Talking Politics

[Liverpool]

I'm sure it's an oversight rather than political bias when you love to keep us informed with endless quotes and links Livers but you haven't mentioned Tony Abbott's day of hell. ;D

Don't see what all the fuss was about, to be honest.
I was interstate for a few days with work...so missed all the insightful comments on here.

1-Bringing soldiers home instead of leaving them as target practice for the Taliban.

Wrong.
Federal Labor leader Kevin Rudd says the Opposition supports sending more Australian troops to Afghanistan.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/02/22/1854265.htm

2-Building a bridge attitude towards Indigenous Aussies.

Rudd agreed with the Government's initiative to go into the Northern Territory to try and stop the crime that was prevalent in these communities.
And if you mean the word 'sorry'...well, he may say 'sorry', but you have stated on the Aboriginal thread before that you don't want Howard to say sorry, so why would you want Rudd to?

The aboriginals have a tragic history ts and I feel for them deeply but I don't think Little Johnny Bonsai should say sorry on demand. I don't see how it would make any difference, he's no more responsible for their early treatment than I am.
Bridges need to be built on both sides and working together towards genuine and practical solutions would be far more beneficial than giving a false apology because it was demanded.

3-Change IR laws

Under the ALP's Forward with Fairness workplace reforms, with the exception of re-establishing the unfair dismissal provisions and getting rid of AWAs, much of WorkChoices remains.
So...change? what change?

4-Water- A massive concern yet bugger all has been done to address the problem.
5-Environment

Considering Rudd has offered bi-partisan support for Gunn's pulp mill, Murray-Darling basin takeover, post-Kyoto emissions deal, Tasmanian forestry agreement, uranium mining, a national water summit, and phasing out incandescent ligh-bulbs......I wouldn't have thought there was too much difference?

 

[Rosy]

And if you mean the word 'sorry'...

I didn't so you wasted your time quoting an old post of mine. :hihi

Just keeping you on your toes.  I find it really amusing how seriously you're pushing the Libs case and bagging Labor.  It's hard for me to respect the views of people who see things as black and white with no grey inbetween and you almost seem like a plant here with your political bias.

I'm probably one of the least political minded people around and won't lose sleep no matter who wins.  I must thank Remote for his informative posts that show no obvious agenda.  I've learned a lot...even if it is in one ear and out the other with me. :-[

 

[Liverpool]

I didn't so you wasted your time quoting an old post of mine. :hihi
Just keeping you on your toes.

Good....just wanted to nip it in the bud straight away.

I find it really amusing how seriously you're pushing the Libs case and bagging Labor. It's hard for me to respect the views of people who see things as black and white with no grey inbetween and you almost seem like a plant here with your political bias.

Rosy,
As I have stated...I made up my mind I was voting for the Libs very early....and from what I am continuing to see and read from what is coming out of the ALP, then nothing has, or will, change my mind.
The Echo's "22 Me Toos" another example of the ALP's incompetence.
So of course I am biased...because I have stated who I am voting for and where my allegiance will lie in this election.
Why would I come on here and say I am voting Libs because I think they are better for this country and then proceed to post a load of stuff supporting the ALP?
I may be biased....but least I have been honest.
I'm not making out I don't know who I will vote for and then proceed to post only "pro" stuff for one party and "anti" stuff for the other party.
That's what makes me laugh on this thread.

 

[Rosy]

I'm not making out I don't know who I will vote for and then proceed to post only "pro" stuff for one party and "anti" stuff for the other party.
That's what makes me laugh on this thread. 

I'm certainly not "making out"  I don't know who I'll vote for, or if I'll even vote at all. That's fact.  I know I won't be voting for John Howard though.

If there was a state election tomorrow I don't know who I'd vote for either but I know it wouldn't be Steve Brumby.

Both have me really worried in regard to our water situation no matter which political party they represent.

 

[Liverpool]

I'm certainly not "making out" I don't know who I'll vote for, or if I'll even vote at all. That's fact. I know I won't be voting for John Howard though.

Then how come all I read is pro-Rudd stuff from you?

 

[Rosy]

Then how come all I read is pro-Rudd stuff from you?

I think you imagine it but would welcome you quoting all my pro-Rudd comments so I can see what you're referring to.

 

[Liverpool]

I think you imagine it but would welcome you quoting all my pro-Rudd comments so I can see what you're referring to.

Well, this for a start:

Also you haven't mentioned areas where Rudd differs to Howard's policy. Here are a few but I'm sure you could add several more.
1-Bringing soldiers home instead of leaving them as target practice for the Taliban.
2-Building a bridge attitude towards Indigenous Aussies.
3-Change IR laws
4-Water- A massive concern yet bugger all has been done to address the problem.
5-Environment

Trying to stick up for the ALP when nearly all these 'differences' you mention were easily debunked.
I certainly don't know where you got the idea that Rudd is bringing all the soldiers home when he has supported the Government in sending MORE troops to Afghanistan.
And you say you are not a Rudd/ALP supporter.... :scold

 

[Rosy]

Well, this for a start:

That was just a stir at your Liberal stance and I think it was clear it was about balance when it was in reply to your one-sidedness.  Thats' why I mentioned Abbott's day from hell too.  If it was a Labor person I'm sure you'd be all over it like a rash.

I'll repeat my request for you to show all these pro-Rudd posts from me.  You love bringing up seemingly endless quotes so go to it.

 

[Six Pack]

bugger, I was hoping Livers had been banned!

 

[Liverpool]

I'll repeat my request for you to show all these pro-Rudd posts from me. You love bringing up seemingly endless quotes so go to it.

Another one for you:

I know you didn't mention me but I think the appendage comment was a disgrace and am very disappointed that the person I'll probably vote for could utter such condescending words.
I probably couldn't run the business Therese does either but I chose to be a stay at home Mum rather than go out to work. Bringing up my kids and being there for them was way more important than money or personal success to me. I feel I contributed to our relationship in a very positive way and wouldn't change things if I had my time over.
Wow that sounds so patronising.

At this stage, you sound like a disappointed pro-Rudd fan.......who now has recovered.

Do you want more?

I don't know what you mean. I probably tend to lean towards Labor but I don't follow one particular party. I'll vote for whoever I think is right for the job at each election.
Are you inferring Rudd should resign too? If so I so crap to that. Campbell getting the boot was just damage control by the Libs because THEY started the muckraking without looking in their own backyard first.
Campbell hasn't gone so much for the actual meeting but for the damage it would cause the party if he stayed. They couldn't be seen to have such double standards.
I find their situation hilarious. Backfired bigtime on them. ;D

and:

I like the way Rudd has handled it. Straight down the line honest, as opposed to the usual beating around the bush (whoops Johnny Bonsai thread), lies, excuses and coverups which tends to be the norm than the exception.
Edit: I just read that again and it sounds very naive. I wouldn't have a clue if Rudd was being honest or not but I like the way he comes across.

How many do you want? ;D

 

[Liverpool]

bugger, I was hoping Livers had been banned!

Why would you want me banned?
Can't you handle a different opinion SixPack that doesn't involve grovelling to minority groups and waving my red flag? :hihi

 

[Six Pack]

Why would you want me banned?
Can't you handle a different opinion SixPack that doesn't involve grovelling to minority groups and waving my red flag? :hihi

Ah, Livers, as usual, you couldn't spot the nuances in my post! it wouldn't be the same without ya brother!

 

[Liverpool]

Ah, Livers, as usual, you couldn't spot the nuances in my post! it wouldn't be the same without ya brother!

What nuance was that.......sounds like a 'backtrack' now, that's the only nuance I can see.

 

[Six Pack]

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[Rosy]

How many do you want? ;D

None if that's all you can come up with, they hardly justify your original claim.

Quote from: rosy23 on May 27, 2007, 02:07:17 pm
I know you didn't mention me but I think the appendage comment was a disgrace and am very disappointed that the person I'll probably vote for could utter such condescending words.

Pathetic effort Livers. I said I'd probably vote for Rudd then but that was back in May. I've made it clear a few times since that I don't know who I'll vote for or if I'll even vote at all. Your quote is doubly thin on the ground seeing you're trying to find pro-Rudd comments and my post was clearly against what he'd said.

Quote from: rosy23 on March 03, 2007, 11:47:41 pm
I don't know what you mean. I probably tend to lean towards Labor but I don't follow one particular party. I'll vote for whoever I think is right for the job at each election.
Are you inferring Rudd should resign too? If so I so crap to that. Campbell getting the boot was just damage control by the Libs because THEY started the muckraking without looking in their own backyard first.
Campbell hasn't gone so much for the actual meeting but for the damage it would cause the party if he stayed. They couldn't be seen to have such double standards.
I find their situation hilarious. Backfired bigtime on them.

Your point? I clearly said in that quote that I don't follow one particular party so that quote is hardly evidence of me being "pro-Rudd". As for the rest I don't know the context now but I was obviously referring to a particular situation and most likely a reaponse to other comments about it. Neither anti nor pro any party.

Quote from: rosy23 on March 02, 2007, 03:37:07 pm
I like the way Rudd has handled it. Straight down the line honest, as opposed to the usual beating around the bush (whoops Johnny Bonsai thread), lies, excuses and coverups which tends to be the norm than the exception.
Edit: I just read that again and it sounds very naive. I wouldn't have a clue if Rudd was being honest or not but I like the way he comes across.

Maybe you could call that pro-Rudd at a stretch but I was commenting on a perception of how he comes across. It's harly pro-ALP though because I've bagged Beas knees for being the opposite. Yet again that was posted in March so is pretty obsolete. I'm not like you in making my mind up ages in advance and thus am likely to change my mind based on how I see things at the time.


I've said I reckon they're all pretty much all tarred with the same brush so even if I did vote Labor I wouldn't call myself pro-Rudd ...I'd just call myself more anti-Johnny and that's because he's had long enough to do all the things he's suddenly promising now and because of the things he has done that impact on our life in a negative way.

 

[Six Pack]

Rudd annoys the hell outa me. he reminds me of Blair. Selling out their traditional power base to appease big business and industry. Politics of the centre, weak as!

 

[Liverpool]

None if that's all you can come up with, they hardly justify your original claim.
Pathetic effort Livers. I said I'd probably vote for Rudd then but that was back in May. I've made it clear a few times since that I don't know who I'll vote for or if I'll even vote at all. Your quote is doubly thin on the ground seeing you're trying to find pro-Rudd comments and my post was clearly against what he'd said.

Oh, I know you were disappointed (hence your 'against Rudd' line) about what Rudd said back in May considering you were probably going to vote for him...but going by your continued anti-Howard postings, I think you have recovered from this disappointment.

Your point? I clearly said in that quote that I don't follow one particular party so that quote is hardly evidence of me being "pro-Rudd". As for the rest I don't know the context now but I was obviously referring to a particular situation and most likely a reaponse to other comments about it. Neither anti nor pro any party.

You said you lean towards Labor...and your anti-Howard/anti-Government posts clearly show that you lean waaaay to the ALP.....

I'm not like you in making my mind up ages in advance and thus am likely to change my mind based on how I see things at the time.

Rosy,
This is the hypocrisy that makes me laugh.
You say the above line....yet as your previous posts as well as current posts suggest, you have been anti-Government for a long period now.
It seems it's o.k for you to make your mind up in advance about this yet you have a crack at me about my 'political bias' and that you find it hard to respect people who make up their mind well ahead of the election.
Hmmmmm....pot....kettle...

 

[Six Pack]

Polling today showed that Howard would lose Bennelong if an election was held this weekend. Whilst we are still too far out to accurately forecast the result, that would be oh so sweet!

 

[Rosy]

you have been anti-Government for a long period now.

Hmmmmm....pot....kettle...

Time you gave up thinking you know me better that I know myself.  I'll say this clearly because you don't seem to be listening. 

Anti-Howard doesn't necessarily equate to pro-Rudd and in my case it definitely doesn't. Stop being so narrow minded to continue inferring if you don't support one then you have to support the other.

If I was pro-Rudd and intended to vote for him I'd say so.  :

.....to save you looking back for more quotes the long period you mention started when Howard brought in the GST 

 

[Tiger74]

Half way there in one of the most dull and boring elections I have every been subjected too.

I supposed thats the consequence of a 6 month long campaign, but God I'm over it