shaun hampson threads [merged]

[Tigers of Old]

according to B Lade he has poor depth perception with the ball coming straight toward him

They are teaching him to come across the path of the ball not straight on if that makes sense.

Without looking at the replay of his mark in the last 1/4, I seem to recall him taking the mark slightly side on ?

Gets it right a couple of times a game.

 

[Bullarto Tiger]

And for that we must be thankful.

 

[leon]

You (and Hardwick and the other experts you mentioned) just dont get it.

1. Griff, Vickery and Mcbean are all much better footballers than Hampson.(not hard, I could name about 800 more players on AFL lists)
2. Ruck those 3 and rotate them forward.
3. If the clearance numbers are similar to when Hampson rucks you are already a winner.
4. Find/poach the next Gawn, Goldy or Nicnat.(or fast track Cholly).

Someone posted that Port are last in HO and HOTA and first for scores from clearances. Err daaahhh! If you play an extra clearance player rather than specialist ruck you are likely to win more clearances. This is something you keep missing when you blame our clearance players for not winning more clearances but conveniently forget Hampson is one of those (admittedly very very poor) clearance players.

Interesting how you ignore my reply to your post, but choose to respond to mine back to CT. What, on his behalf? So is the puerile, patronising arrogance for him too - Err daaahhh! I know you're an obsessive hater of Dimma, but he at least made it to coaching at AFL level after a gutsy, distinguished career. Just let us know some time about your superlative footballing achievements. It's a touch simpler from the other side of the fence - that goes for Hampson too. Yer, I realise ONLY you get it though!!!

But, OK, I'll run with that.
- Griff definitely a better player; that's why we need him to play mostly forward and just relief ruck. He's showing what he is capable of now with his contested marks and goals. But don't you jump too hard on the bandwagon now in hindsight. Haven't you frequently slagged him for being gifted games ahead of your cause celebre - Liam McBean? But now he's performing you're claiming him, right? I have always been a big fan and supporter/defender of Griff. Which leads to next point.
- McBean. Cannot excel enough at VFL level to even get a game, but in your tunnel-vision he is a transformative player who is just totally unappreciated. I am not going to knock him, actually like him as my posts show. However, your opinions are without any substance whatsoever thus far. Hope he'l make it. I think the serious rucks of the AFL, like Nicnat and Mumford for example, would probably rag-doll him. But keep on fantasising - that's your only case there.
- Have you looked at the Vickery thread at all lately? You need to; never mind my view. Just examine what posters there have to say in large numbers; you should particularly focus on their judgements on his rucking aptitude, performances and inclinations. If that's the future for this division, so lucky to have others in charge with far more acumen than you. Re Choll - hopefully has a great future, but cannot compete at present with major rucks - proven in pre-season.
- I'm sure it must be really easy to "Find/poach the next Gawn, Goldy or Nicnat." No doubt we have people working on it. However, they probably just don't get it like you, so oh great master of all things in football, please spare us some enlightenment from your vast footballing knowledge. Where and how is this messiah to be easily had? Is he lurking at another club, another misunderstood Bean-stalk? How do we grab him - offer our first draft pick? What, please elaborate? But, as one who does not get it, why do we need him when we have Lord McBean. No. I just don't get it.
- A ruckman who gets HOs is achieving a significant part of his role as a CLR player, but must do far more if he can. Hampson is not good enough at the follow-up work but does more than you care to admit. Winning CLRs is an outcome of an entire midfield beating their opposition.
- Which is what PA's quality, tough and hard mids are good at obviously. Yes, it is overall an interesting topic. But it mainly bears out what I posted re Healey's comment. PA are mainly expecting the opp ruck to win most HOs, so are 'roving' accordingly, often beating opponents. However, many keen students of the game (not meaning myself) will always prefer a big, strong, winning ruck, especially in finals. How did Kreuezer go against Trengove when they played? I know who many thought made the vital difference.

 

[tigerlove]

And a reminder which way we're going at every ruck contest!

So we've got it sorted then. A pair of glasses and a compass and he'll be as good as gold. Actually compass would be a good nickname.

 

[TT33]

I think Hamper had laser eye surgery when he was with the bloose, maybe needs another dose/update.

 

[tigerlove]

I think Hamper had laser eye surgery when he was with the bloose, maybe needs another dose/update.

Can they also insert magnets so that he faces the right way after taking a mark?

 

[lamb22]

Leon. Vickery can rightly be lampooned for his poor form of recent weeks but he will still always be a better player than Hampson.

Of the little ruck stats I have done this year our clearance numbers with Vickery rucking are on a par with when Hampson rucks.

An answer to Vickery's poor involvement (as it is for Griff) is to get him involved in the midfield, Can only be a win/win for us.

Beanie ATM can only be e very limited relief ruckman. His job is to kick goals. (old fashioned I know)

My point 4 is that if we feel a Hampson type output as a ruckman by the trio is not enough then by all means seek an upgrade by whatever means possible.

You never know though Griff and Ty may grow into the roles. I do know neither has been given the responsibility of major ruck and it seems like a pretty good idea to me especially when our present ruck is a dodo.

 

[TigerMad]

according to B Lade he has poor depth perception .............

So that means Hampson is guaranteed a job for life in the Richmond list management department? ;D

 

[tigerlove]

Of the little ruck stats I have done this year our clearance numbers with Vickery rucking are on a par with when Hampson rucks.

Surely you cant be serious? Vickery isn't rucking. He's averaged 2.5 htouts a game. Even Grigg has 1.73. Maybe he's a better tap ruckman too than Hampson? There is no way in 100% years Vickery is a better ruckman than Hampson.

 

[Mappa]

Interesting how you ignore my reply to your post, but choose to respond to mine back to CT. What, on his behalf? So is the puerile, patronising arrogance for him too - Err daaahhh! I know you're an obsessive hater of Dimma, but he at least made it to coaching at AFL level after a gutsy, distinguished career. Just let us know some time about your superlative footballing achievements. It's a touch simpler from the other side of the fence - that goes for Hampson too. Yer, I realise ONLY you get it though!!!

But, OK, I'll run with that.
- Griff definitely a better player; that's why we need him to play mostly forward and just relief ruck. He's showing what he is capable of now with his contested marks and goals. But don't you jump too hard on the bandwagon now in hindsight. Haven't you frequently slagged him for being gifted games ahead of your cause celebre - Liam McBean? But now he's performing you're claiming him, right? I have always been a big fan and supporter/defender of Griff. Which leads to next point.
- McBean. Cannot excel enough at VFL level to even get a game, but in your tunnel-vision he is a transformative player who is just totally unappreciated. I am not going to knock him, actually like him as my posts show. However, your opinions are without any substance whatsoever thus far. Hope he'l make it. I think the serious rucks of the AFL, like Nicnat and Mumford for example, would probably rag-doll him. But keep on fantasising - that's your only case there.
- Have you looked at the Vickery thread at all lately? You need to; never mind my view. Just examine what posters there have to say in large numbers; you should particularly focus on their judgements on his rucking aptitude, performances and inclinations. If that's the future for this division, so lucky to have others in charge with far more acumen than you. Re Choll - hopefully has a great future, but cannot compete at present with major rucks - proven in pre-season.
- I'm sure it must be really easy to "Find/poach the next Gawn, Goldy or Nicnat." No doubt we have people working on it. However, they probably just don't get it like you, so oh great master of all things in football, please spare us some enlightenment from your vast footballing knowledge. Where and how is this messiah to be easily had? Is he lurking at another club, another misunderstood Bean-stalk? How do we grab him - offer our first draft pick? What, please elaborate? But, as one who does not get it, why do we need him when we have Lord McBean. No. I just don't get it.
- A ruckman who gets HOs is achieving a significant part of his role as a CLR player, but must do far more if he can. Hampson is not good enough at the follow-up work but does more than you care to admit. Winning CLRs is an outcome of an entire midfield beating their opposition.
- Which is what PA's quality, tough and hard mids are good at obviously. Yes, it is overall an interesting topic. But it mainly bears out what I posted re Healey's comment. PA are mainly expecting the opp ruck to win most HOs, so are 'roving' accordingly, often beating opponents. However, many keen students of the game (not meaning myself) will always prefer a big, strong, winning ruck, especially in finals. How did Kreuezer go against Trengove when they played? I know who many thought made the vital difference.

Nice posting, good to see someone with some spunk posting some sense other than the we hate everything Richmond, he's a dodo, get rid of Peggy, Benny, Dimma brigade.

 

[lamb22]

Surely you cant be serious? Vickery isn't rucking. He's averaged 2.5 htouts a game. Even Grigg has 1.73. Maybe he's a better tap ruckman too than Hampson? There is no way in 100% years Vickery is a better ruckman than Hampson.

Yeah he gets less hitouts. So does Nicholls, didn't stop GC winning the centre clearances.

Lets see. Ty marks, moves, kicks, handballs better than Hampson. Ty is a better ground player than Hampson. Ty kicks more goals than Hampson. Ty is faster and covers more ground than Hampson

And finally when they ruck the clearance percentages are about the same.

I know who I'd pick to ruck.

 

[lamb22]

Nice posting, good to see someone with some spunk posting some sense other than the we hate everything Richmond, he's a dodo, get rid of Peggy, Benny, Dimma brigade.

If that was aimed at me I have edited for accuracy.

Cheers ;D

 

[lamb22]

Sometimes context helps.

A first ruck might contest 80 ruck contests. Each contest takes 4 or 5 seconds. That translates to (lets be generous) 5 - 7 minutes of game time. The ruckman then has a potential 73 plus minutes more of "player' time.

Now if Griff rucks and the clearances are 50/50 and Hampson rucks and the clearances are 50/50, who do we prefer playing tall and ruck roving around the ground for those 73 minutes?

 

[lamb22]

Some more context. The last two rounds 8 teams that won the hitouts won the game. 10 teams that lost the hitouts won the game.

So winning the hitouts (from a very small sample) gets you less than 50% return in wins over that period.

 

[tigerlove]

Yeah he gets less hitouts. So does Nicholls, didn't stop GC winning the centre clearances.

Lets see. Ty marks, moves, kicks, handballs better than Hampson. Ty is a better ground player than Hampson. Ty kicks more goals than Hampson. Ty is faster and covers more ground than Hampson

And finally when they ruck the clearance percentages are about the same.

I know who I'd pick to ruck.

I'm guessing you haven't watched Ty play this year. His ruck forays have been laughable. And you're comparing clearance rates between two players, one who has had 354 hitouts for the season and rucks all day versus someone who has had 30? Like I said you can't be serious. Even with his clear deficiences around the ground, Hamposn is a better option in the ruck than Vickery. Plus the small issue that Vickery doesn't even want to ruck.

 

[lamb22]

I'm guessing you haven't watched Ty play this year. His ruck forays have been laughable. And you're comparing clearance rates between two players, one who has had 354 hitouts for the season and rucks all day versus someone who has had 30? Like I said you can't be serious. Even with his clear deficiences around the ground, Hamposn is a better option in the ruck than Vickery. Plus the small issue that Vickery doesn't even want to ruck.

I have and it doesn't matter how laughable Ty looks if we end up getting the ball.

PS without knowing I'd say Ty's HOTD are about 6 and Hampson about 100,

 

[tigerlove]

Some more context. The last two rounds 8 teams that won the hitouts won the game. 10 teams that lost the hitouts won the game.

So winning the hitouts (from a very small sample) gets you less than 50% return in wins over that period.

Well naturally the quality of your midfield will also win you games. I don't think anyone is arguing that a ruckman alone is the deciding factor on a team winning or losing. Our problem isn't should Hapmson be rucking ahead of Vickery or Griffiths, our problem is we don't truly have a quality ruckman, you know one that can get his fair share of quality hitouts but also be influential around the ground.

 

[tigerlove]

I have and it doesn't matter how laughable Ty looks if we end up getting the ball.

Ty isn't our ruck answer. He won't even jump for the ball, how often has he stuck his head into the opposition's armpit at a bounce? Why do you think he has hardly been rucking this year? Why would we have him on the bench for the whole of the last quarter if anyone anywhere with some sort of decision making authority thought him to be superior or he even wanted to ruck?

 

[lamb22]

Well naturally the quality of your midfield will also win you games. I don't think anyone is arguing that a ruckman alone is the deciding factor on a team winning or losing. Our problem isn't should Hapmson be rucking ahead of Vickery or Griffiths, our problem is we don't truly have a quality ruckman, you know one that can get his fair share of quality hitouts but also be influential around the ground.

No problem with getting a well rounded player as a ruckman.

However people get all excited about hitouts when they don't matter much at all (unless you can really influence clearance numbers your way).

 

[lamb22]

Ty isn't our ruck answer. He won't even jump for the ball, how often has he stuck his head into the opposition's armpit at a bounce? Why do you think he has hardly been rucking this year? Why would we have him on the bench for the whole of the last quarter if anyone anywhere with some sort of decision making authority thought him to be superior or he even wanted to ruck?

I prefer Griff myself.

Ty should start to work for a living though!