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[RemoteTiger]

Re: no doubt about Victorian weather.....yesterday was a classic

Bill - thanks for your well constructed argument - made for an interesting read - I was particularly interested in your CO2 in the ice caps information as that has been the count that has scared me the most - you explanation allayed those fears.

For your question on Seoul I found these links - the first explains how bad it was - the remaining 2 give a high level overview of what they did to clean it up - which is the consulting expertise I believe they are "exporting" to other large cities in Asia and Europe......Cheers RT


http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200303/kt2003033117244911980.htm

http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/501060515/story.html

http://scenariothinking.org/wiki/in...to_make_Seoul_a_clean_and_green_place_to_live

 

[nitrotiger]

Re: no doubt about Victorian weather.....yesterday was a classic

Crivens!
Mary,Jesus and St Joseph!
Talk about openin a huge bulk carrier full of worms!
My post was originally meant to be a light-hearted look at Wednesdays weather and what it was like at other PREnders residences!
I certainly did not mean to entertain a debate on global warming.....and the like!
Ah well....It goes to show that people are at least aware of the weather and its long term effects........I learnt many,many eons ago that people have themselves to blame at times of meteorological catastrophies and disasters cause they take the weather for granted too much.
Mind you,predicting tsunamis and earthquakes is still a bit tricky.
The climate is so variable that man has to adapt better to his environment.
The Federal,State and local governments have only themselves to blame for the water crisis,cause even blind freddie can see that Australias rainfall as a whole is incredibly variable........just look at weather records dating back 150 years or so........once again....its simply getting infinetly better at managing a finite resource....more water tanks.......and get smarter with using water at home.But thats too easy isnt it./......

 

[Rosy]

Re: no doubt about Victorian weather.....yesterday was a classic

My post was originally meant to be a light-hearted look at Wednesdays weather and what it was like  at other PREnders residences!

It was paradise here nitro. I lit the Coonara. What more could a girl wish for.

Actually it would have been nice if we got some rain with the cold. :'( We had a few spits but mostly strong winds straight from Antarctica. Bliss. Bring on winter. :love

 

[Rosy]

Re: no doubt about Victorian weather.....yesterday was a classic

...something politicians love to use come elction time to woo the 'green' vote....

More power to the green vote if that's what it takes to make people more aware of the need (and responsibility) to look after our environment.

 

[jb03]

Slightly off topic but I've always wondered that if global warming melts all the ice caps, why would water levels increase as ice retracts in volume when it becomes water.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Slightly off topic but I've always wondered that if global warming melts all the ice caps, why would water levels increase as ice retracts in volume when it becomes water.

In layman's terms jim belushi, I believe that many of the glaciers are on land hence they add to the water volume as opposed to that ice which is already in the ocean. Is that clear? Someone might explain it better..

 

[outcast]

I think thats more or less true Too

As for the affect on sea levels it is worrying reading about the possible collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet , if that was to happen it would rise sea levels by 16 feet or more i think..
That would be a few billion dead for starters i would imagine..

Probably won't happen in our lifetimes but it still scary...

 

[skybeau]

Displaced, but surely not dead, outcast...the seas wouldnt suddenly be 16 feet higher, surely...

 

[outcast]

Possibly , i guess it depends on how quick it occurs and how much advance warning there is..

Over on the Weatherzone forums a few people suggested if it does happen it could happen very quickly , ie a few hours..

 

[nitrotiger]

Displaced, but surely not dead, outcast...the seas wouldnt suddenly be 16 feet higher, surely... 

Crickey,thatll stuff up the Grand Prix 500 races and the V8supercar stoushes at Phillip Island woudnt it?
And,as an afterthought,what would it do at the docklands?And its likely St.Kilda,s stuffed too.....have to relocate the red light district(Dammmit)....... :-X

 

[Bill James]

For anyone interested in the extremes of climate change dbate and who want to feel good about the way posters treat one another on PRE:

www.realclimate.org Called "Alarmists" by the otherside, I would call them the Brightsiders, ie each new piece of evidence that something is changing is evidence that everything is changing very quickly. Al Gore uses data from realclimate contributors in his movie.

www.climateaudit.org Called "Denialists" by the otherside, I would call them the Darksiders, ie each new piece of evidence that something is changing can be easily refuted because nothing is actually changing. Climateaudit contributors are stand accused of having worked for energy companies.

 

[jb03]

I think thats more or less true Too

As for the affect on sea levels it is worrying reading about the possible collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet , if that was to happen it would rise sea levels by 16 feet or more i think..
That would be a few billion dead for starters i would imagine..

Probably won't happen in our lifetimes but it still scary...

Cannot see they can possibly estimate how much the sea will rise and Skybeau is right, it will not happen instantaneously (if at all).

If all the glaciers do melt I guess the upside is it will help solve water shortage problems.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

I think thats more or less true Too

As for the affect on sea levels it is worrying reading about the possible collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet , if that was to happen it would rise sea levels by 16 feet or more i think..

That would be a few billion dead for starters i would imagine..

Probably won't happen in our lifetimes but it still scary...

If/when the sea levels rise there would be mass migration to higher ground. How would billions die if sea levels rise slowly? :

If all the glaciers do melt I guess the upside is it will help solve water shortage problems.

Glaciers melt in the sea, how would it solve water shortage problems?

 

[nitrotiger]

It would drown the places that have water shortages.... :-X

 

[AngryAnt]

Cannot see they can possibly estimate how much the sea will rise and Skybeau is right, it will not happen instantaneously (if at all).

You know, maths. They know the volume of the ice-mass, and if that melts, they can calculate the volume of water released into the oceans. They can then estimate rise in sea level.

If all the glaciers do melt I guess the upside is it will help solve water shortage problems.

The problem is not that the world does not have enough water, its that changing weather patterns means it rains less or rains in the wrong places.

 

[jb03]

If all the glaciers do melt I guess the upside is it will help solve water shortage problems.

Glaciers melt in the sea, how would it solve water shortage problems?

Well if the sea were to rise by an the 16 feet all we need to do is "capture' the water from the melting glaciers prior to it melting into the sea. Apparently there will be bucket loads of water to go round.

 

[Liverpool]

If all the glaciers do melt I guess the upside is it will help solve water shortage problems.

Glaciers melt in the sea, how would it solve water shortage problems?

Well if the sea were to rise by an the 16 feet all we need to do is "capture' the water from the melting glaciers prior to it melting into the sea. Apparently there will be bucket loads of water to go round.

The Himalayan ones (see link) go into the rivers, and apparently, the glaciers melting lead to water shortages..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4346211.stm

...yet, the same glaciers are filling-up lakes so much, they could flood towns nearby...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0501_020502_himalaya.html

Backs up what you said mate...if they could capture the excess water from the lakes, or before the water went into rivers/lakes, or even somehow redirect the glaciers melting into man-made dams, then it could solve a future water-shortage in the area for a period anyway.

 

[jb03]

Kind of ironic if it worked, 'globing warming' could solve water shortage problems. ;D

 

[Tigers of Old]

Kind of ironic if it worked, 'globing warming' could solve water shortage problems. ;D

Quality jb. ;D

 

[Liverpool]

Only problem is, once the glaciers melt and are gone...there won't be any excess water, or any water flowing into lakes/rivers at all.

That's when the 'global warming' problem will be a BIG problem to those countries who rely on glaciers melting each year for water.