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Harry said:
Culture is a direct result of on-field performances.

Harry on this point I agree with you to a point.

But I spent 2 and 1/2 hours at the Members Forum meeting last night and a large part of the evening was spent on the very issue of CULTURE.

The culture of our Club is a result of a variety of other things than just on field performances.
 
OK - then what is culture? Is it the perceived opinions of the supporters? Is it the opinions expressed by the supporters? Is it the way the board reacts to these opinions? I don't know. Its one of those intangibles we need not worry about.

Do you think the Brazilian soccer team cares about what others think about their culture? NO. They go through coaches like toilet paper untill they get SUCCESS. And they get it.

On the topic of Wallace - thats exactly why we need to try and lure him now, before the hawthorn job becomes available. I can't beleive people are saying they do not want Wallace as a coach. We would be very very fortunate if we can get him or anyone half as good as him.
 
hungry1 said:
G'day. I have just found this website which seems to be a well represented forum.

Hiya hungry1....Welcome to the site :)
....I hope you're still with us and haven't been shot down in the crossfire on this "positive" thread. :rollin
 
Harry said:
… if I can see that a coach is trying to implement an attacking game plan thats free flowing with momentum, thats exciting to watch, thats blooding in youngsters, even though we lose then I will give the coach 110% support.

I do not see this at richmond at the moment, mind you Frawely has had 4 years to do so.

Harry, I totally agree with you about the style of game we play and am equally frustrated at the lack of attack in our style of play. I've previously posted how I hate the negative stuff.

I don't know whether Danny will ever be a good coach. I'm just prepared to give him a fair and reasonable go, because, in the best interests of my footy Club, I feel I have to.

Harry said:
For all you frawely supporters please give evidence why he should stay, from a coaching and team perspective, not the usuall "RFC has a bad reputation of sacking coaches" argument. Thats irrelevant IMO.

Why is that irrelevant Harry? Because it defeats your argument?

It's the whole crux of the matter really. Getting rid of coaches has only served to cause some of the cultural problems that exist. But seeing as you think culture is irrelevant then I guess it's a moot point with you.

What if Wallace doesn't want to coach Richmond. What then? We'll get some other no name who has no credentials and unmercilessly bag him when he doesn't give us instant success, etc., etc., etc.
 
Can someone correct me if im wrong but werent frawley and malthouse signed for their respective clubs in the same year???? So how come malthouse has turned a side that werent worthy of playing in the VFL comp let alone the AFL into one of the top 4 teams!!!! Consistent performances!!!! Got rid of that losing old culture at magpies like brown, crosisca, williams, rocca etc!!! and brought in young hungry kids that are playing for each other and doing very well!!! Mind you when frawley took over as our coach we definately had the better playing list by a mile!!! So what has frawley done???? Hes taken us backwards instead of forwards!!!! Malthouses greatest ever move was changing collingwoods tactic of being so pro buckley!!! And that has been one of the main reasons of their turnaround!!!! Thats a coach!!!! Not frawley!!! Who wouldnt know what the heck a tactical switch meant!!!! Same years at different clubs and the results are there to be seen!!!!!!! So you can take your culture this and culture that but it all comes down to a coach that knows how to not only coach players but team structure!!! Sheedy has to be the biggest mistake the richmond football club has ever made!!!!!!!! Although i have already touched on this in previous threads just the fact that frawley went and hired loewe as part of his team shows the man is all for buddies!!! Seriously what could loewe possible offer richmond other than a losing attitude!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!
 
MC24 thats exactly right. IMO culture has nothing to do with it. Whats happened in the past is in the past. I don't care if we've sacked 3 coaches in a year - what people think of our culture doesn't worry me and shouldn't worry anyone.

We're not here to provide financial security to a nice potatoe farmer. My membership money is paid for success. And I could't give a rats if the footy media says that we're ruthless with our coaches - I quite like this.

It all comes down to PERFORMANCE and theres only 1 man responsible for that - the COACH. No one else. If he's not up to it, then give someone else a go. Simple as that.

You say that this approach will deter coaches from coming to us. It will only deter those potential coaches that are insecure about their coaching abilities. Trust me there are former coaches/assistant coaches/former players that are lining up to be a senior afl coach. Give someone else a go and if they don't perform - then someone else.
 
frawleyudud said:
Go MC24 tell me how good the DUD frawley is!!!!!

I have no idea how good a coach Danny is or will be FYD and I have never said otherwise.

I totally understand your frustration. I've said a lot of what you have said on other posts. It's not that I disagree with what you say, because you make a lot of sense and you are obviously pretty upset by our lack of success, like we all are.

While I agree with much of what you say, I just don't think that we can continue to get rid of coaches when they don't give us instant success. We keep getting rid of coaches and no coach with any credentials is going to want to come anywhere near our Club. Like Malthouse. He could have been coaching Richmond, but he didn't want to because of our reputation with coaches. So we have to be content with what we have and give people a go. Whether you or anybody else want to understand that or not is entirely up to the individual.
 
I cant believe that this post about positives has degenerated into a free for all frawley sacking feeding frenzy ;D
 
diggler said:
I cant believe that this post about positives has degenerated into a free for all frawley sacking feeding frenzy ;D

And without your help for once Diggles, ha. ;)
 
MC24

What you have to understand is this that until a coach comes along to richmond and says right bowden, tivendale, king, rogers, mills, vardy, biddiscombe and co you have had your chance now bugger off as its time to start a new generation of richmond players and rid the mediocre performances. Until that happens i am more than happy to have a new coach each year, anything that brings success or looks like we are heading that way!!!! Frawley gives me none of the above!!!! A coach must have the balls to turn around to a player and say listen here bowden, i dont care what the media say about you((like being likened to Hird)what a joke!!!!!) you will play were i say you will play and were ur best position is!!!! Not coz you got a bit of a name and start sooking saying but i want to play in the middle!!!!!! Thats what is lacking at richmond a coach with balls, not one that puts up with the players just to be one of the boys!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think ruined nick daffy's career and robbed richmond of one the best forward crumbers in the business - min 30-40 goals a year!!!! The coach!!!! Coz daffy got a bit of a name and decided he wants to play in the middle (when he clearly couldnt) and the coach was like well if daffy wants daffy gets!!! Wereas had he said no daffy i believe u are more valuable up forward next to the big blokes and if you dont like it you can play in the twos daffy would still be playing today and we would have been better for it!!!! That goes for many other players also!!!! At least Walls had some sort of game plan and tactical changes that he would put into effect game day(unfortunately the players at the time just couldnt cut it for him)!!! Frawley has nothing but SPUDS!!!!
 
If they cant lure Sheedy and Wallace back, give old swooper Northey a call. The only coach weve had in 20 years who was prepared to rebuild the list and the only coach who had us playing hard at the ball for 4 quarters.

Could someone please work out how many wooden spoons have these three stooges won combined in their careers?
Frawley + Loewe + Britain = mediocrity
 
Here's some positives.

We played okay despite our boon recruits in Johnson and Blumfield having average games.

Newman showed he can be an effective tagger in the backline.

Rodan got some experience in playing down back. Although i didn't agree with Frawley's move to put him there, it at least gave Rodan another perspective on the game, and hopefully he can be more accountable and man up when he moves back to the centre.

Kellaway and Gaspar did good jobs down back, killing their more fancied opponents.

Hall and Stafford did well in the ruck and Hall in particular looks like he has improved quite a bit from last year.

Zantuck looks to be the goods, given some more time on the paddock to get some stamina up and he should star.

Coughlan continued where he left off last year and should plug up the centre for Richmond for the next ten years.

Richardson's endeavour was good and at least he got his hands on the footy quite a bit. He'll never beat his mental demons but still has the ability to turn games, a rare quality.

I think we have proven that we can match it with alot of good sides, and our win/loss ratio will probably come down to how accurate we are in front of goal. We should have a shot of beating every team we play. (Yes even Brisbane. I wasn't that impressed with their showing agaisnt Essendon. Essendon were missing alot of players, and the umpires ended the game with the first quarter. I think down here particularly Richmond has a shot at dethroning them.)

Oh and did i forget to mention Wayne Campbell? Living proof that football is played between the ears. Not the biggest, not the strongest, not the quickest, not the flashiest, not the most talented, but out and out the best. I wonder if he will make the next Richmond team of the century. He was too good for the last one.
 
Why doesn't everyone go into the CHAT room to have a proper discussion in real-time. Much more convenient. I agree totally with Harry. Frawley is not up to it. It's not all about instant success. I can't remember the last time we played good, attacking, exciting football, win or lose. I don't mind if we lose a few, but its the way you lose. Our style of play is so negative, boring and easy to counter. Why just try to contain the opposition when we should actually be trying to 'beat' the opposition with attacking, team football. We're back to playing lazy, no running, kick it to contests football. This does not win games in the modern era. Maybe 20 years ago it would be effective, but not now.

Well done Harry, you're right on the ball. Keep 'em coming.

Go Tiges!!!
 
Frawelyudud u are SPOT ON..

Frawely is too concerned about being a nice guy and doesn't want to lose any buddies. Notice how many players sheedy has pissed off in his time.

Nothing else needs to be said. 8)
 
Gee John F without trying to be too much of a smart@ass you seem to have covered most of the field with the players you said did well!!!! So how did we lose so pathetically to a very undermanned collingwood????? There is no point if individual players do well and we sit there saying yeah but the positive was coughlan did well and rodan and ladadadada but still LOSE pathetically!!!! No there are no positives in losing(DONT GIVE ME THE FRAWLEY ATTITUDE)unless you are just very unlucky on the day and go down fighting hard!!!!! Frawley's qualities as a coach are lose by over 4-5 goals and say it was one our best performances!!!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!! The man is out!!! Like his coaching and playing buddies!!!! You have a look at our midfield of campbell, johnson, coughlan, rodan, blumfield, krakouer, and maybe hilton!!!! That is oozing with quality yet we still cant dominate a game!!!!! Someone like sheedy would have that combination as one of the best midfields in the competition!!!!
 
Mikee said:
Why doesn't everyone go into the CHAT room to have a proper discussion in real-time. Go Tiges!!!

I'm all for that, in there now but it's looking a bit lonely, ha.
It would be good to arrange a time and day for a chat to discuss what's happening at the club.
Gee, if it's Monday night, hopefully we can discuss a good win as well. :)
Go Tiges!
 
Harry said:
MC24 thats exactly right. IMO culture has nothing to do with it. Whats happened in the past is in the past. I don't care if we've sacked 3 coaches in a year - what people think of our culture doesn't worry me and shouldn't worry anyone.

We're not here to provide financial security to a nice potatoe farmer. My membership money is paid for success. And I could't give a rats if the footy media says that we're ruthless with our coaches - I quite like this.

It should when experienced top and even rookie coaches won't have a bar of the Richmond coaching position because of our reputation/culture.
Given the salary cap doesn't apply to the coaching staff, the number of coaches who want to coach AFL eventually and the fact we have the money to pay, it is shameful we are in this position and a sad reflection on our great club.

Harry said:
It all comes down to PERFORMANCE and theres only 1 man responsible for that - the COACH. No one else. If he's not up to it, then give someone else a go. Simple as that.

That's worked well for us over the last 20 years ::). Get new coach - demand success in 2-3 years - not sustained - sack coach - get new coach..etc. There's more to a team's performance than just the coach.
 
Frawleydud, without wanting to be too much of a smartass, I mentioned ten players who did well. We also had ten that didn't do so well.

But I think you are being too harsh in your assessment mate. Richmond played good enough to beat Collingwood last friday, that is a fact. We lost because they kicked some assy goals and we didn't convert when we had the opportunity.

If you want to talk about being undermanned, ahh, hello did you notice that we were missing Ottens, Holland, Chaffey, Krakouer and had quite a few underdone blokes?

I'll be the first to admit that some of the guys didn't play well. But i think calls to sack Frawley are a bit premature at this stage. I thought he did some good and bad moves on Friday, but we seem to ignore the good and go right for the jugular whenever something goes wrong. Why not praise Frawley for his move of Newman on Didak? Why not praise him for his moves of Kellaway and Gaspar on Rocca and Tarrant? Why not praise him for the plan that got us more inside fifties and opportunities than Collingwood had?

Yes he did some silly *smile* too, no doubt, quite a few silly things. But this thread was originally about positives. So that's why i gave the positives. Sorry for sticking to the purpose of the thread. Maybe if we did a post about negatives we'd have nothing but positive things to say. Go figure.
 
frawleyudud said:
MC24

What you have to understand is this ...

FYD, what you have to understand is that the coach you want is not going to come along. Are you reading and seeing what is being said?

I agree with much of what you say, as I stated previously, but WE CANNOT GET THE COACH YOU WANT. Because of our record with coaches. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I agree with giving young players a go and having an attacking style of play, etc., etc.

But we might as well stick with what we've got than go with yet another coach and start all over again for the umpteenth time. What's the difference between giving Danny a go and getting another unproven coach who we will end up bagging anyway, because as soon as we get on a losing streak he's no good?

Danny will have to eventually realise that negative football does not make for good football or a good football team. If and when Greg Miller and/or the Club determines that he is not going to change things for the better then they have every right to appoint someone else. In the meantime, we could try to deal with the situation as it is.

If for no other reason, for the sake of our own sanity.

Love your passion FYD. :)