new equalization plan.

[tigertigertigertiger]

With the AFL ready to hand out more cash to allow every club to compete equally re,footy dept spending,maybe we should put the FTF fund money we were gunna add to footy dept,$1,000,000 straight off our debt,along with the other debt money allocated ,
Then go cap in hand,and cry poor,like the north ,dogs saints ect will do,
If they are gunna give us cash to be able to go to arizona,we would be better paying off our debt some more.

 

[michael roach]

Doesn`t the AFL know that one of these poor destitute clubs that supposedly need help so they can go to Arizona can already afford to go to Arizona?

North Melbourne went to Utah last pre-season and are going again this pre-season.

 

[Streak]

Doesn`t the AFL know that one of these poor destitute clubs that supposedly need help so they can go to Arizona can already afford to go to Arizona?

North Melbourne went to Utah last pre-season and are going again this pre-season.

Yeah, what a joke.

 

[zippadeee]

This is the club that couldn't afford a bus trip to ballarat 3 years ago.

 

[GoodOne]

Yeah pay off the clubs to keep them quiet for another couple of years whilst they continue to engage their master plan of reducing the number of Victorian clubs by creating a bias and unfair competition. And Demetri gives advice on honesty?

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

The handout seems mostly about helping clubs reduce debt, and we are one of the clubs who have asked for money in the last few months

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetrious-level-playing-field-20110922-1kn9a.html

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

The age was a better read, had only read the herald sun one,that doesnt mention debt,or that we have asked for cash.

 

[Sintiger]

The handout seems mostly about helping clubs reduce debt, and we are one of the clubs who have asked for money in the last few months

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetrious-level-playing-field-20110922-1kn9a.html

The old saying is good things come to those who help themselves . The money from the AFL will not pay our debt off but we have done many things to help ourselves already
1. TFTF addresses debt and it also addresses many of things that the AFL wants clubs to do with the money that is given i.e more football spending and better facilities .
2. We have set ourselves up for a very good operating result in 2011 and beyond which will also reduce debt . We have increased membership ,increased sponsorship including a sponsor for the ME bank centre and sold games with the sole aim of helping improve the football club .
3. We will sell further games in the near future to add to the club coffers .

There is no reason why with TFTF , the much better operating results of the club and with the AFL distribution money we can't be debt free in the near future .It may not happen this year but it will in the next 1-2 for sure . What the AFL doesn't like is clubs who wait for the AFL to bail them out and RFC is not doing that .

Within a year or two over a period of about 5 years this club will have redeveloped the whole Punt Road precinct with a new football centre and facilities and redeveloped oval , developed a summer training complex in Craigeburn , paid off its debt of $5 million and significantly increased its football spending .
Once it’s done that’s a major achievement list imo .

 

[Eat the rich]

Can't blame any club for trying to achieve parity with the economic heavyweights of the comp. Considering what the AFL is laying on for GCS/GWS to become immediately competitive, and the ABSOLUTE

WHEEL BARROW of money they are about to deliver to Port just to sustain them, it would be entirely remiss of any club to not grab their piece of the equalization pie. I think half the reason the AFL have

really held out on agreement with the AFLPA, is the unforseen black hole of debt at Alberton, and its ongoing consequences.

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

Can't blame any club for trying to achieve parity with the economic heavyweights of the comp. Considering what the AFL is laying on for GCS/GWS to become immediately competitive, and the ABSOLUTE

WHEEL BARROW of money they are about to deliver to Port just to sustain them, it would be entirely remiss of any club to not grab their piece of the equalization pie. I think half the reason the AFL have

really held out on agreement with the AFLPA, is the unforseen black hole of debt at Alberton, and its ongoing consequences.

Exactly,,,,,

But they persist with creating two new future black holes,in gws,and gc ,but throwing truck loads of cash,and raping of players from established clubs to do it.

In ten years,when the new sides have sucked the afl dry,and the money runs out,from fans who have had a gutful,and fans of GWS,and GC,who have lost interest in there novel,(NEW SIDES),and gone back to there beloved rugby,.

They will then be crawling back to us VIC supporters/members,to pull them back out of the SH1t,by putting bums on seats,.

NRL must be licking their lips watching AFL self destructing,

 

[Lennox Street]

They will then be crawling back to us VIC supporters/members,to pull them back out of the SH1t,by putting bums on seats,.

Bums on seats count for nothing when there are $1b TV deals funding the game and the sponsorship that flows from it. People paying at the gate simply don't count in the grand scheme of things.

NRL must be licking their lips watching AFL self destructing,

NRL have never put a bum on a seat. They consider 10k a blockbuster. They are the very model of how to be successful from TV rights alone.

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

I can see a time when the Vic clubs would consider,breaking away from the afl,and back to VFL,see where that leaves the afl's "smileing"TV rights.

 

[Lennox Street]

I can see a time when the Vic clubs would consider,breaking away from the afl,and back to VFL,see where that leaves the afl's "smileing"TV rights.

Far more likely that the strong Vic clubs (Collingwood, Carlton, Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn) would break way with WCE, Freo, Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane. They'd take the money with them and clubs like Richmond would die the slow death that the old VFA clubs did. We could be reserves for Sydney.

 

[davidrodan]

If they want to make the competition more equal then instead of a lump sum payout why don't they make the stadium deals equal

A lump sum will be gone in a few years, with no guarantee that the club will be successful, and some clubs will again struggle so problem not solved

Give every melbourne club same deal as the Pies then if they cannot compete/draw crowds then they have nothing to complain about
Plus this will give long term sustainability of the melbourne clubs

and Richmond will do well out of this model ;D

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

Bums on seats count for nothing when there are $1b TV deals funding the game and the sponsorship that flows from it. People paying at the gate simply don't count in the grand scheme of things.

NRL have never put a bum on a seat. They consider 10k a blockbuster. They are the very model of how to be successful from TV rights alone.

Bum's on seats in your living room,is still bum's on seats.

Sooner or later,people will turn off their TV's,

 

[Joe Lynn Turnip]

Far more likely that the strong Vic clubs (Collingwood, Carlton, Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn) would break way with WCE, Freo, Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane. They'd take the money with them and clubs like Richmond would die the slow death that the old VFA clubs did. We could be reserves for Sydney.

So you're 100% confident they wouldn't bother including one of the biggest supporter bases in Melbourne in their little scheme are you Vlad Avenue? Oooh....kaaay.... :

 

[Lennox Street]

So you're 100% confident they wouldn't bother including one of the biggest supporter bases in Melbourne in their little scheme are you Vlad Avenue? Oooh....kaaay.... :

Sure. 14th of 17 for revenue. 12th of 17 for supporters http://www.roymorganonlinestore.com/News/1424---Swans,-Magpies-and-Lions-have-most-supporte.aspx. Even if we were included we'd be the poorest team in it and destined to finish down the bottom.

Just bemused at the outpouring of grief at an equalisation plan which will actually helps us.

 

[GoodOne]

Just bemused at the outpouring of grief at an equalisation plan which will actually helps us.

I'm bemused how you can have uneven draws, let Collingwood play all their games at the MCG, give teams with much more resources and money than some struggling Victorian teams much larger salary caps etc etc etc and then come out with some temporary cash handouts and call it an equalisation plan. I guess there's one or two supporters who get fooled by Demetriou's cunningness.

 

[Bill James]

Sure. 14th of 17 for revenue. 12th of 17 for supporters http://www.roymorganonlinestore.com/News/1424---Swans,-Magpies-and-Lions-have-most-supporte.aspx. Even if we were included we'd be the poorest team in it and destined to finish down the bottom.

Just bemused at the outpouring of grief at an equalisation plan which will actually helps us.

Your are a voice of reason Lennox. Prepare to be lonely. This has been obvious for several years. Members of Victorian clubs have a self inflated view of their importance and role in governance of their clubs. The cold hard facts are as you outline them, bums and dollars rule. The only comfort is a correlation with with recent premiership success and bums and dollars. (eg Hawthorn and Collingwood up, Essendon down over the last decade.) Win a premiership improve your position.

Victorian members forget that the net membership revenue to the club is close to zero. They are effectively season ticket holders and the fact the AFL lets them appoint their directors is part of the plan to have some clubs self distruct.

The AFL effectively owns their club because they own all the branding. All the interstate clubs are owned eithe by the AFL or the respective state governements via their football commissions. These clubs have none or a minority of directors appointed by Members. This game and clubs are controlled by the AFL and members of Victorian clubs better learn that quick because some will lose their clubs, nothing surer.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

A fairer draw would help. Remember when you used to play every other club once and then start the cycle again? The only reason they don't do this now is that they have become dependent/obsessed with 'blockbuster' such as the Anzac Day match. It's like if the Pies and the Bombers don't play each other on Anzac Day the world will end, it won't, but it does make the draw anything but fair.