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Movers & sliders
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ZeroGame said:
I think you'll find most defenders have better disposal efficiency than mids. Means absolutely nothing in isolation. Dis efficiency one of the most overrated stats in isolation - where were they, how far were they kicking/handballing, what sort of pressure were they under? Too many unknowns.
Big Cat Lover said:
Would certainly have a lot more relevance against similar type players. FWIW I'd suggest statistically McGuane is no worse than other KPPs in the league on average.
Barnzy said:
No.
Does Deledio play on the KPFs? Like I said, similar players.
The games I have watched this year Luke's disposal overall has been pretty solid.
SCOOP said:
Interesting - also case in point was the Hawks game this year. After already handing a goal to Roughy, Luke got a free 40 metres out. Already incandescant from the previous blue, trepidation overtook me as Luke looked and then baulked and then shuffled and then meandered crab like back to the goal square and then handballed to Newman with two Hawks bearing down (offered Newy a $hit sanga.). Newy really couldn't walk it through, made some space, got his kick away tried to get some distance, ball dropped short, Hawks marked , goal - we lose by three points.
Stats
Luke - effective possession
Newy - Clanger
Leysy Days said:
That would be one of the goals for Cotchin for the second half of the year, get forward of the ball and do some damage on the scoreboard. No doubt he is pushing more inside. That is one thing he has to do with no Foley. With Foley back he can become more of that goal kicking mid that we need.
Stats miss so much. The stat I like most that has come in to play is score involvements.
Interesting perception there Scoop.SCOOP said:
According to pro-stats.com.au McGuane has had 155 disposals this year 72 kicks & 83 handballs, yet he has committed only 37 turnovers with just 7 kicks going direct to the opposition. Would hardly call that terrible with the ball and getting worse.
Leysy Days said:
Yep, Cotch is a really good example, but some players are not. Cotch has become the elite distributor, his occasional pause button before laying it off is great at helping his teamates look good with the footy - even you could've played beside him IPO ;D
Im a Luke fan and reckon his mediocre disposal is made too much of on PRE. But I reckon he has tread water this year, especially in his strongest area- defence. Since the rest of the AFL keeps improving that means he has gone backwards slightly for mine.
Leysy Days said:
Yep, the ability to draw the tackler then release to a teammate is a great skill. Cotchin does it, another who does it is Tambling, a great example was his handball is the 1st quarter to Colllins for a goal, another was to Martin in the 3rd (i think), it allowed Martin to break free and hit a target at CHF, i think to lead to another goal.
But your right, this stuff is unnoticed by many.
Agree with your movers but would maybe add White to that list, has taken some big steps and is now using his pace to great effect. Tambling is not a slider he is just as another poster put it an enigma. He will remain a tiger in my opinion but will always divide opinions.Tigers of Old said:
This may sound stupid but I reckon Deledio is a mover this year. He is much more consistent in his attack on both the body and ball and looks really settled on the half back line. He fast becoming one of the AFL's elite not just lauded by us one eyed supporters but by the competition as a whole. Most impressive is his leadership when the game is on the line.
Tigers of Old said:
Agree. I'd go further and say he's a better mark and more evasive than a lot of name KP backmen, which I reckon is compo for his, (progressively less) clanger kicks. For where our side is at, he's doing his bit, and I reckon there is further improvement.
Brodders17 said:
Tambling had a decent game ILO. Not sure of the criticism of him of last weeks match. There were a couple of nice enough handballs you point out.
But your not seriously comparing him with Cotchin in releasing teammates into space nor in general Handball ability in tight are you?
Its a massive strength of the Chimps, not so with Richie. Miles apart.
