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From smartcompany -

Workchoices backfires for PM

Prime Minister John Howard’s strategy to coerce industry groups into publicly backing WorkChoices is backfiring. Industry groups, business academics and accountant groups say the Coalition needs to do far more to reduce red tape and paperwork. They also claim that WorkChoices is flawed, with many employers struggling with the regime.

But many are also afraid to speak out publicly. SmartCompany has learnt of one industry group that wants to go public with its dissatisfaction with WorkChoices but that has been warned off by another prominent industry group that has been very vocal in its support of WorkChoices.

Some industry groups are caught in a quandary. They have received a lot of money from Federal Government coffers to educate employers and employees about the benefits of WorkChoices. Some still feel obliged to push its benefits to members.

Others are too annoyed to stay silent. James McCall, executive director of the Motor Traders Association in NSW, says his members are very confused by WorkChoices. “There is a whole host of problems. It is very difficult to get definitions and clarification on the rules and our members are very confused. And it’s nearly all at the federal level,” McCall says. “Small business has numbed itself because of the massive increase in paperwork imposed in the last nine years, and almost all of it is at the federal level.”

He also claims that the benefits of the unfair dismissal exemption for companies with fewer than 100 employees has been overstated. “We see employees still suing in the district court for other things like breaches of contract.”

A number of industry groups confirmed to SmartCompany off the record that they will not be using advertising and marketing to publicly support WorkChoices.

They say that while businesses support the substance of WorkChoices, the Government should be working hard on ways to improve implementation and transition difficulties, and address the myriad of other concerns about regulation and red tape increases.

“Any enthusiasm for WorkChoices might be there in substance but has been muted by implementation difficulties,” says workplace relations lawyer Peter Vitale who works at VECCI. “The added complexity of the system has bemused a lot of people.”

It is not just WorkChoices. The former ACT small business commissioner, Michael Schaper, says that Howard in 1996 promised to cut paperwork and red tape by 50%. “The execution from the Coalition falls far short of the rhetoric. While the small business minister has made a good attempt to rein things in, there are a multiple of things that could be fixed quite easily and are not being addressed.”

He was highly critical of the lack of research into paperwork, regulation and WorkChoices. While a lot of money has gone into selling the benefits of Workchoices, almost none has gone into researching whether the benefits are tangible, Schaper says.

Brian Welch, executive director of the Masters Builders Association, says that while WorkChoices has increased productivity and provided other benefits for employers, the downside has been compliance and paperwork. “Things definitely need to be improved.”

– Amanda Gome
 
Anduril said:
Pray? Pray for rain? Is that the best you can do after 10 years? :rotfl
What a joke.
Now let's be fair here Andi. He did say 'hope and pray'. He had a back up plan in case the prayers didn't work. ;D
 
Anduril said:
Pray? Pray for rain? Is that the best you can do after 10 years? :rotfl
What a joke.

What's Bracks done in his 7 odd years as Premier of Victoria??? He's a joke too. How many dams etc. has he built? He wants to increase our population here, but he's not doing much to expand resources. We need more money into education, more hospitals, and a better public transport system, but all this fool does is build a swimming pool that wasn't necessary, and waste the money on stupid things. I suppose you want to blame Howard for these failings too?
 
Chelsea said:
Anduril said:
Pray? Pray for rain? Is that the best you can do after 10 years? :rotfl
What a joke.

What's Bracks done in his 7 odd years as Premier of Victoria??? He's a joke too. How many dams etc. has he built? He wants to increase our population here, but he's not doing much to expand resources. We need more money into education, more hospitals, and a better public transport system, but all this fool does is build a swimming pool that wasn't necessary, and waste the money on stupid things. I suppose you want to blame Howard for these failings too?

Wow, talk about a rubber stamp...
 
Chelsea said:
Anduril said:
Pray? Pray for rain? Is that the best you can do after 10 years? :rotfl
What a joke.

What's Bracks done in his 7 odd years as Premier of Victoria??? He's a joke too. How many dams etc. has he built? He wants to increase our population here, but he's not doing much to expand resources. We need more money into education, more hospitals, and a better public transport system, but all this fool does is build a swimming pool that wasn't necessary, and waste the money on stupid things. I suppose you want to blame Howard for these failings too?

What's he done?
Allowed the Greens to dominate policy, eg Water and wind thingies
Got every major project's budget to blow out and finish late
Introduced more speed cameras on roads that rarely have accidents while ignoring more dangerous roads and level crossings
Anti-villification leglislation that only applies to christians
Sucked hundreds of millions more out of pokies
Allowed his state schools to continue to rust and fall apart
Given 11 former labour MLC's jobs for the boys
Blamed Howard for everything including issues that are State responsibilities

Your move Chelsea!
 
poppa x said:
Chelsea said:
Anduril said:
Pray? Pray for rain? Is that the best you can do after 10 years? :rotfl
What a joke.

What's Bracks done in his 7 odd years as Premier of Victoria??? He's a joke too. How many dams etc. has he built? He wants to increase our population here, but he's not doing much to expand resources. We need more money into education, more hospitals, and a better public transport system, but all this fool does is build a swimming pool that wasn't necessary, and waste the money on stupid things. I suppose you want to blame Howard for these failings too?

What's he done?
Allowed the Greens to dominate policy, eg Water and wind thingies
Got every major project's budget to blow out and finish late
Introduced more speed cameras on roads that rarely have accidents while ignoring more dangerous roads and level crossings
Anti-villification leglislation that only applies to christians
Sucked hundreds of millions more out of pokies
Allowed his state schools to continue to rust and fall apart
Given 11 former labour MLC's jobs for the boys
Blamed Howard for everything including issues that are State responsibilities

Your move Chelsea!

I think Chelsea is on the same side of this arguement as you Pops.
 
Doesn't change the stupidity of our Prime Minister requesting us to take our concerns over the drought to a mythical supernatural being.
 
Somehow - someday - hopefully in my lifetime - we will have a national Australian constitution that will cover all public services and stop one tier of Government blaming another tier of Government when situations go awry.

Why we need 3 tiers of government for just 22 million people is beyond me.

There are two avenues to take -

1) A Federal Government that looks after Defence, National Security, Water and Environment as they are national issues and State Governments to look after Law and Order, Education, Health, Taxation (for their state only), Customs and Excise, Agriculture, Industry, Science, The Arts, City Planning, Collecting Industry and Household refuse etc. etc which are arguably local issues and no Local Governments

OR

2) A Federal Government that looks after everything and local Governments to look after city planning and collecting the garbage.

Then and only then would we see that the "buck stops" with the Minister and Department Head (which would be much better than now with State Health Ministers pointing the finger at Federal Health Ministers and Education Ministers, Environment Ministers of both governments doing the same.

Lastly I would dearly love to see the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) be returned to being the responsibility of the Head of State currently the Governor General (Rather than reporting to the Prime Minister as it does now - this was changed by this Liberal Government so as to hide public service facts that were not voter or media friendly)

The new ANAO to have a a complete new division dedicated to reporting to the people of Australia via the Head Of State all the broken election promises made by members of parliament. Broken promises made by both a Political Party and broken promise made by individual parliamentarians.

Why? Because I am tired of being mislead by both State and Federal political candidates for the seat where I reside making all sorts of promises during an election campaign who have nil or next to no intention of implementing them should they be elected. We have been promised schools, freeways better junctions onto highways for the last 4 Federal elections and 3 State elections and we still have not received them.

Our current government systems (Federal and State) through party politics allows these lazy oxygen thieves to hide away for a couple of years - pop their heads out come election time - make outlandish promises to obtain the peoples vote then run away and hide again to do zilch.

Surely as a good people - Australians deserve better...........RT
 
The problem now is state governments have a relatively narrow channel to raise revenue. While the removal of state levies with the introduction of the GST was a major simplification, it has left States beholden to the federal government distribution of GST for a large component of their revenue. Maquarie Bank have recently shown from ABS data that while the federal government is now collecting a record 24.9% of GDP in revenue, funding of states is at a three-decade low.

If we want states to function as intended then this revenue-sharing shortfall needs to be addressed by increasing revenue flow to pre-GST levels. If not then we will continue to see the states going cap-in-hand or handballing to the federal government.
 
Somehow - someday - hopefully in my lifetime - we will have a national Australian constitution that will cover all public services and stop one tier of Government blaming another tier of Government when situations go awry.

Why we need 3 tiers of government for just 22 million people is beyond me

None of the 3 levels will introduce radical change because (1) it wipes out one of the 3 levels and no polliy wants to be eliminated, and (2) what you are asking for is an effective system of accountability, which no politician wants.

So we're stuck with a crap system that will always give pollies an excuse to blame the other fella and escape proper scrutiny. Even returning the ANAO to the Head of State is unlikely to happen because at present it gives the PM of the day control over the flak.

At best, we could demand removal of duplicated services such as Education, Transport, Environment, etc. It makes no sense to have 6 different educational curriculum and a 7th (Federal) asking to take over. Likewise, there is bugger all a State Environment Minister can achieve that a Federal one can't do better. The notion that the quality of one States environment is governed by its border is absurd. Why does Victoria need different environmental laws to NSW?
 
Agree poppa.States are redundant.

it's just more beauracracy.(see any episode of Yes Minister for details)
 
Labor are being pretty inept at the moment by letting the Government get so much oxygen from the whole costing greenhouse targets hoopla. Everyone except the Australian coalition government, that is, scientists, economists, a lot of the public, other countries governments (including Arnies Californian Government which is much bigger than most countries), point squarely at a) the huge cost of doing nothing which has been documented, and b) the economic windfall that innovative new clean industries will generate which has also been documented. This is what the good aspects of capitalism are all about.

But not for our PM and treasurer, forget the big picture, forget the future, forget innovation, forget potential global warming effects on health, infrastructure etc, what do we have to worry about the most? The impact on a single industry, the coal industry. Un-bee-leev-ab-bull.

According to John Howard innovation is digging stuff up, sticking it on a truck, then a train, then a ship, and burning it in a furnace. Genius.

Remember that old 60s song 'I'm her yesterday man....'?
 
tigersnake said:
Labor are being pretty inept at the moment by letting the Government get so much oxygen from the whole costing greenhouse targets hoopla. Everyone except the Australian coalition government, that is, scientists, economists, a lot of the public, other countries governments (including Arnies Californian Government which is much bigger than most countries), point squarely at a) the huge cost of doing nothing which has been documented, and b) the economic windfall that innovative new clean industries will generate which has also been documented. This is what the good aspects of capitalism are all about.

But not for our PM and treasurer, forget the big picture, forget the future, forget innovation, forget potential global warming effects on health, infrastructure etc, what do we have to worry about the most? The impact on a single industry, the coal industry. Un-bee-leev-ab-bull.

According to John Howard innovation is digging stuff up, sticking it on a truck, then a train, then a ship, and burning it in a furnace. Genius.

Remember that old 60s song 'I'm her yesterday man....'?

Tigersnake,
While on the topic of "digging up stuff"....hows the ALP backflip on uranium mining?
25 years of opposing it, and now:

Labor overturns uranium policy
April 28, 2007 12:00am

Labor leader Kevin Rudd has won his battle to dump his party's no new uranium mines policy at the ALP national conference today.
After 90 minutes of passionate debate, the conference voted 205 to 190 to defeat an amendment by Labor frontbenchers Anthony Albanese and Peter Garrett to keep the ban.
Mr Rudd's amendment, seconded by South Australian Premier Mike Rann, to scrap the ban, was then passed on the voices without a formal vote being recorded.
Federal frontbencher Stephen Conroy was the only member of Labor's leadership team to vote with Mr Albanese and Mr Garrett.
Two protesters were kicked out after they pulled out a flag and began shouting slogans at Mr Rudd as he left the conference floor following the vote.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21637061-661,00.html

I wonder how long it will be before Premier Steve "anti-uranium, anti-nuclear" Bracks also does a better backflip than a Russian gymnast?
 
If the Libs lose the election and Howard retains his seat is it fair to assume he would resign from politics? If this happens is a by-election required to replace him?A by-election one would assume would see beaten labor candidate Maxine McKew up against atm unknown Lib.Is this the rational for labor putting up McKew against Howard as if the current polling is correct Labor wins Howard leaves making McKew almost the defacto member for Benelong.Am I the right track here or is there another process that is followed to appoint someone who resigns from their electorate?
 
Kaelan said:
If the Libs lose the election and Howard retains his seat is it fair to assume he would resign from politics? If this happens is a by-election required to replace him?A by-election one would assume would see beaten labor candidate Maxine McKew up against atm unknown Lib.Is this the rational for labor putting up McKew against Howard as if the current polling is correct Labor wins Howard leaves making McKew almost the defacto member for Benelong.Am I the right track here or is there another process that is followed to appoint someone who resigns from their electorate?

Refer to Keating versus Hawke, bro.
 
In the Senate, parties can replace members, but the House of Reps, there has to be a by-election. Personally, I believe that if you are elected, you should have to serve out your term, barring ill-health or other exceptional circumstances. If a politician has a sook about not being in government after an election, such as Keating etc, then they should be forced to pay for the by-election out of the generous super payout they receive.