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Rhyan Mansell welcome to Tigerland

AstuteTiger said:
Luke Hodge had this to say on SEN's Whateley this morning:

“I feel that the Tribunal got it wrong last night.”
“On face value, if you watch that last split-second of the bump, it looks like he’s going to run straight through him,” Hodge added.

“If you look at how the play unfolded, Aish was running with the ball, the ball’s gone over his head, Mansell has run out and that ball bobbled end over end and sat up which meant it went back towards Aish.

“If that had have bobbled one more time, Mansell picks the ball up and he’s charging out. Everyone is going to sit there and go ‘well done, look at the attack on this young fella’.

“That ball bounces up, Aish doesn’t get the ball in his hands so he (Mansell) can’t tackle him, he can’t slow down and he collides. The Tribunal said why didn’t he attempt to pick up the ball? If he had have tried to get the ball, he would have run head-first straight into Aish.

“So then you would have had two blokes knocked out.
“As a (past) player I feel for him because he did the right thing and because of the bounce of an oval ball, it made him hesitate.

“I’m sitting here going is three weeks fair for that? That’s probably a bit harsh in my books.”
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Hodge gets it. But the AFL puppet in Wheatley just dismisses it. He *smile* me.
 
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tigerdell said:
Unfortunately T-Love thats a fair and reasonable statement.
If Aish had his head down over the ball its expected that Mansell would slow down, not contact his head and not bump and attempt to tackle.

If Aish got to the ball first the very strong recommrndation is not bump but tackle.

The AFL expects and knows these elite players make split second decisions.
So a 0.2sec timeframe isnt abnormal. He could assess from 5m back if he would get there in time

The difference in this Instance is that Mansell miscalculated. He was later than Aish. But its such a fine line, extremely microscopically fine.
And suspensions dont allow for miscalculations that are in the spirit of footy

I want Mansell to attack the contest.
I loved the moment.

But the outcome is consistent with an AFL using signals to determine actions - 'Mansell shaped to bump' and 'his eyes deviated away from the ball'
(both reasonable footy actions imo)
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Yep, and disagree with the last statement if that is the AFLs view. The ball is oval so it can bounce any way so you never make assumptions in a contested battle. That 0.2 seconds was the difference between winning the ball and not. There is no human way possible players can be going at pace in opposition directions, and at that very last moment when you realise the ball is not yours, just stop in your tracks and avoid contact. That was a fair contest which ended badly. That happens in footy. Now I understand when a player is not looking at the ball at all and passes the ball to smash a player or jumps in the air. To me the difference is stark yet a Mansell gets the the same penalty as a De Goey. The system is broken. There's a reason players keep getting reported for bumps and tackles amd that's because it's a lottery. Players can't control the outcomes unless they stop competing and that's simply not what AFL footy is about.

Mansell did nothing wrong. Only option would have been to throw the contest away 20 metres from the ball. Not one AFL player would instinctively do that.
 
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mjb said:
They both had the ball in front of them.

At what point do you have to stop contesting?
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When Simon says stop.
Last twenty years or so the AFL been rewarding the players that go in stupid with absolutely no awareness of what is going on around them. Or even worse deliberately manipulating the rules by putting themselves into dangerous positions to draw the reward. AFLHQ simply loves taking the most difficult pathway to try and solve simple problems and *smile* over the game in the process.
 
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Just watching replay again.
When play stopped not one Freo player remonstrated with Nigel.
Not one.
Must get off.
Was a football act.
Nothing more.
If this fails players should start playing in Dinner suits!
 
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tigersnake said:
Its not the suspension that gets me, it's the inconsistency. If degoey is 3, mansell is 1, I'd take 2 factoring in the richmond factor. Or alternatively if mansell is 3, degoey is 5.
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That's purely on the cowardice of the AFL and the MRO.

Mansell's collision with Aish should be assessed as careless. Got to the ball a split second behind and reflexively braced for contact. 1 week.

KMart, Kosi n Spewart all deliberately elected to bump when they could have tackled or simply pulled up as the ball was already disposed of in the Spewart and KMart situations. They also all jumped up to ensure high contact. Should have been assessed as intentional every day of the week. 3 weeks minimum.

No player goes out into a game deliberately intending to injure another player, but there's plenty of times they take deliberate / intentional actions that are dangerous and extremely likely to cause injury. Flogs in suits are killing the game and crucifying the players by refusing to differentiate between a cowardly assault on a player and an honest collision within a contest for the ball.
 
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tigerlove said:
Yep, and disagree with the last statement if that is the AFLs view. The ball is oval so it can bounce any way so you never make assumptions in a contested battle. That 0.2 seconds was the difference between winning the ball and not. There is no human way possible players can be going at pace in opposition directions, and at that very last moment when you realise the ball is not yours, just stop in your tracks and avoid contact. That was a fair contest which ended badly. That happens in footy. Now I understand when a player is not looking at the ball at all and passes the ball to smash a player or jumps in the air. To me the difference is stark yet a Mansell gets the the same penalty as a De Goey. The system is broken. There's a reason players keep getting reported for bumps and tackles amd that's because it's a lottery. Players can't control the outcomes unless they stop competing and that's simply not what AFL footy is about.

Mansell did nothing wrong. Only option would have been to throw the contest away 20 metres from the ball. Not one AFL player would instinctively do that.
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Agree.
The decision stinks. The free kick was bad enough
 
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move over Jacob Townsend .here is my new fav .............a perfect hard bump .........this guy plays with heart, toughness and team first .......Townsend mark 2
 
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Smoking Aces said:
Hodge gets it. But the AFL puppet in Wheatley just dismisses it. He *smile* me.
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Kermit has trotted out that line each time he has spoken to an ex-player about it both on tv and radio - this ones open and shut isn't it?

He's a weasel. He and Kornes would be the least interesting characters in the AFL media landscape.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
We all know that partly due to CTE the AFL will continue to steadily water down the contact in the game. I'm surprised that it's reached the level of ruling out Rhyan's attack on the ball this soon. Amazed.

We have to appeal. Not sure how that will work out. In the medium term Mansell's attack will be deemed illegal but not many of us saw it coming this soon. And I can't recall it's ever being stated as strictly as this interpretation.
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This.

Although I'm less surprised at the pace of change - I think once the AFL started going down the road of using the MRP as a butt-covering mechanism for all things future CTE lawsuit related, it was always going to be a case of the floodgates opening.

There's little point in them being half-pregnant in this, if they perceive the future legal quagmire as being as serious as they clearly do, then really it's the obvious course of action.

Do I like it? Nope. I love my footy as a contact sport. But I don't blame the AFL for taking measures now that will hopefully minimise the massive financial hit the sport is going to take when the lawsuits start ramping up. It's just a function of the ridiculously litigious society we live in, and unfortunately that's a genie that'll never go back into the bottle.
 
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MD Jazz said:
Kermit hsa trotted out that line each time he has spoken to an ex-player about it both on tv and radio - this ones open and shut isn't it?

He's a weasel. He and Kornes would be the least interesting characters in the AFL media llandscape.
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Bloviators like Kornes, Hodge and whomever else offer their opinions coming from a background as players and that's fine, whether they are well founded or not. Whately is the worst because he purports to be a journalist. He is supposed to be better than that: operating with some rigour and even handedness. But he's nothing more than a fan masquerading as a journo and that's just disingenuous. *smile*!
 
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If Aish is 5 cm taller it’s not even reported let alone going straight to the tribunal because he doesn’t get hit on the head.

That’s how random it is

Next thing we will see is a player getting reported for going up for a mark because someone gets injured in a marking contest
 
By picking him for Saturday the club must be confident he will get the ban rescinded for what I call a travesty of a ban. I am not his biggest fan but he doesn't deserve this ban for a footballing incident
 
Sintiger said:
If Aish is 5 cm taller it’s not even reported let alone going straight to the tribunal because he doesn’t get hit on the head.

That’s how random it is

Next thing we will see is a player getting reported for going up for a mark because someone gets injured in a marking contest
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Maybe they’ll report the player who knocks himself out in a marking attempt.
 
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