Talking Politics

[poppa x]

So you agree with my point that labor introduced the fascist white aust policy.

But you then go on to blame John Howards father for all the sins of the liberals.

Oh Boy. I sense a PRE tool of the week award contender.

 

[tigersnake]

So you agree with my point that labor introduced the fascist white aust policy.

But you then go on to blame John Howards father for all the sins of the liberals.

Oh Boy.  I sense a PRE tool of the week award contender.

where in that post do I blame JH for all the sins as you put it?  I'm starting to wonder if you can sense much at all x man.

 

[poppa x]

Yep - we definitely have a contender

 

[an_oxford_man]

I reckon that's the 50th time i've referred to the Liberal Party as a bunch of fascists and this is the first time anyone has bitten. Good on ya, Poppa.

 

[Anduril]

The Liberal Party continue to stand behind their candidate for Lyndhurst, Andrew Landerton. How on earth did this man ever gain preselection, let alone continue to be endorsed?
Not good enough Ted. : : :

 

[poppa x]

The Liberal Party continue to stand behind their  candidate for Lyndhurst, Andrew Landerton. How on earth did this man ever gain preselection, let alone continue to be endorsed?
Not good enough Ted. : : :

John Howard's father is to blame. And maybe his sister-in-law too.

 

[an_oxford_man]

The Liberal Party continue to stand behind their candidate for Lyndhurst, Andrew Landerton. How on earth did this man ever gain preselection, let alone continue to be endorsed?
Not good enough Ted. : : :

I feel sorry for the bloke. He has probably been voicing his racist opinions in confidence with other liberal friends who have agreed with him, so Landerton goes off and makes his redneck opinions public and everyone jumps off his bandwagon. And he's like "you guys were all agreeing with me the other day, what happened?" and those liberals who agreed with him in the first place are like "we all think it, Andrew... but we don't say it."

 

[Anduril]

The Liberal Party continue to stand behind their  candidate for Lyndhurst, Andrew Landerton. How on earth did this man ever gain preselection, let alone continue to be endorsed?
Not good enough Ted. : : :

John Howard's father is to blame.  And maybe his sister-in-law too.

???

 

[Rayzorwire]

Oh dear. Where do I begin? Firstly I think this establishes beyond any doubt that "party people" are truly blind.

:rofl

"Party people" eh poppa?

There's a change from ranting about 'lefties.'

Ever considered the fact that these "party people" you label as such, weigh up the merits of each side of politics and then make an informed decision to side with the Labor party...taking what they see as the good with the bad - as you do when choosing to support the right wing (everywhere but at the ballot box)?

Meanwhile, your support for nuclear power and desalination plants has been casually challenged, but rather than back up or defend your views, or (God forbid) learn why your support for these policies is misguided and based on selective, disingenuous pop trash science, you'd rather go back to your comfort zone of calling others 'blind' and inventing strawman arguments...no wonder you dig Liverpool.

"[P]uss infected?"

Hoping you mean "pus"...

 

[Liverpool]

I'm baaaaaaaack....by popular demand!!!!!!!!!! ;D
You've all been missing me I see...nice to see Rayzorwire in his last post remembering Liverpool....thanks mate! :hihi
But no need for memories now fellas....the Liverpool is back in town! 8)

PoppaX,
Good to see you've been flying the flag for free speech in my absence....it seems from the quick flick through the posts that you've been copping a bit...but its the price one pays for speaking ones mind and sharing ones opinion.

In theory, I think it's a good idea. However I have reservations. It's ok for the government to say they won't be sent to war zones, but governments change and also governments change their mind.
SNIP
My boss, who is a pacifist, suggested something like the peace corp. Both ideas have merit. They both would be able to provide suitable training in some respect and give the young kids some guidance, as you suggest Chelsea.

Legends/Chelsea,
I think some sort of service, whether it be military or peace corps, should be mandatory for anyone who has been out of work for 1+ years.
There are too many people out there who are 'career dole-bludgers', where any job suggested to them to look into, is looked down upon by them as "not good enough".
'Gee, I'm not washing dishes at a restaurant!', etc.
Maybe the thought of getting up at dawn, wriggling through mud and crap, under barb wire, while bullets whistle over their heads might make them get out of bed sometime before midday, and go and get a job, and stop bludging on the tax-paying public!

GJs politics arent' puss infested, I like his politics.
fair enough his post was a bit off the cuff, no big deal, but lets look at what he actually said.
First: the liberal party and facist foundations: Howard's father was a paid-up member of the New Guard, a crazy fringe fascist organisation that became famous when De Groot slashed the ribbon on the Harbour Bridge at the opening.
Also, Alexander Downers leadership of the liberal party ended in part beacause he addressed the League of Rights, a fascist organisation. The liberals have had trouble shaking ties with the LoRs over the years.
Therefore saying the Liberal party has fascist roots is not entirely without basis.
Re White Australia, correct pop, Labor brought it in, with bipartisan support.
The next part about 'people wanting more for themselves and not giving a flying you-know-what about those who aren't as well off'. I'd back that up any day of the week.

Tigersnake,
C'mon mate....Gypsy got it wrong on this one (and many others)...but just admit it on this one, eh?
And Labour supporters accuse Howard and the Libs of spin-doctoring....yet this post has more spin than Warnie bowling Gatting with his 'ball of the bloody century' back in 1993! :hihi


Interesting the take by the two media outlets today on the election:

The Age with their headline: "Liberals face crushing loss at poll"

http://www.theage.com.au/news/victoria-votes/libs-face-crushing-loss-at-poll/2006/10/23/1161455664070.html

...while the Herald-Sun goes with "Poll reveals Labor backlash"

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20633526-661,00.html

Don't think Ted Bailleau has been around long enough as leader to take office this time.....but I like some of his ideas! :clap

 

[Curtiger]

The Age article stemed from a poll exclusive to The Age. I suppose the results are in tune wuth their reader base, but not necessarily the entire Australian public.

Interesting to hear that you called them the two media outlets Liverpool.

Looks like I'm going to miss out on voting in this upcoming state election by a few months. I hope that this push for free public transport for students by the Liberals puts pressure on other parties for similar policies, though. A great idea IMO.

 

[eight ace]

Ever been in the military yourself, Liverpool - you champion of free speech, you?

 

[poppa x]

Welcome back livers.  Ii's been mighty lonely defending the righteous path of enlightenment over the past week.  Your return means I can declare my first innings closed.  Return to the bar and tell all my mates how well I played.  "Ya shoulda seen the six I smashed off Razor boys.  It was huge".

I 'll be back for my second dig in a day or two.

And Rayzor?  You are so wrong about nuclear power.  It's not perfect (nothing is)  but it's sh*tloads cleaner and safer than coal.

 

[Liverpool]

Looks like I'm going to miss out on voting in this upcoming state election by a few months. I hope that this push for free public transport for students by the Liberals puts pressure on other parties for similar policies, though. A great idea IMO.

Curtis,
I think its quite a good idea as well....and I'd go another step further and really ask whether free public transport for all people is viable:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/03/11/1141701735260.html

Of course, the Government would miss out on the fares/tickets that the public pay for, but then they would get a lot back on the elimination of ticket-machines at all stations and on trams, employing people to check for fare-evaders, and in some cases, paying to go through legal channels for people who fight their cases in court.

Ever been in the military yourself, Liverpool - you champion of free speech, you?

Eightace,
No, never had to.
Stayed in school, got educated, got a job.
However, I've always enjoyed air-shows and one of my favourite movies is 'Top Gun' 8), so if there was ever a need for a 32-year old Tigers supporter to join up to fight some "un-Australians" :hihi, I'd sign-up for the RAAF in a heartbeat!

And you?

I don't think it's too radical for people who are out of work for over a year to be expected to do something with their lives....whether its in the military or the peace-corps (as Chelsea/Legends mentioned earlier)
For all we know, some of them might actually enjoy it and make it a career, or they might learn sufficient skills so when they get back into the 'real world', they have more confidence and the expertise necessary to gain suitable employment.
I think its a win-win situation.
The only people who will complain are the ones who don't want to to anything and bludge off the system for eternity, and in this case, their Centrelink payments should cease immediately as soon as their 12-months unemployment time has run out.

Welcome back livers. Ii's been mighty lonely defending the righteous path of enlightenment over the past week. Your return means I can declare my first innings closed. Return to the bar and tell all my mates how well I played. "Ya shoulda seen the six I smashed off Razor boys. It was huge".
I 'll be back for my second dig in a day or two.
And Rayzor? You are so wrong about nuclear power. It's not perfect (nothing is) but it's sh*tloads cleaner and safer than coal.

:hihi...you did well coming off the interchange-bench there Poppa! :clap
See you again soon!

 

[Anduril]

So we still have Andrew Landerton as a candidate? Well done Ted. No wonder your nickname is Cottees :clap

 

[poppa x]

So we still have Andrew Landerton as a candidate? Well done Ted. No wonder your nickname is Cottees :clap

Nope.  He's not standing.

Prefers to remain anonymous and let his alter ego GARY Anderton, Demon supporter, stand.

Love and Kisses to you Anduril and keep up the good work.

 

[Anduril]

So sweetie is the lovely Gary still a candidate then?
Do the libs have the guts to pull the plug on on Mr Gary Landerton? I think not.

 

[poppa x]

Don't know if he's standing or not. And it doesn't matter because our very own Chancy Gardiner will win his 3rd straight victory and we can all rejoice in the fact that he's solved the drought, removed pollution from brown coal and put our kids on health diets. And all this before he's had his 30 second shower in the morning. Gotta love Chancy. He's a genius.

 

[eight ace]

You're suggesting people who join the military are neither educated nor have a job? Yes, I was in the ARA for 6 years. It doesn't surprise me you would choose the RAAF. I suspect you would make a good paper shuffler.

 

[poppa x]

You're suggesting people who join the military are neither educated nor have a job? Yes, I was in the ARA for 6 years. It doesn't surprise me you would choose the RAAF. I suspect you would make a good paper shuffler.

The pen is mightier than the sword. Well known fact. Most military battles are eventually solved through reasoned discussion, and a signed settlement agreement on paper which is ultimately filed by a paper shuffler.