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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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In that first qtr took a few marks kicked a goal and I thought hamspster could well have a good night but he was non exsistent after that, a liability I'd say and got me thinking would've preferred another runner in the side.
Also saw him several times attempt a one handed mark mind blogging considering he can hardly mark with 2 hands and the biggy for me was hampson dropping some marks that he should've taken over shorter opponents....
Also saw him several times attempt a one handed mark mind blogging considering he can hardly mark with 2 hands and the biggy for me was hampson dropping some marks that he should've taken over shorter opponents....
Reminds me of the Kerry Packer quote when he sold ch9 to Alan Bond for $1b: "you only get 1 Alan Bond in your lifetime"se7en said:
That's what Carlton are saying about selling Hampy to us: "you only get 1 Richmond in your lifetime"
Disposal wise beat both Derrickx and Pyke. He laid no tackles which is a telling sign for the type of player he is. He is physically soft as butter. His body looks weak but has potential with some hard work in the gym he still looks a developing player. Between him and Vickery they both need to go thru basic training with the army or the French foreign legion.
clown said:
Happy to send Hampson off to the Foreign Legion for the remainder of his career. Maybe he might make a good Legionist and find his calling.
His first 1/2 season has been poor and the trade is done so we have to deal with it.
However, I have seen enough of him in the ruck and how he moves around the ground to feel confident that if they can get his marking improved in the off-season then the difference he would make in a game would be substantial. He is putting himself into good positions to take 3-4 contested marks a game (but completely stuffing them up) and if they start to stick then we will see a different Hampson because his tap work has the potential to be elite.
Basically, I'm writing off this season and giving him a mulligan but am not unhappy that we will enter the off-season with him on the list (although we would all have preferred the draft pick back - but what is done is done). I have no doubt that he will spend 6 months tirelessly working on his footwork, approach, body control, launch and tracking of the ball in marking situations and if the he and the coaches can get it right he will quickly go from a spud to a key role player as I am sure the confidence that will come from getting that area right will help his ground ball/clearance play and goal kicking.
He is in a unique situation in that most big guys at this level can not get themselves into position to impact a game, he can, but stuffs it up consistently for all to see, and due to a skill that really should not be that hard to fix. The coaches need to earn their money on this guy and improve that facet of his game because the payoff to improving that one area is substantial.
I am going to hold judgement on him until early next season to see if they re-calibrated him correctly because if he does get that right this thread will quickly start trending in a more positive direction.
However, I have seen enough of him in the ruck and how he moves around the ground to feel confident that if they can get his marking improved in the off-season then the difference he would make in a game would be substantial. He is putting himself into good positions to take 3-4 contested marks a game (but completely stuffing them up) and if they start to stick then we will see a different Hampson because his tap work has the potential to be elite.
Basically, I'm writing off this season and giving him a mulligan but am not unhappy that we will enter the off-season with him on the list (although we would all have preferred the draft pick back - but what is done is done). I have no doubt that he will spend 6 months tirelessly working on his footwork, approach, body control, launch and tracking of the ball in marking situations and if the he and the coaches can get it right he will quickly go from a spud to a key role player as I am sure the confidence that will come from getting that area right will help his ground ball/clearance play and goal kicking.
He is in a unique situation in that most big guys at this level can not get themselves into position to impact a game, he can, but stuffs it up consistently for all to see, and due to a skill that really should not be that hard to fix. The coaches need to earn their money on this guy and improve that facet of his game because the payoff to improving that one area is substantial.
I am going to hold judgement on him until early next season to see if they re-calibrated him correctly because if he does get that right this thread will quickly start trending in a more positive direction.
Juffaricho said:
A really well reasoned number of comments, Juffa. In some ways, hard to argue with. If it worked out the way you hypothesise then I would gladly eat some of my previous criticisms. It's just that my concern is that no matter the level of coaching and development support that he receives between now and the start of 2015, I am yet to see much evidence that he has the capacity to elevate his game to much greater heights than what he has shown since the commencement of his AFL career.
But that's why revelations exist, I guess.
tigertim said:
When he was younger, he couldn't consistently get into position to take the marks. Over the previous 4 seasons with Carlton his body started to fill out and his marking improved but he kept getting injured. Keep in mind, he played mainly forward at Carlton so his marking stats weren't padded with the chop out marks. This year he is getting into better positions to get to a contests but his last 3-4 steps are always off balance and his torso is rarely vertical/slightly forward in a strong position which is why he is missing the marks badly when the contact comes. His frame is huge and more than capable of absorbing the contact when it comes if it is in the right position and the marks should start to stick.
As for training on this aspect I have no idea if Carlton or Richmond have focussed specifically on that area in detail. The type of training I am referring is how young NFL Quarterback prospects are drilled for hours on end for years on their footwork before they move into their throwing action. It is tedius as hell but essential.
Hamspon's footwork is just all out of whack this year, more than in the past and it should be easier for him around the ground than in the past because the contact comes late as opposed to up forward where the blocking is done from early in the contest.
Juffaricho said:
Totally agree Juffa. He's obviously got a strange problem with his huge frame and arms. I'll give him a season to show what he can do and improve on during the pre-season. Bonding with Ivan will be important for next year also. He's too big a man to just throw in the bin early.
Irrespective of the impact on the salary cap I would play Hampson only as a back-up ruckman. He isn't ever going to be the answer. The Club needs to get its hands on an additional decent ruckman who can contribute around the ground.
Juffaricho said:
The biggest issue with this scenario Juffa is that our development of footballers basically appears hopeless. Particularly with big men; we really struggle in this area.
Personally I think Hampson is a lost cause but even if he wasn't you'd have to seriously doubt the ability of our coaching staff to develop him into a good AFL footballer.
