Tigers of Old said:
He wasn't drafted as a ruck, the fact he could ruck was a bonus. I even remember hearing Emma Quayle trying to determine his best position, it was by no means a forgone conclusion.
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He wasn't drafted as a ruck, the fact he could ruck was a bonus. I even remember hearing Emma Quayle trying to determine his best position, it was by no means a forgone conclusion.
Merveille said:
i like the idea, but i dont know there will be many 200cm ruckman who dont have a great leap, or great strenght, running around in a year or 2.
Griff might have the leap to compete but TV doesnt. cos if this i cant see him ever being a fulltime ruckman.
bullus_hit said:
Vickery is a strong-marking ruckman who can also play forward, and is noted for his ability to make good decisions when under pressure, attributes that saw him selected in the 2008 All-Australian Under-18 side.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2008-11-29/a-family-affair-for-the-tigers
Spiel from the club at the time appears to be in the reverse to what you say bully.
We had very little in the ruck stocks at the time. I've no doubt that this was why we went with him primarily at pick 8.
Djevv said:
That's one of the few times this year Hammer has been less worse than our other rucks in terms of us getting clearances.
So yes in relative output that was one of Shaun's better ruck displays.
And that begs the question if we lose the clearance count when he plays and he costs us 3 goals and provides no offence or rebound why are we playing him.
You really need to benchmark what clearance dominance is required to carry a player who is likely to leak goals and provide no real assistance offensively.
I 'd suggest you'd need to win the clearance count by a fair margin to carry such a player.
PS Rucking might not be irrelevant but in a lot of cases it's not very relevant. Most weeks including this past one teams that lost the hitouts are more likely to win the clearances, our game a prime example.
There was one game with a ruck dominance of 60 -26 in hitouts which translated to something like a 37 - 32 clearance win.
If your ruckman is not a good clearance player hitouts become less and less and less relevant.
There was one game with a ruck dominance of 60 -26 in hitouts which translated to something like a 37 - 32 clearance win.
If your ruckman is not a good clearance player hitouts become less and less and less relevant.
Tigers of Old said:
As per usual Emma has a better handle on the juniors.
5. Tyrone Vickery
(Sandringham Dragons, 200cm, 89kg)
Vickery is intriguing. Every time I got it into my head that I like him better as a key forward, he didn’t attack his marks with the vigour I’d remembered, but played with really nice touch in the ruck. Then, when I watched him as a ruckman, he’d be hurling himself around in the forward line and looking much better there. At the end of it all, I really like him. Sometimes, it worries me when you can’t decide which position a player best fits, but I think Vickery legitimately does both well.
i do like the fact that with hampson in the side, tapping the ball straight down the opposition mids throat does not happen, this is what lost the final against carlton for us, and one reason west coast beat us last year.
jokershoppe said:
Yet we won the hit outs 42 to 28 bit got flogged in the clearances 42-31 against the Essendon 2's.
Last season we averaged 36.4 clearances a game with Maric. This season 37.3. So a big uptick in hitouts for little net result. Yet Hardwick is sprouting every week about our clearance "dominance" on the back of Hampson "becoming the player we'd thought he'd be" in spite of the actual facts.
We need serious ruck help but for less than 1 clearance a game I'd take Maric's around the ground work because a lamp post offers more than Hampson in that area. Especially if Goldstein is limited or out this week. Hardwick will stick with Hampson given his "dominance" :hihi
Yeah, Dimmas support of his players is admirable but there's some pocket pissing going on when talks about Ty, Morris and in this case, Hampy.Barnzy said:
It's almost like a version of Chinese whispers, one person mentions Hampsons great dominance and everyone harps on as if it's fact when the stats keep proving otherwise.
tigertim said:
Yeah it's called Dimma whispers.
Dimma will sprout his drone propaganda over and over, then his band of yes man repeat it and repeat it in the media. Then the supporters start to believe it because they're being brainwashed hearing it over and over again. How can it not be true? :hihi
