Talking Politics

[Rosy]

I'm with you T74. I'm sick of getting all the crap in the mail too. It goes straight into the recycle bin, unread, as I come through the gate.

 

[Azza]

:tumbleweed

 

[Liverpool]

.....to save you looking back for more quotes the long period you mention started when Howard brought in the GST

Exactly, and you have the audacity to call ME biased...and say contradictory rubbish like this:

I'm not like you in making my mind up ages in advance and thus am likely to change my mind based on how I see things at the time.

Seems to me you made up your mind WELL in advance...

 

[mopsy fraser]

I understand your view Livers and that you are only telling it as it is, but it's not in the spirit of what democracy truly is. IMO, the major parties have the right the propose it's preferred policies, but when it comes time to vote on major issues, each elected member should vote according to the wishes of his/her electorate. If the vote goes against the party policy, the leader should be man enough to stand up and acknowledge the electorate's disapproval regarding the policy in question.

This shouldn't be compared to a private business where investors have put up their own money and therefore should control the business exclusively. Australia is funded and owned by all citizens and therefore all citizens should get to have a say.

One example, when Howard sold Telstra, he said, he had heard the electorate's view against selling Telstra but basically tough luck, he was selling it anyway.

So much for democracy.

the difference between democracy and a dictatorship is with democracy you get to choose your oppressor.

 

[Rosy]

Exactly, and you have the audacity to call ME biased...

Audacity? Don't you think you're biased? Have you posted anything negative or disapporoving of Johnny and/or the Libs and their campaign and policies? If you have I've missed it amongst your plethora of quotes and references bagging Rudd and Labor sorry.

As for your second comment I am still open minded. If Howard does makes the changes I'd like him to I'd possibly vote for him, I just can't see him doing it, hence my comments I won't be voting for him. As I've said I don't support one party or the other and haven't made my mind up who I'll vote for, if anyone.

Think I'll give up on you Livers when you make false claims and don't back them up. Hard for you to really when I'm not pro-Rudd and have said things against him as well as for him and have also stated I reckon they're all pretty much tarred with the same brush anyway.

 

[Liverpool]

Audacity? Don't you think you're biased? Have you posted anything negative or disapporoving of Johnny and/or the Libs and their campaign and policies? If you have I've missed it amongst your plethora of quotes and references bagging Rudd and Labor sorry.

I never said I wasn't biased!
I've openly stated that I'm voting for Howard and have said so for many months now.

The thing is, you are equally as biased being ANTI-Howard (and have been for months now), yet you keep saying you are 'open minded' and have the cheek to say you don't respect people who make up their mind so far out from the election because that means they are biased....as you post anti-Howard post after anti-Howard post on this thread. :rofl

C'mon Rosy....don't you find that contradictory with a twist of hypocrisy added?

 

[t-rob]

Polling today showed that Howard would lose Bennelong if an election was held this weekend. Whilst we are still too far out to accurately forecast the result, that would be oh so sweet!

This is the thing that scares me the most.

A vote for Liberal is not a vote for Howard it's a vote for the megalomaniacal smirking Peter Costello.

 

[Liverpool]

A reminder for people:


Wayne Swan on his official webpage (August 9th, 2007):

Well there’s no doubt that the Government is going to be spending like a drunken sailor and they shouldn’t be doing it. Kevin Rudd made it very clear yesterday we would not be matching them if they go on a spending spree.

We’re not going to match the Government in the spending spree so we are looking for the savings. That’s absolutely correct.

http://www.swanmp.org/swanmp/2007/08/transcript-inte.html


The tally so far (as of 29/10/2007):

An analysis by The Age shows the Coalition's spending plans announced during the campaign amount to $39.7 billion. That includes $34 billion for tax cuts, and hundreds of millions of dollars for roads that was set aside in the May budget.
Labor has promised an almost identical $40.5 billion, also consisting of billions of dollars of tax cuts and money for roads. It has also released many relatively small funding commitments aimed at local communities — many worth only hundreds of thousands of dollars.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/labor-vows-campaign-prudence/2007/10/28/1193555536214.html

 

[t-rob]

I have no doubt the Libs are gone.

and there is nothing you can do about it.

Learn to live with it.

 

[Liverpool]

I have no doubt the Libs are gone.
and there is nothing you can do about it.
Learn to live with it.

I've said for months now that Rudd will (unfortunately) be our next PM....so you aren't telling me anything I don't know.

And I won't learn to live with it....I'll be on here every day saying 'You voted for him, I didn't' on the "Rudd's Ineptness Thread"....
I reckon it could give that Christianity thread a run for it's money.... :hihi

 

[evo]

Yeah,the Libs are gone,no doubt.

Swan is a dud though-the Lance Witnall of treasury.Big worry I reckons.

 

[Disco08]

Most of the Labor Party is a worry IMO. I don't like the Libs either but I think I'd prefer them of KRudd and co.

I think there's some chance the Liberals can still win.

 

[t-rob]

I've said for months now that Rudd will (unfortunately) be our next PM....so you aren't telling me anything I don't know.

And I won't learn to live with it....I'll be on here every day saying 'You voted for him, I didn't' on the "Rudd's Ineptness Thread"....
I reckon it could give that Christianity thread a run for it's money.... :hihi

It will be just like when Jeff Bracks took over fron Steve Kennett.

Rudd even looks like Howard.

The one difference that I like is that Kevin won't be as far up the Bush's behind as what Johnnie is.

 

[Azza]

It will be just like when Jeff Bracks took over fron Steve Kennett.

Rudd even looks like Howard.

The one difference that I like is that Kevin won't be as far up the Bush's behind as what Johnnie is.

Yeah. All the more reason to give neither side control of the senate.

 

[Tiger74]

Yeah. All the more reason to give neither side control of the senate.

Why, given the butcher job the Dem's did on the GST? The way the Tassie Senator sold out Telstra in return for more Tassie jobs (which are now gone anyway)?

 

[evo]

Interesting article.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22715143-7583,00.html

 

[Azza]

Why, given the butcher job the Dem's did on the GST? The way the Tassie Senator sold out Telstra in return for more Tassie jobs (which are now gone anyway)?

The government got control of the senate through those deals. The result I was objecting to, even if the method (deal making) was different (through an election).

 

[Tiger74]

The government got control of the senate through those deals. The result I was objecting to, even if the method (deal making) was different (through an election).

Thats my point. Independants and minor parties have a great history of selling their vote to the Govt of the day for pet interest legislative changes, often which stuff things up or make them even worse.

 

[Azza]

Thats my point. Independants and minor parties have a great history of selling their vote to the Govt of the day for pet interest legislative changes, often which stuff things up or make them even worse.

Dunno about that. Family First got screwed doing a deal with Howard. He took their vote then regeged on his side of the deal. I reckon it's usually pretty one-sided when minor parties do deals. Basically the Govt gets what it wants.

Anyway, I'd rather see a Government of any colour have to negotiate it's way through legislation than get a free ride.

 

[Tiger74]

Dunno about that. Family First got screwed doing a deal with Howard. He took their vote then regeged on his side of the deal. I reckon it's usually pretty one-sided when minor parties do deals. Basically the Govt gets what it wants.

Anyway, I'd rather see a Government of any colour have to negotiate it's way through legislation than get a free ride.

I agree in principle, but disagree in practice. You look at the compromised GST the Libs were forced to accept because of the Dems "improvements" as the best example. Because of their want for healthy foods and staples to be GST free, the process is one of the most convoluted around.