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Lost in the media landscape somewhere this week is a newspoll that shows that since the last poll Albo's approval rating as PM has gone up 4% and Dutton's has dipped. As preferred PM the numbers are now something like 52% to low 30s. You won't see this in the Murdoch media.
Polls go up and down but what is very clear to me is that Dutton can't lead the LNP to government. He is too unpopular outside Queensland and in Victoria especially.
Preferred PM is not a voting intention of course but it must be a worry to the LNP. Who is their next choice? Sussan Ley, Angus Fraser...give me a break. They really have noone, what a talentless ragtag bunch they are now.
 
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Sintiger said:
Preferred PM is not a voting intention of course but it must be a worry to the LNP. Who is their next choice? Sussan Ley, Angus Fraser...give me a break. They really have noone, what a talentless ragtag bunch they are now.
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I reckon Paterson is trying to promote himself but he's pretty terrible as well.
 
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I reckon Paterson is trying to promote himself but he's pretty terrible as well.
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Patterson is only 36 and he is also a senator so he needs a seat to be leader. Plus he is from Victoria and there is no such thing as a blue ribbon liberal seat here anymore.
I thought he might put himself forward for Kooyong as he lives in that area but he hasn’t, probably because he knows that the teals will win it again at the next election. Monique Ryan is very popular in the local area.
Probably sees himself as a future leader but he is just a young clone of the modern day liberals
 
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At my local level, brisbane southside, I have experienced an amazing example of rhetorical political needs and priorities having no relationship to action, or policy reality. Total disconnect between what needs to happen, as stated by state and commonwealth government and anyone with a brain, V total lack of action on the ground due to *smile*-scared, small-thinking local government and some residents. We keep hearing fed and state politicians saying they are worjking with local governments to identify land for infill housing, well either they aren't doing that or its not working.

The local plan for my suburb and the 2 adjoining just came out, in Melb terms, think Preston/ reservoir. Train line, Uni, buses, Westfield etc. Huge blocks of land with small poor quality housing, fibro shacks basically. My block is 700 square M. Its not the biggest by any stretch, some are 800, 900, even 1200. They bought out a draft a couple of years ago with some higher density zoning changes. A few, not many, misguided residents put signs in their front yards "don't drown us in congestion!" To cut them a bit of slack the housing crisis wasn't as acute as it is now.

The new plan has ditched those pretty minimal changes. Bugger all changes. The plan boasts it will allow population to increase from current 20k to 25K by 2030, thats their big wowee statement to deliver on increasing housing. My suburb should be gift for politicians, as I said, big block, small crap houses that was cheap in its day, which was the 1960s. But the Bible-Bashing led Brisbane City Council, which has a bigger budget than Tassie, is scared of upsetting anyone and doesn't give a stuff. Madness.

I declare there is an element of self interest here, if my block was zoned duplex, not a big ask for 700sqm, it would go up 10 or 15%, but prices have jumped anyway, 5-10% on the new plan because people are building McMansions and don't want higher densities, so its not a huge issue for me, I'm doing fine. This is an example of an abject policy failure, failure to practically address critical problems facing our nation, being housing shortage and urban sprawl.
 
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Oh my deary... So many shades of dumb right there.

Bloody funny, and yet, worryingly concerning.

Have people with a shred of intelligence, not to even mention integrity, just given politics a resounding NO THANKS in the 2000's?
 
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At my local level, brisbane southside, I have experienced an amazing example of rhetorical political needs and priorities having no relationship to action, or policy reality. Total disconnect between what needs to happen, as stated by state and commonwealth government and anyone with a brain, V total lack of action on the ground due to *smile*-scared, small-thinking local government and some residents. We keep hearing fed and state politicians saying they are worjking with local governments to identify land for infill housing, well either they aren't doing that or its not working.

The local plan for my suburb and the 2 adjoining just came out, in Melb terms, think Preston/ reservoir. Train line, Uni, buses, Westfield etc. Huge blocks of land with small poor quality housing, fibro shacks basically. My block is 700 square M. Its not the biggest by any stretch, some are 800, 900, even 1200. They bought out a draft a couple of years ago with some higher density zoning changes. A few, not many, misguided residents put signs in their front yards "don't drown us in congestion!" To cut them a bit of slack the housing crisis wasn't as acute as it is now.

The new plan has ditched those pretty minimal changes. Bugger all changes. The plan boasts it will allow population to increase from current 20k to 25K by 2030, thats their big wowee statement to deliver on increasing housing. My suburb should be gift for politicians, as I said, big block, small crap houses that was cheap in its day, which was the 1960s. But the Bible-Bashing led Brisbane City Council, which has a bigger budget than Tassie, is scared of upsetting anyone and doesn't give a stuff. Madness.

I declare there is an element of self interest here, if my block was zoned duplex, not a big ask for 700sqm, it would go up 10 or 15%, but prices have jumped anyway, 5-10% on the new plan because people are building McMansions and don't want higher densities, so its not a huge issue for me, I'm doing fine. This is an example of an abject policy failure, failure to practically address critical problems facing our nation, being housing shortage and urban sprawl.
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The whole idea of increasing population density is fraught.

Where I live, inner SE suburb of Melbourne with train, tram, buses, major highway (Nepean Hwy) etc there is a lot of talk of needing to increase population density.

But there are a lot of problems.

The council keep putting forward plans allowing for high rise apartment blocks when most of us live in detached houses, some, like ours, going back to the late 19th century.

But the high rise blocks which have been built are:
  1. Ugly
  2. Do not cater to families as the apartments are mostly too small, too many 1 bedroom apartments.
  3. Despite notions of affordability the cheapest (think shoebox on the ground floor) are at least $700K and the larger apartments at the top of the building are around $3million.
  4. The height is a huge issue with overlooking back yards, shading gardens, utting solar panels in shade and they just don't fit the neighbourhood and detract from the reason most of us want to live here.

Add to this that the trains and trams are already packed. The buses are too infrequent and the roads more closely resemble car parks and the whole idea of higher density housing is BS.

What our local council (the useless Glen Eira Council) refuse to listen to is the reasoned arguments of many of us that we know there needs to be more housing as we are less than 10KMs from the city. But what we object to is the high rise apartment blocks. What we would have no problem with is allowing 4 storey apartments which cater for families and have some social housing included. But the developers just want cheap to build high rise and the council, especially the planning bureaucrats, are biased towards the developers at the expense of the resident.

Australian cities need to look more at Europe. There you see lower rise apartments, say 6 storeys right near the city and 4 storeys further out. Plus, you see apartment blocks which have a courtyard in the middle so you get natural light coming in from the outside and inside facing walls.

We certainly don't need the horrible mess that Box Hill has become, the soul-less waste of Docklands, the ridiculous proposal for massive high rise apartment blocks on Frankston Beach - all of these are truly awful. We need decent development allowing for people to live in apartments with space for a family and more public open space (Glen Eira has the lowest public open space per KM of any council in Melbourne, there is very little).

DS
 
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I hear you David, but where I am not increasing densities is criminal. Nothing too dramatic, I don't want high rise, 2 story smaller blocks of flats (high rise were never on the table) and duplexes wouldn't have dramatic impacts.

I agree some areas can go too fast too quick, and construction quality is a perennial problem. But broadly speaking we need higher densities. We can't just keep building sprawling subdivisions/ ghettoes with no services. And we have a critical housing crisis.
 
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I hear you David, but where I am not increasing densities is criminal. Nothing too dramatic, I don't want high rise, 2 story smaller blocks of flats (high rise were never on the table) and duplexes wouldn't have dramatic impacts.

I agree some areas can go too fast too quick, and construction quality is a perennial problem. But broadly speaking we need higher densities. We can't just keep building sprawling subdivisions/ ghettoes with no services. And we have a critical housing crisis.
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Yep, it's all about appropriate development. I live fairly close to Nepean Hwy and I reckon 4 storeys along the highway near single storey houses and taller where they interfere with no existing houses. We can't expand cities indefinitely, but we need to do this intelligently. The irony where I live is that 2 houses have been bought and demolished in our street, both replaced with a single house on the block, yes, 2 storey houses, but not apartments or units.

DS
 
tigersnake said:
At my local level, brisbane southside, I have experienced an amazing example of rhetorical political needs and priorities having no relationship to action, or policy reality. Total disconnect between what needs to happen, as stated by state and commonwealth government and anyone with a brain, V total lack of action on the ground due to *smile*-scared, small-thinking local government and some residents. We keep hearing fed and state politicians saying they are worjking with local governments to identify land for infill housing, well either they aren't doing that or its not working.

The local plan for my suburb and the 2 adjoining just came out, in Melb terms, think Preston/ reservoir. Train line, Uni, buses, Westfield etc. Huge blocks of land with small poor quality housing, fibro shacks basically. My block is 700 square M. Its not the biggest by any stretch, some are 800, 900, even 1200. They bought out a draft a couple of years ago with some higher density zoning changes. A few, not many, misguided residents put signs in their front yards "don't drown us in congestion!" To cut them a bit of slack the housing crisis wasn't as acute as it is now.

The new plan has ditched those pretty minimal changes. Bugger all changes. The plan boasts it will allow population to increase from current 20k to 25K by 2030, thats their big wowee statement to deliver on increasing housing. My suburb should be gift for politicians, as I said, big block, small crap houses that was cheap in its day, which was the 1960s. But the Bible-Bashing led Brisbane City Council, which has a bigger budget than Tassie, is scared of upsetting anyone and doesn't give a stuff. Madness.

I declare there is an element of self interest here, if my block was zoned duplex, not a big ask for 700sqm, it would go up 10 or 15%, but prices have jumped anyway, 5-10% on the new plan because people are building McMansions and don't want higher densities, so its not a huge issue for me, I'm doing fine. This is an example of an abject policy failure, failure to practically address critical problems facing our nation, being housing shortage and urban sprawl.
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Outer Nthn suburbs of Melb it's heaps of knock down old places n whack up three 2 storey town houses or get a few blocks together n stick up six, eight or ten 2 storey town houses. At least this way it lifts the density without sticking up ugly four or five storey blocks of apartments all over the burbs.
 
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Flicked through that brochure but no mention of how big they will allow developers to build. From what I have heard of the new underground stations it is going to make for some horrible high rise developments in various places around Melbourne. I understand that around a railway station can handle more dwellings, but high rise is not the answer, they are almost without fail, absolutely awful.

DS
 
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Flicked through that brochure but no mention of how big they will allow developers to build. From what I have heard of the new underground stations it is going to make for some horrible high rise developments in various places around Melbourne. I understand that around a railway station can handle more dwellings, but high rise is not the answer, they are almost without fail, absolutely awful.

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There is a PDF which has much more information and I am not sure how to attach a PDF on this site?
 
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