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Liam McBean
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Leysy Days said:
I don't think a single poster thought that he didn't have some talent. I was a big backer. But I'll back the 'probs not' part of this post every day of the week.
Sometimes the sum total of difference is simply effort n obeying match instructions.Leysy Days said:
Unfortunately for a lot of " talented " young footballers they neither put in the absolute effort or follow the team playing requirements to succeed at elite level. Plenty of blokes at Tigerland with perhaps less pure talent than a Beanie or Lennon strolling around with premiership medallions. Not sure they all improved out of sight but they put in maximum effort to assist wherever possible.
Agreed.
Castagna, Townser, Lambert, Broad, K Mac, Grimes are not silky players, all had a role and all did their roles to the letter.
Thats why we won the Grand Final, we fielded a team of goers who did their jobs nothing more and played team footy and played for each other thats why we won.
The great Lions triple title side want blessed with silk apart from Akker, Lappin, Black, White, McCrae, and Johnston etc they were a hard side with toughness and presence, they were not pretty they just steam rolled the opposition.
The Scotts, Crazy Vossy, Brownie, Mal Michael, Leppitsch, Alistair Lynch, Clark Keating, Pike, Headland, Hart, Ashcroft, Bradshaw, Copeland, all workers.
Castagna, Townser, Lambert, Broad, K Mac, Grimes are not silky players, all had a role and all did their roles to the letter.
Thats why we won the Grand Final, we fielded a team of goers who did their jobs nothing more and played team footy and played for each other thats why we won.
The great Lions triple title side want blessed with silk apart from Akker, Lappin, Black, White, McCrae, and Johnston etc they were a hard side with toughness and presence, they were not pretty they just steam rolled the opposition.
The Scotts, Crazy Vossy, Brownie, Mal Michael, Leppitsch, Alistair Lynch, Clark Keating, Pike, Headland, Hart, Ashcroft, Bradshaw, Copeland, all workers.
caesar said:
:hihi
Both didnt have the work ethic or the drive to take the final step from an outsiders perspective.
McJesus never looked like a guy trying to play his way out of the VFL side he always looked in cruise mode every time i saw him.
Baron Samedi said:
I’d back this in.
Same as cleve Hughes and bling ...even Rory Hilton amongst others.
talent galore but nothing kills something you enjoy faster than doing it for money or for too long.
I know people on Gold Coast love theme parks until they get a job there.
Another thing with players like McBean... they don’t get the really big $$$ Like dusty so end on a normal wage and it IS LOTS of work and commitment if you’re not on 6 figures.
Or 7 figures if you’re dusty but I think we all agree he ended up justifying it with exclamation marks.., and in bold.
Seriously? Can I please have a snifter off whatever it is you've been sampling.craig said:
No club makes four Grand Finals in a row without having a massive supply of premium quality. The quality needs to be backed up by the work ethic, but geez. There's simply no way known anyone would classify Vossy, Brown, Lynch, Pike, Ashcroft, Michael, Leppa as workers, they had premium quality all over the park n a double handful of good ordinary players to fill gaps with.
Way too kind.lamb22 said:
He may well have not wanted the AFL life but he also didn’t want another part to what it takes to be an AFL player and that’s hard work and physical contact. Big strapping guy who lurked around the packs.
Sometimes he had to get to contests or just create contests and he didn’t have the will to do it.
McBean may have had some application flaws, but those are pretty hard to gauge from outside the club.
I think, like a number of our young attacking players (Brando, Conca, Flossy even Cotchy) he was also hampered by a restrictive and complicated game plan, as flossy said 'over coaching', and critically by the one size fits all approach where players weren't always encouraged to play to their strengths.
I remember commenting at the time that if I was teaching Beanie, I'd be going a little less stick, and a little more carrot, and considering our at the time non functional forward line, we should be finding a way to adjust our plan to maximise strengths rather than expose weaknesses.
In the end, that's actually what we did, just with different strengths. Hardwick's always maintained he prefers more talls in the forward line (Elton this year even), but this year we fortunately had the new level of adaptability to play to our strengths of high pressure smalls and one ruck with great success.
McBean may never have made it. But after reading the Konrad Marshall book, the clearest successes of this year appear to have been reversing the restrictive negativities of previous years. It's only logical that they would also have contributed to poorer development of some players.
Whether or not the new Ethos of 2017 would have been the difference is only ever going to be conjecture. But the fact that both nature and nurture contributed is evident.
I think, like a number of our young attacking players (Brando, Conca, Flossy even Cotchy) he was also hampered by a restrictive and complicated game plan, as flossy said 'over coaching', and critically by the one size fits all approach where players weren't always encouraged to play to their strengths.
I remember commenting at the time that if I was teaching Beanie, I'd be going a little less stick, and a little more carrot, and considering our at the time non functional forward line, we should be finding a way to adjust our plan to maximise strengths rather than expose weaknesses.
In the end, that's actually what we did, just with different strengths. Hardwick's always maintained he prefers more talls in the forward line (Elton this year even), but this year we fortunately had the new level of adaptability to play to our strengths of high pressure smalls and one ruck with great success.
McBean may never have made it. But after reading the Konrad Marshall book, the clearest successes of this year appear to have been reversing the restrictive negativities of previous years. It's only logical that they would also have contributed to poorer development of some players.
Whether or not the new Ethos of 2017 would have been the difference is only ever going to be conjecture. But the fact that both nature and nurture contributed is evident.
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