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Russia Invades Ukraine
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Probably pretty primitive way back then, just like it was everywhere else around the world at that time. Pretty sure there was lots of *smile* wits running around kabooming the *smile* out of a lot of people way back then too. Funny how not much has changed in a hundred years except for the fact we've gotten way much better at the kabooming side of things.
Google Russian Revolution Wikipedia. They had a monarchy rule by Tsars {Kings) but last one abdicated & Bolsheviks (Commo's) under Lenin took power. Tsar & entire family then murdered by them. The rest history.
Then the next commie “tsars” like Lenin, Stalin, Krushov, Brezchnev and now Putin have kept tradition going
Craig Murray: Mea Culpa on Ukraine
The same powers who fund and arm Ukraine fund and arm genocide by a racial supremacist Israel. My belief in some kind of inherent decency in the Western political Establishment was naive.
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How Dare Tucker Carlson Let Putin Talk!
Tucker Carlson’s recent interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin brought to light many contradictions of the mainstream media’s coverage of the Russia-Ukraine war. To acknowledge these contr…
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Craig Murray: Mea Culpa on Ukraine
The same powers who fund and arm Ukraine fund and arm genocide by a racial supremacist Israel. My belief in some kind of inherent decency in the Western political Establishment was naive.
Interesting articles Harry. Well worth the readHow Dare Tucker Carlson Let Putin Talk!
Tucker Carlson’s recent interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin brought to light many contradictions of the mainstream media’s coverage of the Russia-Ukraine war. To acknowledge these contr…
I wouldn't be worrying too much about the history of this region going back much before 2014, because it's largely irrelevant to whats happening now.
Facts:
- West vetto'd peace talks in 2022
- Putin has openly stated that he wants to negotiate peace, and that has been his position right through the war until Kursk got hit.
So how any why did this start?
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60 days before the coup on the Ukranian Govt in 2014, Victoria Nuland is speaking at a State Dept event sponsored by Exxon Mobil and Chevron Oil, the number 12 and number 2 oil companies on the globe.
Chevron in 2013 had signed a 10 BILLION dollar deal with Nafta Gas, the largest state owned oil co in the Ukraine. Under the deal it would become privately owned.
The newly elected Ukrainian Govt didn't like the deal, no surprises here, as there was little in it for the Ukraine. But in the Ukraine it's very easy to pay off corrupt officials to get any deal you want.
Basically Nafta Gas was being sold off to Western Stakeholders, $10 billion from Chevron, $10 from Shell and billions from Exxcon Mobil.
Victor Janekovic refused to agree to the deal. As soon as he did this, the west launched their coup on his government (yes, we did that, the protectors of democracy)
So this sponsored event of the State Dept, has Victoria Nuland on the podium BRAGGING about how they've managed to over throw an elected Govt, and she's doing this with Exxcon Mobil and Chevron banners behind her, two major beneficiaries of this action.
What they didn't anticipate was the eastern part of the Ukraine, to have a counter coup where the Dombas and Crimea broke off with a reffurendum agreeing to join the Russian federation.. The problem with this is that ALL of these oil reserves are in the DOMBAS and off the coast of Crimea, so suddenly the billions of investments looks like returning duck eggs to Exxcon Mobil, Shell and Chevron.
This is what makes peace talks so hard now. All these reserves are out of our reach.
So CIA gets involved in the paramilitary re-conquest of this region. Kiev's paramilitary, trained by the CIA and Brittish forces murders 18,000 Ukrainains in this region which is when Russia stepped in.
When Trump got into office in 2017, his first appointment for head of state was Rex Tillerson, effectively removing the middle man. The head of Exxon is right there making the thug decisions on the Ukraine. Before you all start declaring what an arse hole Trump is for this appointment, understand that he had to make 60,000 appointments when he came to office. Also bear in mind that he didn't just beat the Democrats, he also beat the epublicans who didn't want him leading their party. RFK junior summarises this when he states that the political establishment preyed on Trumps lack of political experience and swamped him with bureaucrats whose job wa sto control him and his administration. It wasonly when the whole Russia Gate hoax fell apart in 2019 that Trump was able to get on top of this and start sacking these types. He also started to unshackle himself from large corporate doners.
This is likely why the Democrats are so focused on Project 2025. TRump says he hasn't read it. My guess is that he may have, but a lot of Project 2025 farticulates the schedule "F" technique to rid the bureaucracy of political appointments, or fat cat bureaucrats who are controlling the Govt. So we can believe him or not in relation to Project 2025, but a lot of what that document talks about is the same stuff Trump has talked about doing anyway, and i don't see that as a bad thing. The President should have power, not unelected fat catrs sponsored by large corporations. A second Trump term will not be so naive, particularly with RFK junior advising him. James Comey the FBI director even bragged of the way they dupped Trump when he was first in office.
Back to the war......................
Putin did not put troops on the border to invade. He did that to force a strong negotiation hand. When he invaded, a peace deal was drawn up and signed off on by both countries. They even popped the champaign corks, until Boris Johnson and the US got involved.
Had they stuck to the deal, the Ukraine would not have lost any land, and the status of the Dombas would have been decided by direct meetings between Putin and the *smile* puppet guy.
So now we are going to allow long range weapon use by the Ukraine, Russia knowing full well that the weapons are guided by satilites that the Ukraine doesn't have. So who is guidung these FRench and US missiles? Well that would be the French and the US, so it becomes a lot more than a proxy ar when Russia knows full well that it's basivclaly France and the USA bombing them.
Whether we like it or not, the only person showing any common sense or dae i say it 'statesmanship' is actually Putin. The west keep pushing this further and further towards a full on knetic was with Russia.
That Republican F*&kwit Lindsay Graham summed it up perfectly when he said of the money being spent "It's the best moeny we've ever spent. We're killing Russians, and haven't lost a single US serviceman"!
He omits to say that a whole generation of Ukranian youth has been wiped out. That Ukranians ar ebeing kidnapped off the streets and thrown into buses to be taken to the front. That comment by that NEOCON is pure evil.
As Trump said during the debate "I just want peole to stop dying"!
That wasn't enough for the moderator, they had to keep asking "But do you want the Ukraine to win the war"?
Trumps best response would have been to throw back to this idiot and ask "What do you mean win the war? What constitutes a victory"?
The only way we get to voctory is to leave the palnet a smouldering mess, because i doubt Russia is going to go away into the night without hitting the red butto nas a last resort.
Facts:
- West vetto'd peace talks in 2022
- Putin has openly stated that he wants to negotiate peace, and that has been his position right through the war until Kursk got hit.
So how any why did this start?
OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL
60 days before the coup on the Ukranian Govt in 2014, Victoria Nuland is speaking at a State Dept event sponsored by Exxon Mobil and Chevron Oil, the number 12 and number 2 oil companies on the globe.
Chevron in 2013 had signed a 10 BILLION dollar deal with Nafta Gas, the largest state owned oil co in the Ukraine. Under the deal it would become privately owned.
The newly elected Ukrainian Govt didn't like the deal, no surprises here, as there was little in it for the Ukraine. But in the Ukraine it's very easy to pay off corrupt officials to get any deal you want.
Basically Nafta Gas was being sold off to Western Stakeholders, $10 billion from Chevron, $10 from Shell and billions from Exxcon Mobil.
Victor Janekovic refused to agree to the deal. As soon as he did this, the west launched their coup on his government (yes, we did that, the protectors of democracy)
So this sponsored event of the State Dept, has Victoria Nuland on the podium BRAGGING about how they've managed to over throw an elected Govt, and she's doing this with Exxcon Mobil and Chevron banners behind her, two major beneficiaries of this action.
What they didn't anticipate was the eastern part of the Ukraine, to have a counter coup where the Dombas and Crimea broke off with a reffurendum agreeing to join the Russian federation.. The problem with this is that ALL of these oil reserves are in the DOMBAS and off the coast of Crimea, so suddenly the billions of investments looks like returning duck eggs to Exxcon Mobil, Shell and Chevron.
This is what makes peace talks so hard now. All these reserves are out of our reach.
So CIA gets involved in the paramilitary re-conquest of this region. Kiev's paramilitary, trained by the CIA and Brittish forces murders 18,000 Ukrainains in this region which is when Russia stepped in.
When Trump got into office in 2017, his first appointment for head of state was Rex Tillerson, effectively removing the middle man. The head of Exxon is right there making the thug decisions on the Ukraine. Before you all start declaring what an arse hole Trump is for this appointment, understand that he had to make 60,000 appointments when he came to office. Also bear in mind that he didn't just beat the Democrats, he also beat the epublicans who didn't want him leading their party. RFK junior summarises this when he states that the political establishment preyed on Trumps lack of political experience and swamped him with bureaucrats whose job wa sto control him and his administration. It wasonly when the whole Russia Gate hoax fell apart in 2019 that Trump was able to get on top of this and start sacking these types. He also started to unshackle himself from large corporate doners.
This is likely why the Democrats are so focused on Project 2025. TRump says he hasn't read it. My guess is that he may have, but a lot of Project 2025 farticulates the schedule "F" technique to rid the bureaucracy of political appointments, or fat cat bureaucrats who are controlling the Govt. So we can believe him or not in relation to Project 2025, but a lot of what that document talks about is the same stuff Trump has talked about doing anyway, and i don't see that as a bad thing. The President should have power, not unelected fat catrs sponsored by large corporations. A second Trump term will not be so naive, particularly with RFK junior advising him. James Comey the FBI director even bragged of the way they dupped Trump when he was first in office.
Back to the war......................
Putin did not put troops on the border to invade. He did that to force a strong negotiation hand. When he invaded, a peace deal was drawn up and signed off on by both countries. They even popped the champaign corks, until Boris Johnson and the US got involved.
Had they stuck to the deal, the Ukraine would not have lost any land, and the status of the Dombas would have been decided by direct meetings between Putin and the *smile* puppet guy.
So now we are going to allow long range weapon use by the Ukraine, Russia knowing full well that the weapons are guided by satilites that the Ukraine doesn't have. So who is guidung these FRench and US missiles? Well that would be the French and the US, so it becomes a lot more than a proxy ar when Russia knows full well that it's basivclaly France and the USA bombing them.
Whether we like it or not, the only person showing any common sense or dae i say it 'statesmanship' is actually Putin. The west keep pushing this further and further towards a full on knetic was with Russia.
That Republican F*&kwit Lindsay Graham summed it up perfectly when he said of the money being spent "It's the best moeny we've ever spent. We're killing Russians, and haven't lost a single US serviceman"!
He omits to say that a whole generation of Ukranian youth has been wiped out. That Ukranians ar ebeing kidnapped off the streets and thrown into buses to be taken to the front. That comment by that NEOCON is pure evil.
As Trump said during the debate "I just want peole to stop dying"!
That wasn't enough for the moderator, they had to keep asking "But do you want the Ukraine to win the war"?
Trumps best response would have been to throw back to this idiot and ask "What do you mean win the war? What constitutes a victory"?
The only way we get to voctory is to leave the palnet a smouldering mess, because i doubt Russia is going to go away into the night without hitting the red butto nas a last resort.
Well said and written.
Ohh wasn't it Trumps fault the war started? That’s usually the narrative.
People might start to open their eyes…Biden, Hunter Biden, the Obamas and Clinton’s. The oligarchs running the Democrats with their close ties to the military industrial complex. Cashed up lobby groups from Armament and Weapon manufacturing companies, Big Tech and the major corporations who control their hand puppets like Old Joe and Harris. They have done for years. Killer Obama and Hilary, Pelosi and the other criminals. But Trump is bad. He’s orange. He’s a criminal.
It’s too bad some people can’t open their eyes.
They weren’t going to give them big guns. Then they did.
They weren’t going to give them Abrams battle tanks. Then they did.
They weren’t going to give them F16s and other high tech planes. They did.
They’ll hand over whatever the Weapons manufacturers tell them to.
But too many only believe what they want to without having any idea with what is actually happening.
Ask Kamala how she will bring about peace to the Ukraine (and the Middle East)…”.i was born in a middle class family whose neighbours loved their lawns” good luck with that.
Old Joes milking it, Harris knows Russia is big and Ukraine is small. That’ll help..
She'll look for assistance from the USA's ally North Korea!!!
No wonder they keep her away from microphones.
This has been going on for so many years. Decades if not centuries. The warmongers and weapons manufacturers are only interested in the $billions to be made.
Then other subdivisions of these corporations step in to wet their beaks.
It doesn’t which sphere, which war, the same names can be found.
Amazingly enough, the American politicians, senators, congresspeople, department heads etc who have share portfolios will shares in these corporations.
No “conflict of interest”. Oh no…
Google what the CEO of Lockheed Martin made from Afghanistan. Death and destruction. The sowing and stirring up of hatred and animosity all for a *smile* quid.
Then other subdivisions of these corporations step in to wet their beaks.
It doesn’t which sphere, which war, the same names can be found.
Amazingly enough, the American politicians, senators, congresspeople, department heads etc who have share portfolios will shares in these corporations.
No “conflict of interest”. Oh no…
Google what the CEO of Lockheed Martin made from Afghanistan. Death and destruction. The sowing and stirring up of hatred and animosity all for a *smile* quid.
Well there you go.
Old Joe mandates the legislation that of any aid to Ukraine over 64% is spent in the US. The benefactors of this largesse is the US Arms Manufacturers and the US economy. The rest is supposed to be on programs within Ukraine which seems to get swallowed up in the usual corruption. Some good informative viewing.
The warmongers love it. The ultra rich *smile* keep making money hand over fist.The corrupt politicians get their pockets filled.
The innocents suffer. The ordinary soldier pays the ultimate price.
Old Joe mandates the legislation that of any aid to Ukraine over 64% is spent in the US. The benefactors of this largesse is the US Arms Manufacturers and the US economy. The rest is supposed to be on programs within Ukraine which seems to get swallowed up in the usual corruption. Some good informative viewing.
The warmongers love it. The ultra rich *smile* keep making money hand over fist.The corrupt politicians get their pockets filled.
The innocents suffer. The ordinary soldier pays the ultimate price.
The Republicans wars in Iraq and Afghanistan sure have been expensive.
The war in Afghanistan alone has cost the USA "$300 million dollars per day, every day, for two decades."
www.forbes.com
The war in Afghanistan alone has cost the USA "$300 million dollars per day, every day, for two decades."
"The War In Afghanistan Cost America $300 Million Per Day For 20 Years, With Big Bills Yet To Come"
The War In Afghanistan Cost America $300 Million Per Day For 20 Years, With Big Bills Yet To Come
Add in decades of interest payments and care for wounded vets and the total bill could top $6.5 trillion.
www.forbes.com
I know you are only doing a little tit for tat, but you’re in the wrong thread. This is about the Ukraine war.
And fancy that, Obama was in office for 8 years during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Maybe he got a hefty discount.why didn’t his Administration withdraw ay back in 2009? Can you answer that?
But those are over and done with now.
Ukraine is ongoing
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I mentioned that term quite some time ago David and no, it was Eisenhower who first coined the term. Which I also mentioned.
(As a student of history
)And why I pointed out it has been going on for decades if not centuries.
You must have missed it …again,
Certainly do. You give them $billions in aid and loans. As I posted above, the majority of the aid and loan money is spent within the US, bolstering their economy, getting rid of old weapons stock, more job security and upgrades etc etc.
Then the aid and loans, we’ll not so much loans as it will never be repaid, nor is it expected to.
Just hand over slices of the National land and utilities to companies like BlackRock and Vanguard who are the major shareholders of Raytheon, Lockheed, Exxon, Pharma, Food corps etc.
And guess who has the likes of Killer Obama, Old Moll Clinton, Pelosi on the books. With bribes, shares or as consultants.
They dgaf about the Ukrainian people, or Palestinians, they’re full of *smile*.
HTF Killer Obama ever got 2009 Nobel Peace Prize after being in office for less than 8 months? Some bastard got paid off.
And 15 years layer Killer Obama is still at it. What was his quote “no dumb wars” for him. Just sell them the means to kill each other and get rich doing it. What a POS.
