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Liam McBean
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Jack clearly didnt support him at the time. If he did he would have known how he felt!
Easy to write now and come off looking like you cared at the time.
I think part of Jack's sentiment is that he felt that he failed Liam, and other younger players at the time.
He's not trying to colour it any other way. The culture was not one of support or positivity, and Jack was behaving the way he thought the club expected him to.
Although, Jack did lead the discussion with Benny Gale to remove these sessions and move on from leading teams. As has always been obvious Jack was a driver of the culture that transformed the club.
Just reading that the Swans developed the blood's culture, via leading teams.
Jason Akermanis thought it was workplace bullying.
Leading teams and RFC must have had some kind of principles that they came up.
It does sound like club leaders set the agenda .. McBean was a junior player..jeez not putting head over the footy is week to week basics of footy.
We had the review in 16.
It finally came together for us in 2017. Peggy and Brendan sacking assistants not dimma
Balme & Emma Murray IN
Dimma developed a more relaxed coaching style relaxed, have fun, play to strengths. A bit of caracella ball movement.
Cotch opening up to his vulnerabilities .
To win a flag was so good. To back then up was better.
It’s always a balance.
Play to your players strengths makes a lot of sense.
I’m sure there are some non-negotiable - turning up to training on time, alcohol use in season etc.
Harping on weaknesses only I don’t really think works for very many. Maybe a perfectionist?
Everyone is different and working out how to create an environment where everyone (who wants to) can thrive is the magic sauce. I reckon we did a much better job recruiting those who want to improve too which then fits a more supportive culture.
Leadership at mid 20s is young. Not surprised we had alpha males expecting everyone else to be wired the same way they were and cracking the sads when they weren’t. Imagine delidio was like this - someone who has made footy their life and it’s all pretty serious. Probably hard to have a k-Mac for example thrive if delidio (or Cotchin or Riewoldt) is driving super Grover to do things the same way they do. Kudos to getting this young group to change their style.
Shame McJesus never got to experience that. Clearly had/s the talent. *smile* another who thrived elsewhere.
Play to your players strengths makes a lot of sense.
I’m sure there are some non-negotiable - turning up to training on time, alcohol use in season etc.
Harping on weaknesses only I don’t really think works for very many. Maybe a perfectionist?
Everyone is different and working out how to create an environment where everyone (who wants to) can thrive is the magic sauce. I reckon we did a much better job recruiting those who want to improve too which then fits a more supportive culture.
Leadership at mid 20s is young. Not surprised we had alpha males expecting everyone else to be wired the same way they were and cracking the sads when they weren’t. Imagine delidio was like this - someone who has made footy their life and it’s all pretty serious. Probably hard to have a k-Mac for example thrive if delidio (or Cotchin or Riewoldt) is driving super Grover to do things the same way they do. Kudos to getting this young group to change their style.
Shame McJesus never got to experience that. Clearly had/s the talent. *smile* another who thrived elsewhere.
Everyone has weaknesses, every footy player has too (Dusty excepted (
Belittling someone because of a perceived "weakness" is a flawed logic & can often reinforce/ingrain that perception on the person involved.
We often despaired at Richo's goal kicking, how he sometimes missed goals from dead in front & only a few metres out. He spoke about it in his book, when asked why it was so. He said that when he was a kid he was told that he was a "schit kick" & it played on his mind for the rest of his career. Positive "negative reinforcement".
He also said that when he was snap kicking for goal he didn't have time to think about it & that's why he was better at that aspect.
Not many people thrive under negative criticism. Positive feedback is a far better way to achieve a better outcome. I don't mean mindless positivity, but realistic feedback.
When its all said & done most of us have that little bloke in the back of our mind who just waiting to say " why did you do it that way instead of this way etc etc". The little bugger gives more negative feedback than positive thats for sure. We don't need some outsider helping him.
Good points. There is no doubt there was a massive change at the club following the 2016 season. Growth all round. And Jack did acknowledge he gave terrible feedback he regrets.
Shows you any organisation can change.
I have Jack's book but haven't read it yet. Brutal assessment of MacBean at the time to say he was weak and I don't subscribe to public shaming as a way of getting the best out of people, whether it be in footy or anything else.
However we shouldn't rewrite history because the fact is he was a big man who never played like a big man, he was a flanker in a key forward's body. He was never going to be the crash and bash key forward. That doesn't mean he was weak, that was his skill set.
I watched him play in the SANFL finals and he still plays fundamentally the same way as he always did, the only difference being he is physically a bit bigger and stronger which allows him to be better one on one than he was. He was good in the finals but still drifted in and out of the game.
Not an AFL player imo.
However we shouldn't rewrite history because the fact is he was a big man who never played like a big man, he was a flanker in a key forward's body. He was never going to be the crash and bash key forward. That doesn't mean he was weak, that was his skill set.
I watched him play in the SANFL finals and he still plays fundamentally the same way as he always did, the only difference being he is physically a bit bigger and stronger which allows him to be better one on one than he was. He was good in the finals but still drifted in and out of the game.
Not an AFL player imo.
Behold the great man's latest work - the Tiges are back in the Grand Final!
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SANFL Showreel, PF: Liam McBean highlights
Enjoy Liam McBean's standout SANFL performance for Glenelg
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He really just got to our club a year too early.Behold the great man's latest work - the Tiges are back in the Grand Final!
SANFL Showreel, PF: Liam McBean highlights
Enjoy Liam McBean's standout SANFL performance for Glenelg
Behold the great man's latest work - the Tiges are back in the Grand Final!
SANFL Showreel, PF: Liam McBean highlights
Enjoy Liam McBean's standout SANFL performance for Glenelg
How huge were some of those goals. Love it.
He's carved out an unbelievable SANFL career. Glenelg legend.
4 x League leading goal kicker. 2 x Premiership player (might be 3). Current club captain and captained the SANFL team this year.
Quite the State League career in one of (if not) the strongest league outside AFL.
