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Pick 12 discussion.

Re: Looks like Pick 10

DirtyDogTiger said:
Is there a player around the 11 mark who who actually take a position away from our current guys?
If we get another mid at 11 of the calibre of Vlas or Ellis, then by mid year yeah I reckon they will add to the team in their first year. I mean Vlas was a standout in our loosing final, another player of his standard would be outstanding (and I reckon Vlas plays like a quick running player even if he is not spoken of as having elite speed).

From all reports there will be some pretty good players there at our pick and our recent history is that we are now getting them up to speed pretty quickly.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

bullus_hit said:
Just went over the footage for both Sheed & Taylor so I thought I might do a bit of an in depth analysis on both players.

Dom Sheed

There's no denying that Sheed is as cool as a cucumber when delivering by foot. At the champs his goal-kicking was particularly notable in that he managed to showcase a fine array of party tricks - snaps from the boundary, long bombs from on the 50metre line (under pressure) and some calm and composed set shots when the heat was on. In general play he is as a methodical as a surgeon, he creates space and usually sets up the play like a 5-Star general. As far as decision-making is concerned, Sheed is close to being top of the class, whether it be short kicking to advantage, or kicking long under immense pressure. Sheed has been likened to Simon Black and it's easy to see why - much like Black he can hang on to the ball and spot up a target using his outstanding peripheral vision, this usually results in a 25-35 metre pass, but he overwhelmingly finds his mark, setting up his team for a forward thrust or a shot on goal. At the Champs he lead the way for inside 50's and was instrumental in taking WA to the final.

If there is any criticism to be leveled at Sheed, it's that he is particularly reliant on his left shoe. As good as he is at finding space, it's an area which may lead to a veneer of predictability. This could become an issue at the highest level if opponents begin to corral and box him in as they anticipate his first move. He doesn't possess huge break-away pace so he may find himself unable to pierce a strongly manned defence. However he does possess excellent agility so more often than not, he'll be able to find a man in a neutral to marginally offensive position. It's for this reason he may be considered as a good kick but one who may be lacking in some hurt factor.

Sheed thoroughly deserves his first round billing and shows all the hallmarks of an AFL quality player. His inside game is top notch, maybe not to the level of Matt Crouch, but he is more than capable of winning clearances and utilising effective delivery from the ruckman. At WAFL level, he’s adopted a more outside role as he comes to grips with the bigger bodies, but has still managed to moderately influence games with an average of 14 possessions over 4 matches.

Defensively, Sheed is still a work in progress. At the u/18 carnival, at Colts level and in the WAFL, he has averaged just one tackle a game. Whilst one shouldn’t place overwhelming emphasis on this weakness, it still remains an area that needs work. Given that Sheed doesn’t represent a player whose flexibility would be considered a selling point, he’ll need lift his defensive work in order to break into any established midfield. At a lowly club such as Melbourne, he would be guaranteed an early AFL debut, but any top-end club may prefer to hold him back as he adds another dimension to an already impressive arsenal.

From a leadership perspective, Sheed gains top marks. He’s the captain of WA so it should be no surprise that he’s considered a perfect candidate for an AFL career, but this equates to little unless it is backed up by actions on the field. Walking away as a Larke medalist is an emphatic way to stamp one’s leadership credentials.

Aerobically and overall fitness levels can also been seen as a plus for Sheed. He can already run out games and his sprint times would have alleviated any fears that he’s a standard plodder. His body type also looks well suited to any rigorous weight regime.

As Francis Jackson weighs up the merits of Dom Sheed, he’ll no doubt be ticking off most of the critical boxes for AFL adaptability. Sheed is almost certain to be drafted in the first round because he is a safe as houses when it comes to a lengthy career. Just how high he can go will be at the forefront of discussions. I’m tipping that Sheed will form part of any solid midfield but may fall a little short of becoming an absolute game-breaker. If he can improve his defensive side and develop a bit more of an attacking mindset, then we could see the next Simon Black. Otherwise he’ll be the 4th or 5th ranked midfielder in a top four quality side.


Lewis Taylor

Lewis Taylor is as genuine a rover as you’re likely to see in this year’s draft class. He’s short and stocky and has the zippiness of a Dale Weightman in his hey-day. This largely comes down to his terrific burst of speed from a stationary position. Taylor is the guy who will suddenly emerge from an ugly scrum and dart away, usually with an intention to bounce his way down the field and into forward 50. He might be pint sized but he’s also strong and agile, and is genuinely dual-sided making him a very dangerous proposition around goals. Many including Taylor himself, liken his game style to Boomer Harvey, and I certainly have to agree on that front.

When analyzing Taylor’s skill set, it’s important to judge him from what a 173cm can feasibly accomplish, and not what he may deliver if he was 2 inches taller. It’s clear that smalls often get the cold shoulder but there’s still a role at AFL level if you’re good enough. Luke Dahlhaus, Dion Prestia, Devon Smith, Nathan Hrovat & Ben Kennedy all made and impression in their first year and I would rank Taylor ahead of all those guys barring Prestia.

Taylor’s main strengths lie in his tenacious desire to win contested possession and win clearances in heavy congestion. He does it with so much regularity that it would seem a given that he could take this game to the next level. He was the TAC player of the year on the back of 7 games of 30+ disposals, and he backed that up at the u/18’s carnival with AA honours and a 24 possession average. His disposal efficiency playing for Vic Country was exceptional coming in at 78% and his kicking efficiency throughout the season has remained in the high 60’s.

Looking at potential scoreboard pressure, I think Taylor could excel in the role of forward pocket and crumbing rover. His 2013 numbers were a little down from the previous year but this was in part, due to fulfilling his duties further up the ground. Despite this, all the attributes are there for him to become a viable goal kicker. He produced a ripping dribbling goal at the carnival and in 2012 averaged over a goal a match at TAC level. Coaches looking to blood him in 2014 would recognize his strong ability to mop up from spillages and fire from both pins. His ability to apply defensive pressure may be a work in progress but he still averages 2 tackles a game and has shown he can produce big performances such as his 7 tackle game against Oakleigh Charges.

Despite his excellent kicking credentials, Taylor could still improve his decision-making when starved of room to move. He will often just attempt a quick kick away instead of measuring his options with a little more composure. In situations where he does create an opening and burst through the lines, his decision-making is generally outstanding and whether it be short or long, his kicks usually find their target.

If the Richmond Football Club are serious about their want of a genuine goal-kicking rover then they need look no further than Lewis Taylor. He’s a club and state captain, a fearless competitor and a player who possesses explosive pace to go with all his other fine attributes. If Francis Jackson decides to go down a different path, I don’t expect him to slide beyond Geelong who have an intimate knowledge of the Geelong Falcon captain. Michael Turner has put him on par with Joel Selwood at an equivalent age and Kevin Sheehan has labeled him Brent Harvey’s heir apparent. Fine praise indeed.

Good work Bully don't disagree with either of those write ups besides the likely hood of both becoming the models that you outlined. Brent Harvey is the greatest little man ever. It's a huge ask for Taylor to become that. I think Sheed is a Scott Pendlebury type. And I think Sheed is more dual sided than you think. He can be a little Chimpish with his work in traffic.
I would rate Sheed the perfect fit to finish off the centre square mids. Not anti Taylor at all but tell me this, With one pick inside 30 would you go extra small or take the conventional mid? Good discussion.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

SCOOP said:
Good work Bully don't disagree with either of those write ups besides the likely hood of both becoming the models that you outlined. Brent Harvey is the greatest little man ever. It's a huge ask for Taylor to become that. I think Sheed is a Scott Pendlebury type. And I think Sheed is more dual sided than you think. He can be a little Chimpish with his work in traffic.
I would rate Sheed the perfect fit to finish off the centre square mids. Not anti Taylor at all but tell me this, With one pick inside 30 would you go extra small or take the conventional mid? Good discussion.

Where Taylor has the edge is versatility, he could take on the role small forward, particularly in his first couple of years. His reading of the play is quite exceptional and it's not uncommon to see him hit packs at pace and emerge with the pill. Despite Sheed's outstanding carnival as a goal kicker, I'm still not convinced he will hurt on the scoreboard like he did playing for WA. It's always good to see players rise to the challenge, and maybe this will be a sign of things to come, but his 4 goal performance has been the exception rather than the rule.

As for the player comparisons, I certainly wouldn't want to put labels on anyone but at the very least, Taylor would be a more than adequate replacement for an aging Foley. Sheed would also be a welcome addition, but I personally think our emphasis should be on securing that elusive forward pocket/rover.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

bullus_hit said:
Just went over the footage for both Sheed & Taylor so I thought I might do a bit of an in depth analysis on both players.

Dom Sheed

There's no denying that Sheed is as cool as a cucumber when delivering by foot. At the champs his goal-kicking was particularly notable in that he managed to showcase a fine array of party tricks - snaps from the boundary, long bombs from on the 50metre line (under pressure) and some calm and composed set shots when the heat was on. In general play he is as a methodical as a surgeon, he creates space and usually sets up the play like a 5-Star general. As far as decision-making is concerned, Sheed is close to being top of the class, whether it be short kicking to advantage, or kicking long under immense pressure. Sheed has been likened to Simon Black and it's easy to see why - much like Black he can hang on to the ball and spot up a target using his outstanding peripheral vision, this usually results in a 25-35 metre pass, but he overwhelmingly finds his mark, setting up his team for a forward thrust or a shot on goal. At the Champs he lead the way for inside 50's and was instrumental in taking WA to the final.

If there is any criticism to be leveled at Sheed, it's that he is particularly reliant on his left shoe. As good as he is at finding space, it's an area which may lead to a veneer of predictability. This could become an issue at the highest level if opponents begin to corral and box him in as they anticipate his first move. He doesn't possess huge break-away pace so he may find himself unable to pierce a strongly manned defence. However he does possess excellent agility so more often than not, he'll be able to find a man in a neutral to marginally offensive position. It's for this reason he may be considered as a good kick but one who may be lacking in some hurt factor.

Sheed thoroughly deserves his first round billing and shows all the hallmarks of an AFL quality player. His inside game is top notch, maybe not to the level of Matt Crouch, but he is more than capable of winning clearances and utilising effective delivery from the ruckman. At WAFL level, he’s adopted a more outside role as he comes to grips with the bigger bodies, but has still managed to moderately influence games with an average of 14 possessions over 4 matches.

Defensively, Sheed is still a work in progress. At the u/18 carnival, at Colts level and in the WAFL, he has averaged just one tackle a game. Whilst one shouldn’t place overwhelming emphasis on this weakness, it still remains an area that needs work. Given that Sheed doesn’t represent a player whose flexibility would be considered a selling point, he’ll need lift his defensive work in order to break into any established midfield. At a lowly club such as Melbourne, he would be guaranteed an early AFL debut, but any top-end club may prefer to hold him back as he adds another dimension to an already impressive arsenal.

From a leadership perspective, Sheed gains top marks. He’s the captain of WA so it should be no surprise that he’s considered a perfect candidate for an AFL career, but this equates to little unless it is backed up by actions on the field. Walking away as a Larke medalist is an emphatic way to stamp one’s leadership credentials.

Aerobically and overall fitness levels can also been seen as a plus for Sheed. He can already run out games and his sprint times would have alleviated any fears that he’s a standard plodder. His body type also looks well suited to any rigorous weight regime.

As Francis Jackson weighs up the merits of Dom Sheed, he’ll no doubt be ticking off most of the critical boxes for AFL adaptability. Sheed is almost certain to be drafted in the first round because he is a safe as houses when it comes to a lengthy career. Just how high he can go will be at the forefront of discussions. I’m tipping that Sheed will form part of any solid midfield but may fall a little short of becoming an absolute game-breaker. If he can improve his defensive side and develop a bit more of an attacking mindset, then we could see the next Simon Black. Otherwise he’ll be the 4th or 5th ranked midfielder in a top four quality side.


Lewis Taylor

Lewis Taylor is as genuine a rover as you’re likely to see in this year’s draft class. He’s short and stocky and has the zippiness of a Dale Weightman in his hey-day. This largely comes down to his terrific burst of speed from a stationary position. Taylor is the guy who will suddenly emerge from an ugly scrum and dart away, usually with an intention to bounce his way down the field and into forward 50. He might be pint sized but he’s also strong and agile, and is genuinely dual-sided making him a very dangerous proposition around goals. Many including Taylor himself, liken his game style to Boomer Harvey, and I certainly have to agree on that front.

When analyzing Taylor’s skill set, it’s important to judge him from what a 173cm can feasibly accomplish, and not what he may deliver if he was 2 inches taller. It’s clear that smalls often get the cold shoulder but there’s still a role at AFL level if you’re good enough. Luke Dahlhaus, Dion Prestia, Devon Smith, Nathan Hrovat & Ben Kennedy all made and impression in their first year and I would rank Taylor ahead of all those guys barring Prestia.

Taylor’s main strengths lie in his tenacious desire to win contested possession and win clearances in heavy congestion. He does it with so much regularity that it would seem a given that he could take this game to the next level. He was the TAC player of the year on the back of 7 games of 30+ disposals, and he backed that up at the u/18’s carnival with AA honours and a 24 possession average. His disposal efficiency playing for Vic Country was exceptional coming in at 78% and his kicking efficiency throughout the season has remained in the high 60’s.

Looking at potential scoreboard pressure, I think Taylor could excel in the role of forward pocket and crumbing rover. His 2013 numbers were a little down from the previous year but this was in part, due to fulfilling his duties further up the ground. Despite this, all the attributes are there for him to become a viable goal kicker. He produced a ripping dribbling goal at the carnival and in 2012 averaged over a goal a match at TAC level. Coaches looking to blood him in 2014 would recognize his strong ability to mop up from spillages and fire from both pins. His ability to apply defensive pressure may be a work in progress but he still averages 2 tackles a game and has shown he can produce big performances such as his 7 tackle game against Oakleigh Charges.

Despite his excellent kicking credentials, Taylor could still improve his decision-making when starved of room to move. He will often just attempt a quick kick away instead of measuring his options with a little more composure. In situations where he does create an opening and burst through the lines, his decision-making is generally outstanding and whether it be short or long, his kicks usually find their target.

If the Richmond Football Club are serious about their want of a genuine goal-kicking rover then they need look no further than Lewis Taylor. He’s a club and state captain, a fearless competitor and a player who possesses explosive pace to go with all his other fine attributes. If Francis Jackson decides to go down a different path, I don’t expect him to slide beyond Geelong who have an intimate knowledge of the Geelong Falcon captain. Michael Turner has put him on par with Joel Selwood at an equivalent age and Kevin Sheehan has labeled him Brent Harvey’s heir apparent. Fine praise indeed.

Tigers of Old said:
Enjoying your work bully. Cheers.
x 2

Really enjoyable post, bully.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

Don Fraser said:
Streak - have you seen the little boy Tom Hughes at Swan Districts colts? From up around the Pilbara area I think and as hard as a cats head.

From Newman I believe.

Did see Swans play a game in the colts this season, but can't say I noticed him.

Don't know much about him, but have heard he is a real tackling machine.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

bullus_hit said:
Where Taylor has the edge is versatility, he could take on the role small forward, particularly in his first couple of years. His reading of the play is quite exceptional and it's not uncommon to see him hit packs at pace and emerge with the pill. Despite Sheed's outstanding carnival as a goal kicker, I'm still not convinced he will hurt on the scoreboard like he did playing for WA. It's always good to see players rise to the challenge, and maybe this will be a sign of things to come, but his 4 goal performance has been the exception rather than the rule.

As for the player comparisons, I certainly wouldn't want to put labels on anyone but at the very least, Taylor would be a more than adequate replacement for an aging Foley. Sheed would also be a welcome addition, but I personally think our emphasis should be on securing that elusive forward pocket/rover.

Not sure Bully. Don't think Taylor has the defensive game to be a small forward. But your point on reading the ball off the pack at pace is valid. I almost think that's his biggest weapon.

On Sheed, I see him taking the Dayne Beams rate of development. Starting at half forward before becoming a full time on ballers. And with White going we need half forwards who can play on ball, that's the perfect fit for Sheed and us.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

I'm no expert on the kids but Sheed looked AFL ready. Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing a significant part of the season playing AFL and not state league.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

Similar to Vlastuin last year we have identified who we want.

Word has it that it will be out of either Salem or Lennon on who we will pick. Lennon being the first preference but unlikely to fall to our pick.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

Smoking Aces said:
Similar to Vlastuin last year we have identified who we want.

Word has it that it will be out of either Salem or Lennon on who we will pick. Lennon being the first preference but unlikely to fall to our pick.

Any idea on our third choice?
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

Coburgtiger said:
I like Salem, but will he drop to our pick?

This is my concern too, I think we need a contingency in the event both Lennon & Salem are off the table. Collingwood having a compo pick might just nudge us out of calculations.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

Still too early to guess FJ's pick if you ask me. We normally don't get a sniff until a couple of days before.

I remember this far out we had every man and his dog whispering that we were getting Polec a couple of years ago.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

bullus_hit said:
This is my concern too, I think we need a contingency in the event both Lennon & Salem are off the table. Collingwood having a compo pick might just nudge us out of calculations.

I reckon Matt Crouch. And it would be good get. He replaces Tuck and will be better than Tuck in the long run.

Glad that Lennon is in the frame. I would love Sheed to fall but I don't see it happening. Not as sold on Salem as others. Don't think he will be a bust but not sure how good he can be in the long run.
 
Re: Looks like Pick 10

Baloo said:
Still too early to guess FJ's pick if you ask me. We normally don't get a sniff until a couple of days before.

I remember this far out we had every man and his dog whispering that we were getting Polec a couple of years ago.

Vlas, Conca and Ellis were all out being floated by this time. If Lennon and Salem are our first two, prepare.