funny you should say about plan a,b.s etc.how many plans did wallace have at the bulldogs? ONE.basketball stylefrawleyudud said:
and how far did he get?no premiership.
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and how far did he get?no premiership.
G'day. I have just found this website which seems to be a well represented forum. I am suprised to hear so much negativity however and feel that everyone just needs to chill a bit and wait and see how the next few weeks go.
Admittedly it hasn't been a great start however we have some winable games coming up and hopefully things look a little better by Round 5.
Talking about positives, how about the centre clearances against the Pies. We were ranked 16th last year but flogged them out of the centre last Friday. Surely this is a good sign for things to come. If we had a better system up forward and better conversion we may well have beaten last years grand finalist by a good margin. Hopefully Rodan will be sitting on Richo this weekend and can win some easy ball.
Admittedly it hasn't been a great start however we have some winable games coming up and hopefully things look a little better by Round 5.
Talking about positives, how about the centre clearances against the Pies. We were ranked 16th last year but flogged them out of the centre last Friday. Surely this is a good sign for things to come. If we had a better system up forward and better conversion we may well have beaten last years grand finalist by a good margin. Hopefully Rodan will be sitting on Richo this weekend and can win some easy ball.
frawleyudud said:
If you consider that making the finals in 2001 was nothing FYD then I guess he has done nothing in his time at Richmond (even though we've only had two finals appearances in 20 years).
FYD, all you see is what is happening now. Therefore, everyone is a dud, according to you. I dispute that. I actually think we have some very good players, we're just not getting the best out of them.
Not gonna make much difference who we bring in if we don't change the culture at the Club FYD. And no game plan, no matter how good, is gonna work until we do. Simple as that. Change that and you'll see a difference in the players you think are duds. May turn out that some just will never make it, but I doubt that they can all be duds, despite what you may think.
But it takes a lot more than just good coaching to change things. You don't want a coach, you want a magician.
Watch how Denis Pagan goes at Carlton this season. It's acknowledged that he's more than a good coach. Some people might expect that he's going to magically make it happen at Carlton over night. I'm not going to say he can't, but I'd expect it's going to take some time.
Whoever is coaching, it's still going to take time to get things right. Danny's still new at the coaching caper and learning all the time. I think he's entitled to make mistakes, like we all are. Unless someone such as Greg Miller determines that he is not the right person for the job, then it might be an idea to give people a go.
Here is a positive
Wayne "Soon to be 5 times b&f winner" Campbell
Far and away the best thing to come out of the Richmond Football Club in the last 20 years.
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Wayne "Soon to be 5 times b&f winner" Campbell
Far and away the best thing to come out of the Richmond Football Club in the last 20 years.
;D
People say what has Wallace done - he couldn't win them a premiership. Wallace got them to the finals year in year out - a team with a mediocre playing list and weak supporter base. Also he delayed their imminent extinction as an afl club. Thats what Wallace has done.
Once again im not saying every player is a dud at richmond but when you have a look at players like rogers, king, tivendale, houlihan, bowden, hyde, biddiscombe, mills etc, these guys have been there for a minimum of 4 years and have done absolutely nothing but remain on the list and get game time!!!! Why not give some of the young kids a go instead of playing duds week in week out!!!! Why shouldnt mcgrath get a game since our forward line is so weak at the moment??? Why bring in players like mills who have had their chance to step up but obviously cant??!!! So mc24 while danny goes about learning how to coach we should sit back and let him turn our team into a bunch of no hopers while he tries to become a coach!!! You tell me when was the last time frawley made a move during a game when we were getting beaten that turned it around and won it for us???? Never!!!! He will continue to play his dud buddies and not give the youngsters a chance so we can look forward!!! In drafting ready made players like nichols and fleming shows me he wants a quick fi that will make him look good and not worry about the future of richmond!!! Id rather see a young kid (who will bust his guts)make a mistake week in week out and lose rather than have rogers turn over every one of his disposals week in week out, and see joel bowden pull out of a contest week in week out!!!! So dont tell me that frawley makes mistakes and that he will be some sort of supercoach coz the guy is an absolute dud!!!! Give the young kids a go and get rid of that losing culture!!!!! Our team on paper with a few changes is as good as any other barring brisbane!!!! We only need someone that can bloody coach!!!! One of frawleys typical coaching procedures - Richo misses 1 then 2 sitters move the guy outside the 50mtrs!!!! He was killing them in every other way so why sap his and the teams confidence when a simple move to CHF were he wouldve absolutely killed TEX WALKER THE DUD and provided the team with many scoring opportunities!!! But NOOOO lets leave richo in the goal sqaure so he can continue missing easy goals and shoor his confidence while also killing the team confidence after they have done the hard work to get the ball there!!!!! Yeah Richo should have converted but hes that type of player misses one misses all, kicks one kicks all!!!! Go MC24 tell me how good the DUD frawley is!!!!! NOT!!!
Harry said:
He might have done that Harry, but did he ensure short term or long term benefits for the Club? That is the real test of the contribution he made to the Club.
What else he might have done is leave the Club when this reputation is on a high. Makes him more attractive to other Clubs.
Prior to last season, Bulldogs supporters would ring talkback radio complaining about the lack of opportunities given to young players. Wallace started giving them a go last season and when things looked good for him, he up and leaves. If I were a cynic, I could say that it sounds a bit like Northey to me.
I don't necessarily see Wallace as someone who is prepared to roll his sleeves up and start from scratch. Coaching Richmond is not a cushy job. It needs someone who is prepared to have his coaching ability questioned and at the same time have enough faith in himself to do the job.
Is Terry Wallace such a coach? I don't have a definitive answer to that question and probably no one has. I just have my doubts and that's just my personal opinion, doesn't make me right.
Positives - Newman, Gas, Kella, Campbo, Coughlan to name a few.
Good rant FD, my disapointment with Danny is that he will let the team play with no restrictions and give the young fellas a go when all is lost, like last year.
Play Shultz, Nicholls, McGrath etc..why waste time with *smile* kickers like King Rogers and the worst player on an AFL list Andrew Mills.
Good rant FD, my disapointment with Danny is that he will let the team play with no restrictions and give the young fellas a go when all is lost, like last year.
Play Shultz, Nicholls, McGrath etc..why waste time with *smile* kickers like King Rogers and the worst player on an AFL list Andrew Mills.
Harry said:
Yes, the coach has a responsibility in this department, but first the Club needs to realise what needs to be done or changed to improve things. With the appointment of Greg Miller, I think the Club has finally realised that the culture needs changing. Until we change that then no coach is going to get the best out of this or any other team.
If people don't want to understand this then there is nothing I or anybody can say that will convince you otherwise.
Wallace is the right man for the job IMO because he will install an attacking game plan, with creativity and flair, something we haven't seen in ages, something that will attract more people to the games, something that will attract more members.
I don't mind conceding goals as long as we kick more than the opposition. Frawely seems to be too worried about conceding goals.
MC24 says that richmond needs someone who is prepared to have his coaching ability questioned. "I would have thought" that that goes for every club and every coach.
People may say that at the end of the day results are all that count, however if I can see that a coach is trying to implement an attacking game plan thats free flowing with momentum, thats exciting to watch, thats blooding in youngsters, even though we lose then I will give the coach 110% support.
I do not see this at richmond at the moment, mind you Frawely has had 4 years to do so.
I beleive I have given enough evidence why frawely should go. For all you frawely supporters please give evidence why he should stay, from a coaching and team perspective, not the usuall "RFC has a bad reputation of sacking coaches" argument. Thats irrelevant IMO.
I don't mind conceding goals as long as we kick more than the opposition. Frawely seems to be too worried about conceding goals.
MC24 says that richmond needs someone who is prepared to have his coaching ability questioned. "I would have thought" that that goes for every club and every coach.
People may say that at the end of the day results are all that count, however if I can see that a coach is trying to implement an attacking game plan thats free flowing with momentum, thats exciting to watch, thats blooding in youngsters, even though we lose then I will give the coach 110% support.
I do not see this at richmond at the moment, mind you Frawely has had 4 years to do so.
I beleive I have given enough evidence why frawely should go. For all you frawely supporters please give evidence why he should stay, from a coaching and team perspective, not the usuall "RFC has a bad reputation of sacking coaches" argument. Thats irrelevant IMO.
MC24, no dsrespect, but what has culture got to do with anything. What's culture got to do with developing players. On the training track and on game day its only the players and the coach involved. If the coach hasn't got 100% control then he is no coach.
Culture is overated IMO, a scapegoat. MC24 are you saying we need to sack the entire board along with the caoching staff. If thats what your'e saying then I'll go along with it.
Culture is overated IMO, a scapegoat. MC24 are you saying we need to sack the entire board along with the caoching staff. If thats what your'e saying then I'll go along with it.
Harry said:
Unfortunately Harry when it comes to Richmond culture has alot to do with it.
Our perceived culture dictates that when things aren't going well - we sack coaches. We don't hold players out to be accountable.We blame their lamentable performances solely on the coaches not the individual players. Our perceived culture has directly impacted on the posts on this forum over the past week after a round 1 loss. Other teams who played even more poorly than Richmond did have not the intense scrutiny that we have. Where did it come from? From our supporters because that is part of the culture. But as I think Gustiger12 posted on another thread we are seen to be feral - that it is part of the perceived culture.
I don't use the "we always sack the coaches" line as an excuse Harry. I have said this numerous times before and I will say it again. The culture of sacking coaches has created a bigger problem. You want a quality, experienced coach - they wont touch us Harry because we constantly sack coaches.
As for Terry Wallace - lets play this one out. End of the season 2 jobs avaiable. Which job do you think he would to take Harry - the Hawthorn or the Richmond one??? The prodigal son goes home and where are we then?
Koalalill - Culture is a direct result of on-field performances. If you are successful and show some initiative on game day then coaches will not be scrutinised. Lets stop making excuses for a coach that obviously can't coach.
You also say that we don't hold players to be accountable. It's not the boards responsibility nor is it the responsibility of anyone but the COACH to hold the players responsible for poor performances. Is there anything about this concept that people don't understand?
When frawely consistently plays his buddies that don't perform then its only his fault - no-one else but him. Not the board, not the supporters, not the CULTURE.
Here's hoping that we don't hear that its only rnd 2 and that we shouldn't worry come sunday night.
You also say that we don't hold players to be accountable. It's not the boards responsibility nor is it the responsibility of anyone but the COACH to hold the players responsible for poor performances. Is there anything about this concept that people don't understand?
When frawely consistently plays his buddies that don't perform then its only his fault - no-one else but him. Not the board, not the supporters, not the CULTURE.
Here's hoping that we don't hear that its only rnd 2 and that we shouldn't worry come sunday night.
Koalalill - Culture is a direct result of on-field performances. If you are successful and show some initiative on game day then coaches will not be scrutinised. Lets stop making excuses for a coach that obviously can't coach.
You also say that we don't hold players to be accountable. It's not the boards responsibility nor is it the responsibility of anyone but the COACH to hold the players responsible for poor performances. Is there anything about this concept that people don't understand?
When frawely consistently plays his buddies that don't perform then its only his fault - no-one else but him. Not the board, not the supporters, not the CULTURE.
Here's hoping that we don't hear that its only rnd 2 and that we shouldn't worry come sunday night.
You also say that we don't hold players to be accountable. It's not the boards responsibility nor is it the responsibility of anyone but the COACH to hold the players responsible for poor performances. Is there anything about this concept that people don't understand?
When frawely consistently plays his buddies that don't perform then its only his fault - no-one else but him. Not the board, not the supporters, not the CULTURE.
Here's hoping that we don't hear that its only rnd 2 and that we shouldn't worry come sunday night.
Harry said:
None taken Harry. See KL's response. I think it's pretty much covered there. Thanks KL.
Harry said:
Whether or not you think it's overrated Harry is irrelevant really. It is relevant, whether you agree with it or not. If you don't want to see that, I can't make you.
Harry said:
Where oh where did I say that? Have I said that the appointment of Greg Miller shows that the Club is serious about changing things at the Club? Does that imply that I reckon we should sack the lot of them? I don't think so.
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