Melbourne Publiic Transport Infrastructure

[ThePercies]

Can't stand the one sided news report on authorised officers today. Both papers always looking for the negative in something. Disgraceful reporting. They seriously need to do their homework before they spit out such crap. :

 

[tigertim]

Can't stand the one sided news report on authorised officers today. Both papers always looking for the negative in something. Disgraceful reporting. They seriously need to do their homework before they spit out such crap. :

What happened?

 

[Rosy]

Can't stand the one sided news report on authorised officers today. Both papers always looking for the negative in something. Disgraceful reporting. They seriously need to do their homework before they spit out such crap. :

What was actually incorrect about the report Percies? The Ombudsman was satisfied unnecessary force was used. The police allowed the man to continue on his journey. It certainly looked excessive, and potentially dangerous, force was used to hold what the officers themselves describe as a "frail old man".

There's a clip and report on this link tim

 

[tigertim]

What was actually incorrect about the report Percies? The Ombudsman was satisfied unnecessary force was used. The police allowed the man to continue on his journey. It certainly looked excessive, and potentially dangerous, force was used to hold what the officers themselves describe as a "frail old man".

There's a clip and report on this link tim

Thanks Rosy. So I'm not so sure what was wrong with the reporting of this TP?

 

[ThePercies]

Thanks Rosy. So I'm not so sure what was wrong with the reporting of this TP?

There are always two sides to a story. Papers usually dig if there's more to the story than whats printed here. Have they asked the question about what happened on the train before he was removed? Was he abusive? Was he threatening to other passangers? did he tell the conductor to go 'get @#$^&*' ? The authorised officers don't just remove someone like that just for an alcohol offense.

 

[K3]

There are always two sides to a story. Papers usually dig if there's more to the story than whats printed here. Have they asked the question about what happened on the train before he was removed? Was he abusive? Was he threatening to other passangers? did he tell the conductor to go 'get @#$^&*' ? The authorised officers don't just remove someone like that just for an alcohol offense.

I'm afraid they do, and I think it is due to a. The people they hire (ex bouncers, cops, security types) and b. The 'pack' mentality that you can feel when a gang of them walk past. I think the way they have been instructed to work has it's reasons eg, so they can handle a situation involving more than one person, but the same paradigm also leads to what happened to that old man, and has happened many times but missed reporting.

On a side note... I rode to work today, instead of taking the two trains I have been, and made it here 20, or more, minutes quicker than when taking PT! Yay me.

 

[Reservoirtiger]

There are always two sides to a story. Papers usually dig if there's more to the story than whats printed here. Have they asked the question about what happened on the train before he was removed? Was he abusive? Was he threatening to other passangers? did he tell the conductor to go 'get @#$^&*' ? The authorised officers don't just remove someone like that just for an alcohol offense.

The whole problem is they actually do... I've seen it

 

[ThePercies]

quite simply the papers need to report on the full story and not just the parts they hope will sell the paper. Now where is this 62 year old bloke? where are the quotes from him? somebody ask him what he actually did to end up the way he did

 

[AngryAnt]

quite simply the papers need to report on the full story and not just the parts they hope will sell the paper. Now where is this 62 year old bloke? where are the quotes from him? somebody ask him what he actually did to end up the way he did

You didn't actually read the article or view the footage, did you.

 

[Rosy]

quite simply the papers need to report on the full story and not just the parts they hope will sell the paper. Now where is this 62 year old bloke? where are the quotes from him? somebody ask him what he actually did to end up the way he did

Of course there are two sides to a story but it's not as though the bloke was painted as an innocent who was being picked on. It was suggested he was drinking alcohol. There was no suggestion his behaviour didn't need attention of some kind. The article is about the heavy handed tactics of the VLine officers. The Ombudsman criticised them, VLine apologised for it's employees behaviour, the officers chose not to report any abuse to police or take the matter further, he was allowed to continue on his journey.

We don't know what the bloke actually did. Feel free to elaborate. Do you think it justified him being forcibly held face down for so long in that manner? If so why did VLine apologise?

 

[ThePercies]

You didn't actually read the article or view the footage, did you.

had my own person live footage, antman. And yes I did read and view the footage..

 

[KnightersRevenge]

had my own person live footage, antman. And yes I did read and view the footage..

So why the cloak and dagger routine percival? If you know more just say so.

 

[AngryAnt]

had my own person live footage, antman. And yes I did read and view the footage..

In response to the Ombudsman’s draft report V/Line alleged that the passenger had assaulted an officer, however a senior constable who attended the incident said: “None of the V/Line officers stated to me that they had been assaulted and wanted to take the matter further.”

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vline-officers-used-unnecessary-force-on-frail-man-police-ombudsman-20140205-320om.html

Care to comment?

Four of the five officers refused to answer questions from the Ombudsman about the incident on the grounds of self-incrimination. Mr Brouwer reiterated his concerns about witnesses being able to refuse to answer questions on these grounds, and said it "interferes with the effectiveness" of investigations.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vline-officers-used-unnecessary-force-on-frail-man-police-ombudsman-20140205-320om.html


Care to comment?

The reason these guys have no voice is they have chosen not to give evidence. To b!tch and moan about the papers not giving both sides of the story seems a tad rich to me, given the context. Of course you have your own "information" which you choose not to share, a bit like the boys refusing to answer the Ombudsman's questions.

Put up or shut up.

 

[Brodders17]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vline-officers-used-unnecessary-force-on-frail-man-police-ombudsman-20140205-320om.html

Care to comment?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vline-officers-used-unnecessary-force-on-frail-man-police-ombudsman-20140205-320om.html


Care to comment?

The reason these guys have no voice is they have chosen not to give evidence. To b!tch and moan about the papers not giving both sides of the story seems a tad rich to me, given the context. Of course you have your own "information" which you choose not to share, a bit like the boys refusing to answer the Ombudsman's questions.

Put up or shut up.

I imagine TP won't comment in 'relation to on-board matters' for operational reasons.

 

[AngryAnt]

Oh yeah the old "I don't comment on operational matters" line :hihi

I love it when Scott Morrison does this.

 

[Ian4]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/proposed-metro-rail-tunnel-plan-to-shift-west-to-avoid-ripping-up-swanston-st/story-e6frg6n6-1226829857278

Proposed Metro rail tunnel plan to shift west to avoid ripping up Swanston St
by: Matt Johnston, Annika Smethurst and James Campbell |From: Herald Sun |February 18, 2014 12:01AM

PLANS for a 9km rail tunnel that would transform Melbourne’s public transport system are being redrawn to avoid ripping up Swanston Street.
The radical change to the $9-11 billion Metro Rail Capacity project, which is yet to receive State Government funding, could see a new station built for the emerging suburb of Fisherman’s Bend.

But the idea to shift the route to the west, and so avoid Swanston Street disruption, is likely to see plans for a Parkville Station dumped — likely angering those in the area, such as the the University of Melbourne and hospitals, who were hoping for a direct rail link.

It is understood the changes could lower the overall cost of the project, which has no funding support from the Federal Government.

Premier Denis Napthine effectively ruled out the original Metro plan yesterday, saying advice to “cut and fill” a tunnel under Swanston St was not practical.

“Having a massive hole dividing Melbourne would be worse than the Berlin Wall,” he said.

“It would be absolutely detrimental to the operation of Melbourne, to the economy of Melbourne, to the retail sector of Melbourne, to business in Melbourne. It would be an absolute disaster for Melbourne,” the Premier said.

Dr Napthine did not say where the new route was likely to run. But he said Fishermans Bend had enormous capacity for growth and had to be considered within new public transport projects.

“That area needs to be serviced by public transport. There are already plans about light rail and trams, but if we can look at a heavy rail option, that may be advantageous as well,” he said.

The project has already had a name change from Melbourne Metro to the Metro Rail Capacity Project, in a bid to woo the Federal Government on the basis of extra freight-moving capacity.

Transport Minister Terry Mulder said multiple options for the new route, which would provide an alternative to the City Loop, were being assessed.

“You are looking at a minimum of two years’ major disruption down Swanston Street and major disruption at Flinders Street,” he said of the original option.

Mr Mulder said it would be possible to get similar outcomes for passengers by moving the line to the west.

The Government is yet to provide funding for the Metro project, though it has put $50 million in the 2012-13 State Budget for planning work.

Labor has promised $300 million to start building the line if it wins November’s state election.

Opposition transport spokesman Jill Hennessy said Victorians needed more public transport options.

“What is really critical is that we stop having the dithering and the delay, and that this project is actually developed,” she said.

“Should we find ourselves in the situation where there is another proposal that this Government has in fact undertaken, we would of course bring an open mind.”

bit over the top comparing swanston st to the berlin wall i would have thought. if building a tunnel under swanston is not practical, why not build it down william st? not only would that cause less disruption, but the tunnel can connect with flagstaff station instead of melbourne central station. you could also build a station at around the banana alley vaults/eastern end of crown casino to connect up with flinders st station. i just hope they don't scrap parkville station... that would be a massive mistake IMO.

 

[Ian4]

From a lib:
http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/shifting-melbourne-metro-rail-tunnel-west-a-catastrophe-doyle-20140219-33067.html

 

[KnightersRevenge]

The Berlin Wall? Seriously? How about Berlin is a city similar in size to Melbourne with a similar population and a great metro system and they had to build it after being split by the soviets and bombed by everyone, we can't manage it in the most peaceful and prosperous nation on earth? (a little poetic licence)

 

[TigerForce]

The Berlin Wall? Seriously? How about Berlin is a city similar in size to Melbourne with a similar population and a great metro system and they had to build it after being split by the soviets and bombed by everyone, we can't manage it in the most peaceful and prosperous nation on earth? (a little poetic licence)

Well, we do have East Melbourne and West Melbourne.

The Melbourne Wall runs around Spring Street, Macarthur Street and Lansdowne Street. ;D

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I see Dr Napthine is dangling the Melbourne Airport train to try to push popular opinion towards his Pt Melbourne brain fart. Given that the two are not mutually exclusive it will be interesting to see how they argue that the airport link is "only" possible if he is allowed to scupper the Swantson St section.