men, shifted substantially away from the Dems.

Time the Dems focussed more on the economic issues. Apart from the rich, Americans have been going backwards for 40 years. Bring back class as a focus, the middle and working classes have been screwed for decades (by both parties), and Trump ain't interested in them so it will just continue.

Oh well, whoever you vote for the government gets in, and this government will have control of congress, the presidency and the supreme court. We'll see what they do with it.

DS

I guess you didn't mention the popular vote because it was to early to call.

 

[Sintiger]

I guess you didn't mention the popular vote because it was to early to call.

Of course if US elections were won on popular vote then we would have had President Al Gore and President Hilary Clinton. Trump probably would have disappeared into the wilderness in 2016.
That’s what makes this result somewhat strange. He will win the popular vote and win the electoral college by about the same sort of margin as he did against Hilary when he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

 

[mrposhman]

Of course if US elections were won on popular vote then we would have had President Al Gore and President Hilary Clinton. Trump probably would have disappeared into the wilderness in 2016.
That’s what makes this result somewhat strange. He will win the popular vote and win the electoral college by about the same sort of margin as he did against Hilary when he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

That would be a good comparison. Where did he make up ground on the 2016 election results to now win the popular vote. Which states did he win more in.

I know that in Pennsylvania especially looks like he won more of the latino vote - I still find this strange based on what he and other Republicans have said about latinos, but that can't make it all up. Or where did Kamala lose voters. Certainly seems like she couldn't mobilise enough voters as the areas of those swing states where they new they had to increase their vote, it never happened.

 

[TigerForce]

Just hope we don't get a mass influx of disgruntled Americans wanting to move to Australia.

Watch this space.

 

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