Palestine and Israel

[Sintiger]

We shouldn't be talking about who controls what border to allow aid in. How about we stop the war !!!

I've said it 100 times, this aim of Israel to "destroy Hamas" is fools gold. If one group goes then another one will start and until the reason they exist is solved that cycle will continue.

 

[Willo]

We shouldn't be talking about who controls what border to allow aid in.

Shouldnt but it’s relevant if people want to mention how many are starving.

How about we stop the war !!!

Good idea

I've said it 100 times, this aim of Israel to "destroy Hamas" is fools gold.

Yes, it’s in the Palestinians DNA and taught from an early age. 5th generation of victim mentality will do that

If one group goes then another one will start and until the reason they exist is solved that cycle will continue.

True.
But in the meantime how about they release the innocent kidnapped victims. That’s only prolonging the issue. Israel won’t stop until those people are released. Neither should they or any other country that happened to.
Hamas could release them anytime they choose. The balls in their court, they started this, they’re prolonging it, they could end it.

There‘s no way Israel could end anything while its people are still held captive. Nor should they.
There might be a pause, doubt a ceasefire if the kidnapped aren’t released. Then there’s more to be done if they aren’t.

 

[Sintiger]

Shouldnt but it’s relevant if people want to mention how many are starving.

Good idea

Yes, it’s in the Palestinians DNA and taught from an early age. 5th generation of victim mentality will do that

True.
But in the meantime how about they release the innocent kidnapped victims. That’s only prolonging the issue. Israel won’t stop until those people are released. Neither should they or any other country that happened to.
Hamas could release them anytime they choose. The balls in their court, they started this, they’re prolonging it, they could end it.

There‘s no way Israel could end anything while its people are still held captive. Nor should they.
There might be a pause, doubt a ceasefire if the kidnapped aren’t released. Then there’s more to be done if they aren’t.

Here we go again

Shouldnt but it’s relevant if people want to mention how many are starving.
- Israel controls the Gaza side of that part of the border. Israel has the power to allow people to be fed. Of course even when the food is in Israel those delivering it are not safe

Good idea
- Glad you agree

Yes, it’s in the Palestinians DNA and taught from an early age. 5th generation of victim mentality will do that
- I wonder why? Give them hope and it will change, end the siege and the occupation. Take away hope and people will fight back. They have a victim mentality because they are victims

True.
But in the meantime how about they release the innocent kidnapped victims. That’s only prolonging the issue. Israel won’t stop until those people are released. Neither should they or any other country that happened to.
- They should as should israel release the 2500 palestinian hostages they have illegally in their jails

Hamas could release them anytime they choose. The balls in their court, they started this, they’re prolonging it, they could end it.
- no, Hamas has already offered to release all hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire which was rejected by Israel, that's why the last Qatar led proposal fell apart. They offered temporary only
- They started this phase of the conflict, the real conflict has been going since 1948

There‘s no way Israel could end anything while its people are still held captive. Nor should they.
-There is no way Palestinians should stop struggling for recognition and their statehood whilst their land is being occupied , nor should they.

There might be a pause, doubt a ceasefire if the kidnapped aren’t released. Then there’s more to be done if they aren’t.
- yep lets just kill a few more Palestinians and create more hatred and the next generation of fighters under another name. Sounds like a good plan

 

[Willo]

Here we go again

Yep

Shouldnt but it’s relevant if people want to mention how many are starving.
- Israel controls the Gaza side of that part of the border. Israel has the power to allow people to be fed. Of course even when the food is in Israel those delivering it are not safe

I thought they left the southern area

Good idea
- Glad you agree

No problem there

Yes, it’s in the Palestinians DNA and taught from an early age. 5th generation of victim mentality will do that
- I wonder why? Give them hope and it will change, end the siege and the occupation. Take away hope and people will fight back. They have a victim mentality because they are victims

It’s not hope, it’s the idol they’re taught from birth. They’ve had opportunities and rejected every one of them since 1947

True.
But in the meantime how about they release the innocent kidnapped victims. That’s only prolonging the issue. Israel won’t stop until those people are released. Neither should they or any other country that happened to.
- They should as should israel release the 2500 palestinian hostages they have illegally in their jailsequal the other.

It sounds like you justify their actions. Maybe they could get kidnap another 2,000 to equal the numbers. Make sure they get babies and little kids. One doesn’t equate to the other. What *smile*. Evil is evil. One evil doesn't justify the other.

Hamas could release them anytime they choose. The balls in their court, they started this, they’re prolonging it, they could end it.
- no, Hamas has already offered to release all hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire which was rejected by Israel, that's why the last Qatar led proposal fell apart. They offered temporary only
- They started this phase of the conflict, the real conflict has been going since 1948

Absolute *smile*.
There shouldn’t be any quid pro quo to release the kidnapped victims.
Absolute *smile* again. Israel was invaded the day the declared their state. It’s in the history books for all to see.
And they’ve been attacked ever since. Don’t try to rewrite history. It’s there.

There‘s no way Israel could end anything while its people are still held captive. Nor should they.
-There is no way Palestinians should stop struggling for recognition and their statehood whilst their land is being occupied , nor should they.

I never compared the two. How about you address what I write if you quote my post. Obviously you don’t have an answer so you add whatever you like in. In that case you’ve just justified every atrocity Hamas has done, because ..er those victims all deserved it.
What a load of *smile*

There might be a pause, doubt a ceasefire if the kidnapped aren’t released. Then there’s more to be done if they aren’t.
- yep lets just kill a few more Palestinians and create more hatred and the next generation of fighters under another name. Sounds like a good plan

Here you go again. don’t address the post while quoting it.
We've been through this ad nauseum.

If Hamas hadn’t killed, beheaded, tortured, raped and all the other atrocities the victims no doubt thoroughly deserved while they about dancing and singing at a music festival or just went about their daily lives peacefully in some kibbutz or two Israelwouldnt have bombed the *smile* of Gaza. Even when the 240 or so people fled Israel with their heroic Hamas rescuers, Israel had no right to try to bring them home. Even against their will.
Even when thousands of those bloodthirsty murderous *smile* went and hid among the population , Those bullying Israelis should have left them alone. Just so they could do it all over again.

What the *smile* is wrong with Israel to act or aggrieved?

It’s only because Hamas and other terror armies love killing Jews. Killing them for reward “slay for pay” is an honourable way to make a living. Cash pension and a flat! Who wouldn’t be interested in that?

Why don’t all the Israelis just up and leave the land. Like the majority of PREnders believe. Any atrocity is their ow; fault. Palestinians are the poor aggrieved people who owned all the land from the river to the sea before any Europeans migrated there. Don’t worry about the indigenous Jews who Alan’s lived there. They were there at the generosity of the peace loving Palestinians.

Now get off their land you mob of hooknosed, christ killing, hymie, jewboy, Shylock pricks. The nazis had the right idea what to do with you.

What a sad lot.
You ought to migrate to Punchbowl, Lakemba or Birmingham. You’d all be in your element.
All the little blue “like” lurkers.

 

[Sintiger]

Yep

I thought they left the southern area

No problem there

It’s not hope, it’s the idol they’re taught from birth. They’ve had opportunities and rejected every one of them since 1947

It sounds like you justify their actions. Maybe they could get kidnap another 2,000 to equal the numbers. Make sure they get babies and little kids. One doesn’t equate to the other. What *smile*. Evil is evil. One evil doesn't justify the other.

Absolute *smile*.
There shouldn’t be any quid pro quo to release the kidnapped victims.
Absolute *smile* again. Israel was invaded the day the declared their state. It’s in the history books for all to see.
And they’ve been attacked ever since. Don’t try to rewrite history. It’s there.

I never compared the two. How about you address what I write if you quote my post. Obviously you don’t have an answer so you add whatever you like in. In that case you’ve just justified every atrocity Hamas has done, because ..er those victims all deserved it.
What a load of *smile*

Here you go again. don’t address the post while quoting it.
We've been through this ad nauseum.

If Hamas hadn’t killed, beheaded, tortured, raped and all the other atrocities the victims no doubt thoroughly deserved while they about dancing and singing at a music festival or just went about their daily lives peacefully in some kibbutz or two Israelwouldnt have bombed the *smile* of Gaza. Even when the 240 or so people fled Israel with their heroic Hamas rescuers, Israel had no right to try to bring them home. Even against their will.
Even when thousands of those bloodthirsty murderous *smile* went and hid among the population , Those bullying Israelis should have left them alone. Just so they could do it all over again.

What the *smile* is wrong with Israel to act or aggrieved?

It’s only because Hamas and other terror armies love killing Jews. Killing them for reward “slay for pay” is an honourable way to make a living. Cash pension and a flat! Who wouldn’t be interested in that?

Why don’t all the Israelis just up and leave the land. Like the majority of PREnders believe. Any atrocity is their ow; fault. Palestinians are the poor aggrieved people who owned all the land from the river to the sea before any Europeans migrated there. Don’t worry about the indigenous Jews who Alan’s lived there. They were there at the generosity of the peace loving Palestinians.

Now get off their land you mob of hooknosed, christ killing, hymie, jewboy, Shylock pricks. The nazis had the right idea what to do with you.

What a sad lot.
You ought to migrate to Punchbowl, Lakemba or Birmingham. You’d all be in your element.
All the little blue “like” lurkers.

I’m not going to engage with this anymore Willo.

I answered all your points, you just don’t like the answers.

Stop with the abuse and the faux outrage

And also btw, the intimation that those who do not support what the state of Israel is doing are racists is not only false but deeply offensive.

 

[K3]

One for you Sin, two interviewed ppl talking sense. Hopefully more listen.

 

[Sintiger]

One for you Sin, two interviewed ppl talking sense. Hopefully more listen.

Yep.

The policies and the actions of the state of Israel will bring another generation of war and conflict. Nothing is surer. May not be from a group called Hamas but history will repeat itself until the actual problem is dealt with.

Listen to the Irish, they lived it

 

[Willo]

I’m not going to engage with this anymore Willo.

Your choice

I answered all your points, you just don’t like the answers.

Answered nothing, only made statements that had zero content to what I posted

Stop with the abuse and the faux outrage

What abuse?
No faux outrage at all. Just rescinding some ridiculous statements

And also btw, the intimation that those who do not support what the state of Israel is doing are racists is not only false but deeply offensive.

*smile*.
It’s “not what the state of Israel is doing are racists is not only false but offensive” That’s a cop out. It’s exactly what it is if you paint a whole state/race as being culpable. Which most pro Palestinians posters on here do. Its quite obvious, even when they disguise their antipathy behind weak words.

“It didn’t just start on October 7” is the usual catch cry. No *smile*, but in this instance and the response it did.
Anyone with half a brain cell would acknowledge that fact. No murders, beheading, rapes, maiming, torture and the kidnapping of babies, children, women and men. The deadly response wouldn’t have occurred. Absolute fact. Only anti Israeli/jew racists and complete idiots would argue against that fact.If people find that is offensive, bad luck. It’s a fact.

Read some of the earlier posts. The pro palestinian brigade believe anything terrorist groups inflict on Israel is fair play. There are NO innocent Israeli Jews. Or maybe that should be Jews, anywhere.

Just people should just come out and really say what they mean instead of hiding behind coward words. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Too many don’t have the guts to say exactly what they think. Just post a video clip , “lurky like“ what others say without the mo4al conviction to say what they mean.
Thats not directed at you Sun. Some, but not all.
It is terrible the cost inflicted on innocent civilians. I’ve said that right from the start. The difference is I blame Hamas for the outcome of their RECENT atrocities.
While the pro Palestinians blame Israel for everything that’s happened for anywhere frm toda6 going back 76 years, to hundred plus years ago.

 

[Willo]

One for you Sin, two interviewed ppl talking sense. Hopefully more listen.

We’ll blow me down with a feather. What a surprise that is.
S9 you don’t respond to a terror army murdering, beheading, torturing, raping and maiming over 1200 innocent people. Or kidnapping another 240 innocent babies, women and children? You say oh “ bad luck we can’t do anything about that” So what if it happens again? “No we can’t respond” because people will get offended.

The mention of Hamas being the occupying power was telling. That and the fact no one can call out against their rule.

Both Gazans and Israel live at the will of Hamas.
Of course the cycle perpetuates itself. Israel left Gaza to fend and rule itself. Look what they ended up with.

 

[Willo]

Yep.

The policies and the actions of the state of Israel will bring another generation of war and conflict. Nothing is surer. May not be from a group called Hamas but history will repeat itself until the actual problem is dealt with.

Listen to the Irish, they lived it

Yeah! Nothing that Hamas has done at all. All Israel’s fault. Every time.

 

[Sintiger]

Your choice

Answered nothing, only made statements that had zero content to what I posted

What abuse?
No faux outrage at all. Just rescinding some ridiculous statements

*smile*.
It’s “not what the state of Israel is doing are racists is not only false but offensive” That’s a cop out. It’s exactly what it is if you paint a whole state/race as being culpable. Which most pro Palestinians posters on here do. Its quite obvious, even when they disguise their antipathy behind weak words.

“It didn’t just start on October 7” is the usual catch cry. No *smile*, but in this instance and the response it did.
Anyone with half a brain cell would acknowledge that fact. No murders, beheading, rapes, maiming, torture and the kidnapping of babies, children, women and men. The deadly response wouldn’t have occurred. Absolute fact. Only anti Israeli/jew racists and complete idiots would argue against that fact.If people find that is offensive, bad luck. It’s a fact.

Read some of the earlier posts. The pro palestinian brigade believe anything terrorist groups inflict on Israel is fair play. There are NO innocent Israeli Jews. Or maybe that should be Jews, anywhere.

Just people should just come out and really say what they mean instead of hiding behind coward words. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Too many don’t have the guts to say exactly what they think. Just post a video clip , “lurky like“ what others say without the mo4al conviction to say what they mean.
Thats not directed at you Sun. Some, but not all.
It is terrible the cost inflicted on innocent civilians. I’ve said that right from the start. The difference is I blame Hamas for the outcome of their RECENT atrocities.
While the pro Palestinians blame Israel for everything that’s happened for anywhere frm toda6 going back 76 years, to hundred plus years ago.

This is so deeply wrong

I explained to you before that I never use the term Jews, only Israel or the state of Israel. That is because I don’t blame a race or a religion. There is no doubt that you have posted way more racist things about Arabs than I ever have about any Jewish people.

You are belittling, abusing and misrepresenting in that post and I would request that you stop doing so.

If you had a shred of decency you would apologise.

Yeah! Nothing that Hamas has done at all. All Israel’s fault. Every time.

You don’t understand nuance do you? Your mind is totally linear, it is black or white and there is no grey.
Accepting that some of the acts of Hamas are abhorrent does not also mean that the acts that cause Hamas to exist are suddenly acceptable . The acts and policies of the state of Israel created Hamas, there is zero doubt that without the persecution and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel Hamas would not exist.
If they continue with those policies and acts then another such group will emerge, there is nothing surer.
You then make the leap that if someone believes all that they then absolve Hamas from every atrocity they have committed or every mistake they have made. That is not true and has never been the position of one pro- Palestinian poster that I have seen on this site.
You simply cannot understand this despite having it pointed out to you multiple times, over and over again.
The conflict will never be solved by an Israeli invasion of Gaza, nor will it be solved by the actions of Hamas on October 7. The solution can only come when all parties understand that the actual problem has to be solved not the symptoms of the problem.

 

[TigerMasochist]

The solution can only come when all parties understand that the actual problem has to be solved not the symptoms of the problem.

Oooh! Oooooh! Oooooohhhh! I know the answer to this problem Mr Kotter. The answer is simple, eradicate the humans = problem solved.

 

[Willo]

This is so deeply wrong

I explained to you before that I never use the term Jews, only Israel or the state of Israel.

I think you should have another read. I didn’t accuse you of using the term Jews.

That is because I don’t blame a race or a religion. There is no doubt that you have posted way more racist things about Arabs than I ever have about any Jewish people.

More racist? Give me an example of me posting racist things about arabs

You are belittling, abusing and misrepresenting in that post and I would request that you stop doing so.

No I’m not. I’m speaking my mind.
Show me where I’m incorrect, where I’ve belittled anyone, abused anyone or misrepresented anyone.
I request tha5 people stop blaming Israel for everything that has happened in the last six months and that they direct their outrage at the real perpetrators of that atrocity.

If you had a shred of decency you would apologise.

I’ve plenty of decency and have apologised when I saw the need.
Im waiting for others to apologise for blaming just one side for responding and for wanting to bring the perpetrators to account

You don’t understand nuance do you? Your mind is totally linear, it is black or white and there is no grey.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. Nuance. No say what you mean, don’t hide behind nuance or mincey words. Say what you mean. Believe in what you say.
Nothing wrong with having the strength of your convictions. If you can’t back it up, don’t say it.

Accepting that some of the acts of Hamas are abhorrent does not also mean that the acts that cause Hamas to exist are suddenly acceptable .

What? Is that a question or a statement? You may need to rewrite that so it’s understandable

The acts and policies of the state of Israel created Hamas, there is zero doubt that without the persecution and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel Hamas would not exist.

Most probably so. That doesn’t excuse any terrorist army of massacring and raping innocent civilians. Nor the kidnapping of innocent babies, children women, men. No excuse whatsoever.

If they continue with those policies and acts then another such group will emerge, there is nothing surer.

Thats their mentality, It always has been since day dot. Not just a recent happening but right from the start, it always will be.

You then make the leap that if someone believes all that they then absolve Hamas from every atrocity they have committed or every mistake they have made.

No leap needed

That is not true and has never been the position of one pro- Palestinian poster that I have seen on this site.

Plenty have found Israel to blame for Hamas atrocities. Plenty of posts, you must have missed quite a few of them

You simply cannot understand this despite having it pointed out to you multiple times, over and over again.
The conflict will never be solved by an Israeli invasion of Gaza, nor will it be solved by the actions of Hamas on October 7.

I understand it quite well. October 7 happened. That is a fact. Israel would not contemplate it ever happening again. understandable and a fact also.
A peaceful solution has never been further away than now. If Hamas hadn’t committed those atrocities there may have been room to manoeuvre, especially wit( Israel keen to have other Muslim countries get onboard with the Abraham Accords.Those countries could have exerted some influence on Israel and the PA.
Too late now, thanks to Hamas actions.
How about that for understanding?

The solution can only come when all parties understand that the actual problem has to be solved not the symptoms of the problem.

That so,union is now defunct. Thanks to Hamas and Iran, their masters.
As I have posted before, for all its failures, for so many of the right wing hawks in government, there are others who wanted a different solution.
The willingness to sign the Abraham Accords with other Muslim countries. With Saudi close to signing, others a maybe. Given time all those signatories could have exerted or extended to Israel a hand to find a solution. Whether that be re-elections under the independent eyes of those signatories to ensure a democratic election. To providing peacekeeping forces, aid, building industry support, financial aid etc etc. if the lives of Palestinwere improved! Maybe the victim mentality is diminished and these terror groups don’t get a foothold.

Too late now

 

[Sintiger]

I think you should have another read. I didn’t accuse you of using the term Jews.

More racist? Give me an example of me posting racist things about arabs


No I’m not. I’m speaking my mind.
Show me where I’m incorrect, where I’ve belittled anyone, abused anyone or misrepresented anyone.
I request tha5 people stop blaming Israel for everything that has happened in the last six months and that they direct their outrage at the real perpetrators of that atrocity.

I’ve plenty of decency and have apologised when I saw the need.
Im waiting for others to apologise for blaming just one side for responding and for wanting to bring the perpetrators to account

And there’s nothing wrong with that. Nuance. No say what you mean, don’t hide behind nuance or mincey words. Say what you mean. Believe in what you say.
Nothing wrong with having the strength of your convictions. If you can’t back it up, don’t say it.

What? Is that a question or a statement? You may need to rewrite that so it’s understandable

Most probably so. That doesn’t excuse any terrorist army of massacring and raping innocent civilians. Nor the kidnapping of innocent babies, children women, men. No excuse whatsoever.

Thats their mentality, It always has been since day dot. Not just a recent happening but right from the start, it always will be.

No leap needed

Plenty have found Israel to blame for Hamas atrocities. Plenty of posts, you must have missed quite a few of them

I understand it quite well. October 7 happened. That is a fact. Israel would not contemplate it ever happening again. understandable and a fact also.
A peaceful solution has never been further away than now. If Hamas hadn’t committed those atrocities there may have been room to manoeuvre, especially wit( Israel keen to have other Muslim countries get onboard with the Abraham Accords.Those countries could have exerted some influence on Israel and the PA.
Too late now, thanks to Hamas actions.
How about that for understanding?

That so,union is now defunct. Thanks to Hamas and Iran, their masters.
As I have posted before, for all its failures, for so many of the right wing hawks in government, there are others who wanted a different solution.
The willingness to sign the Abraham Accords with other Muslim countries. With Saudi close to signing, others a maybe. Given time all those signatories could have exerted or extended to Israel a hand to find a solution. Whether that be re-elections under the independent eyes of those signatories to ensure a democratic election. To providing peacekeeping forces, aid, building industry support, financial aid etc etc. if the lives of Palestinwere improved! Maybe the victim mentality is diminished and these terror groups don’t get a foothold.

Too late now

You obviously can’t understand what I wrote. There is an explanation of a way of thinking in there that you have broken up into chunks which is why you can’t understand it. Maybe that way of seeing things is so foreign to you that it doesn’t register.
Your comment about “no leap required” confirms you don’t get it.
You accuse me of not answering the point then do it yourself. My point about not using the term Jews is related to a post I made and a subsequent discussion I have have had with you before. I do that deliberately because there are so many wonderful Jewish people in the world and the state of Israel and Jews are not the same thing. The nation state does not define a whole religious/ethnic grouping especially when so many Jewish people don’t live in Israel.
It is convenient to call people racist if they don’t agree with the state of israel, but the simple reality is that it is not true.

 

[DavidSSS]

The notion that Israel left Gaza to survive on its own is laughable for its ignorance.

Both Gaza and the West Bank are occupied territories. The IDF hold the military power and the Israel government holds the power to control both territories. What is the currency in these occupied territories? It is the Israeli scheckl. Israel controls all imports and exports as Israel forced a customs union on the occupied territories. Israel controls the budgets in the occupied territories.

Just which bit of occupied territories do you not get Willo?

I will also repeat that under international law an occupying power does not have the right to self defence.

Yes, Israel has faced opposition since it was founded - there is a reason for this, a state was declared on land where people were already living. Israel needs to face up to the dispossession of its founding.

But Israel would prefer to kick the can down the road and just occupy more and more territory as the years go by and eventually they want all the Palestinians to leave. I see no reason why the Palestinians should leave.

To say that this all started on October 7 is to say that October 7 had no context, which is just idiocy.

DS

Willo, just about everyone here is distinguishing between Israel and people who are Jewish. Except you. As a retort to those you don't agree with you were the one who used racist terms for Jews - not for Israel, but for Jews. it is you who are trying to make this about Jews and not about the state of Israel. This is a common Zionist strategy but its efficacy wore off decades ago. Israel is an occupying power. Gaza and the West Bank are occupied by the state of Israel, not by the Jewish people. Some of us are capable of seeing the difference.

 

[eZyT]

Why don’t all the Israelis just up and leave the land. Like the majority of PREnders believe. Any atrocity is their ow; fault. Palestinians are the poor aggrieved people who owned all the land from the river to the sea before any Europeans migrated there. Don’t worry about the indigenous Jews who Alan’s lived there. They were there at the generosity of the peace loving Palestinians.

Now get off their land you mob of hooknosed, christ killing, hymie, jewboy, Shylock pricks. The nazis had the right idea what to do with you.

What a sad lot.
You ought to migrate to Punchbowl, Lakemba or Birmingham. You’d all be in your element.
All the little blue “like” lurkers.

perpetuating a really cynical simplistic divisive straw person load of bullcrap that had legs in 2023, but is an utterly morally and logically bankrupt POV now.

dont want thousands of Palestinian kids blown into ragged pieces, so you're anti-semetic?

Jeez.

you should really reflect on that and try to be better I think.

 

[eZyT]

I’m speaking my mind.

that might get a few nods of affirmation from caravans with sky news on,

but it simply has no capital in any reasonable debate im afraid. None.

we all have bullcrap, dark, illogical, cynical, ego-driven, and absurd thoughts, we keep incarcerated,

hopefully until they are reformed, and deserving of freedom

 

[Willo]

perpetuating a really cynical simplistic divisive straw person load of bullcrap that had legs in 2023, but is an utterly morally and logically bankrupt POV now.

Your opinion. Do you just write words for the sake of it?

dont want thousands of Palestinian kids blown into ragged pieces, so you're anti-semetic?

Where did I say that? Show me
You’re either making up stories or telling straight out lies.

Jeez.

Exactly, what a person has to put up with. Such silly replies that have nothing to do with the post that was quoted.
Quoted for what reason? Then just rant about nothing to do with the original post.

you should really reflect on that and try to be better I think.

You should learn to read, contemplate what I posted and take into account what I answered to. Rather than go off on a pontificating little judgement call on others

 

[eZyT]

Your opinion. Do you just write words for the sake of it?

Where did I say that? Show me
You’re either making up stories or telling straight out lies.

Exactly, what a person has to put up with. Such silly replies that have nothing to do with the post that was quoted.
Quoted for what reason? Then just rant about nothing to do with the original post.

You should learn to read, contemplate what I posted and take into account what I answered to. Rather than go off on a pontificating little judgement call on others

ok, ill try and be better

 

[Willo]

that might get a few nods of affirmation from caravans with sky news on,

Oh well good on you for your deprecating opinion

but it simply has no capital in any reasonable debate im afraid. None.

So you say. No need to be afraid if you have the strength of your convictions

we all have bullcrap, dark, illogical, cynical, ego-driven, and absurd thoughts, we keep incarcerated,

Thats true. Some will even hide behind others. Some will debate and give reasons for opposing a pov. Some are two faced weasels.
Some speak their mind honestly. If you have the above it’s no wonder . I’m glad I don’t

hopefully until they are reformed, and deserving of freedom

? Bit nonsensical to reply to.