SCOOP said:
Agree 100%, except for the 'become' part. There is nothing new about the racism, it just exposed it.
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Re: Adam Goodes
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Agree 100%, except for the 'become' part. There is nothing new about the racism, it just exposed it.
Coburgtiger said:
There you go. Not everyone who booed Adam Goodes was racist. And I agree with you with most of your post. But booing a player on the odd occasion for staging for a free kick, dirty play or war dance as the case may be is very different to the weekly booing that you're referring to. And you can't lump the 2 groups together. That's all I'm saying.
And FWIW, I don't boo at the football, or anywhere else. At anyone, for anything. Not my thing. Kind of childish in my opinion.
As for Adam Goodes, what's done is done. Show was over a long time ago. Time to move on. Good luck to him at DJ's.
SCOOP said:
it totally proves how moronic it is...his not even playing footy anymore and the small minded,little thinking,frightened little bogans are boo booing him for working for david jones...its quite pathetic.....to be honest this saga has awakened me to the simple fact that i do not like,or relate to massive amount of australians....what a sad sad thing it was that he didn't feel he could attend the grand final retired players lap of honour
If anyone is to blame its Adam Goodes and the AFL, he's actions on the field is why he got booed not because of he's color
It is debatable whether we have a 'right to boo' someone but what is irrefutable is that when the person being booed lets everyone know how hurtful it is and yet you continue to boo them with that knowledge then you become a bully. The fact that Goodes was only booed after becoming 'Australian of the Year' and after voicing his views on the treatment of indigenous Australians would suggest the booing was racially motivated. We have all enjoyed the sublime skills of many indigenous players across many teams and various sports but we seem to singularly require them to remain totally silent when it comes to issues affecting their community. Rioli would cop the same abuse if he too threatened our comfortable status quo. Let the man be!
IanG said:
Actually, that's exactly what a lot of you were saying. Boo and you were supporting the racists, therefore you're racist yourself.
But the booing and the DJ's appointment haven't proved any sort of widespread racism. Yes, there is widespread dislike of Adam Goodes, but is that racist? Once again, just because you dislike Adam Goodes does NOT make you racist.
And by the way, I haven't read the Fakebook comments. Unless every citizen of Australia makes an honest comment, then any claims about racism are flawed. Same as when the vast majority of those purchasing TV's for example, are happy with purchase and have no problems. But the majority of comments on various forums are negative because the people mainly making comments are unhappy. Everyone else sees no need to make comments. IE, bogans are a noisy lot.
Screw it, I'll vote for any political party that promises to put the question on why people like or dislike Adam Goodes to the people at the next election. But it'll never happen because you'll all be fighting over which options to put on the ballot form to try and sway the results your way.
Do you honestly think that Cyril Rioli would have gotten the same response if he got a job promoting DJ's? I highly doubt it. But if racism is truly the main driver of this issue with Adam Goodes, then surely any Aboriginal person would get the same response.
Coburgtiger said:
Exactly. And tolerant people do a lot of damage every time they play the race card were it isn't warranted to try and further their agenda.
1eyedtiger said:
Those who are booing who know that some of the booing is racist are knowingly participating in a racist act even if they themselves aren't racist. If you don't see the problem with that well..................... Its like saying ooh I like KKK costumes, I'm not a racist like KKK members but I'll dress up like one and go to a KKK meeting.
Why abuse DJs for employing him then? Is he not allowed to have a life beyond football. Like they said on Offsider it seems some people won't be satisfied until he is run out of the country. And over what? He performed some poor acts on the field but no worse than say Dustin Fletcher, are people going to abuse Fletcher's future employers because they dislike the way he played?
The difference between Rioli and Goodes has been explained numerous times on here. If anything the contrasting treatment makes the racist persecution of Goodes even more obvious.
No agenda here beyond simple compassion and empathy for someone who has been persecuted and greatly affected by it.
Tigermum said:
spot on T-mum.
Goodes' crime was to dare to point out that blackfellas haven't had an armchair ride.
IanG said:
You're wasting your time IanG, every issue raised has been explained and dissected 20 times at least.
The sad fact is that people who say "I'm not racist, but I don't like the way he conducts himself so therefore I boo him" ie standing up against racist abuse and making political statements from his position as AOTY just can't see that that in itself is a racist position.
SCOOP said:
my view is that Goodes was a brilliant footballer, who turned into to dirty footballer due to his lack of pace in his final years. I get the hate because he comes across as an average bloke. what makes it worse is the sooking (re the GF parade and madden medal). but even I have to say that this has gone to ridiculous levels. the abuse by trolls on the DJs FB page is pathetic. he's retired now. enough is enough. time to move on.
After seeing how this is continuing to be an issue and vile abuse DJ are getting over Goodes, do you still think he was "sooking" for not attending the GF Parade or Madden Medal ? Or do you think it's now understandable why he is trying to stay away.
I wonder how much abuse he is getting directly through social media, interweb or directly.
I wonder how much abuse he is getting directly through social media, interweb or directly.
Baloo said:
I don't think he was sooking. It's disappointing that he missed the grand final parade and pulled out of the Madden medal running but he was damned if he did, danmed if he didn't and I don't blame him for a minute.
And all this fuss over the DJ's thing just shows that a lot of people need to get a life of their own. Aside from whether the abuse is racially motivated or not, the behaviour of some sections of our community leaves a lot to be desired, whatever their reasons.
1eyedtiger said:
This is a really dangerous stance. Racism does not require proof beyond reasonable doubt to be exposed. There needs to be a zero tolerance attitude toward prejudice. Not a 'Well that guy said something racist, but maybe he wasn't being honest' attitude.
If an indigenous kid in my class performed a cultural dance, and was then jeered by the rest of the group consistently, I wouldn't say, "Ah, they probably just think he's a sook, so it's fine. I haven't got a signed affidavit from them admitting that they are racists. So best to just jeer with them. "
