Re: Adam Goodes

[IanG]

Problem is the child didn't call him that, she didn't call him anything racist at all. She referenced his appearance, not his race,

So you completely ignore the dictionary definition posted in this thread.

 

[Freezer]

So you completely ignore the dictionary definition posted in this thread.

The dictionary of slang? Gospel, I'm sure.

 

[Rosy]

So you completely ignore the dictionary definition posted in this thread.

I can't believe what I've copped for admitting I'd never heard of the term used that way before. I understand now how it could be construed as a racist term.

None of the dictionaries in my house describe it as such. I haven't found an online dictionary that does. I found a dictionary that says ape can mean a large, uncouth person. I found an online list of the origins of racist terms. Ape doesn't get a mention.

There is no doubt Adam Goodes assumed there was a racist connotation in what the girl said. There is plenty of doubt that she knew it could be construed as a racist comment and intended it that way.

 

[mld]

So you completely ignore the dictionary definition posted in this thread.

Apparently it is a-okay for white people to abusively shout over the fence at a black person that the black person is sub-human.

 

[Rosy]

7. Is it racist to repeat a positive stereotype about people from a race, for example, 'All African-Americans are athletic' or 'Asian people are more intelligent'?
The first question I would ask and I think a culturally competent person should ask is, "Are all African Americans good athletes or are all Asian people more intelligent, how do I know that?" What assumptions are my statement based on? Individuals should assess where their views are coming from and try and make sure their comments and behaviours are framed appropriately. Being able to engage in honest self reflection is one of the key tools of a culturally competent person or organisation.

Adam Goodes was accused of being racist along those lines a few years ago.

 

[Rosy]

Apparently it is a-okay for white people to abusively shout over the fence at a black person that the black person is sub-human.

Has that happened?

 

[Rosy]

Judging by the heightened level of abuse Goodes is copping now, I imagine the soft *smile* option would have been keeping his mouth shut and his head down.

Like he has with players in the past and now Eddie McGuire.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Calling someone an ape is as racist as it gets, even I knew this even at a very young age.
Just because it's not on the internet doesn't mean it's not the case.
I've spoken to a few people about this and it's fairly obvious.

 

[Rosy]

Calling someone an ape is as racist as it gets, even I knew this even at a very young age.
Just because it's not on the internet doesn't mean it's not the case.
I've spoken to a few people about this and it's fairly obvious.

It can obviously be construed as racist. Someone who has never heard the term could intend it in a different way and shouldn't be assumed to be intended as racist. People have said Trent resembles a chimpanzee. Bobby Skilton has been mentioned in that regard. Are they being called sub-human?

There was a big kerfuffle on here a few years ago when someone took offence at the word gay being used. Nothing in the comment suggested it was a homophobic reference but one person chose to take it that way. I think sometimes people who have personal reasons to take exception at the use of words don't consider it's not all about them and words can have different meanings.

In my situation not having heard of it before is nothing to do with not being on the internet. I'd just never heard of it. Due to Adam Goodes' stand I now have. I dare say the girl has learned something too. I still reckon there's room for doubt that she is racist as some claim.

 

[IanG]

The dictionary of slang? Gospel, I'm sure.

Its an indicator of common usage

 

[IanG]

There is no doubt Adam Goodes assumed there was a racist connotation in what the girl said. There is plenty of doubt that she knew it could be construed as a racist comment and intended it that way.

That doesn't mean it isn't a racist comment. I can call an aboriginal a black (insert word of choice) without meaning it as racist but its still a racial slur.

 

[Rosy]

That doesn't mean it isn't a racist comment. I can call an aboriginal a black (insert word of choice) without meaning it as racist but its still a racial slur.

Insert (magic). Racist slur?

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

If Goodes shaved before the game do you think she would have not called him an ape? or if it was McVeigh who usually has a beard?

I know my answer.
She's just trying to play the innocent party.

 

[Rosy]

Unless the girl confesses she intended the slur in a racist way I couldn't possibly know her intentions. Fact is you couldn't either Jukes. She said her friend called Mumford an ape earlier on and the term just came into her head, she doesn't know why.

 

[kiwitiger]

I think the girl is a bit young to be branded racist , but you can still say something classed as a racist comment I guess,

We will never know her full intent ,

But when a dark skinned person is being called an ape , I would guess there is connections to the race and skin colour for the person to make the comment , but yeah there is some grey area,

I could say to an overweight person , hey pie eater , and argue that I wasnt having a go at their weight , just thought they might like pies , it had nothing to do with their weight

......... But I am a little surprised at the reaction all this has got

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Unless the girl confesses she intended the slur in a racist way I couldn't possibly know her intentions. Fact is you couldn't either Jukes. She said her friend called Mumford an ape earlier on and the term just came into her head, she doesn't know why.

Your opinion.
I'm not implying the teenager is racist....she's a bit young to be labeled that which would be unfair.
But her comment was racist everyday of the week.

 

[Rosy]

Your opinion.
I'm not implying the teenager is racist....she's a bit young to be labeled that which would be unfair.
But her comment was racist everyday of the week.

I was referring to your claim she was "just trying to play the innocent party".

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

If Goodes shaved before the game do you think she would have not called him an ape? or if it was McVeigh who usually has a beard?

I know my answer.
She's just trying to play the innocent party.

"All the kids at the school have been great. They've turned it into a bit of a joke and everyone's been calling each other ape."
- girl's mother

Is this "casual racism" referred to by O'Brien? Or just kids being kids?

 

[Tigersub]

"All the kids at the school have been great. They've turned it into a bit of a joke and everyone's been calling each other ape."
- girl's mother

Is this "casual racism" referred to by O'Brien? Or just kids being kids?

O'Brien is a fool, thinks he is the Dalai Lama or the next in line. Makes me laugh every time he opens his mouth with his so called worldly comments.

 

[brigadiertiger]

I bet you would say that to his face as well? The conviction of the internet warriors :rofl

Considering Goodes is about as soft as diarrhea it wouldn't be a problem unless of course you are a 13 year old girl.